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RE: where is quad
(02-19-2017 10:58 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 10:14 AM)jarr Wrote:  Some times I think Mick tries to hard to fit a square peg in a round hole. He gets overly obsessive with everyone conforming to the way he wants to play, instead of using the players he has to their strengths.

Quad is a perfect example. If he is in the game against better competition, we should not be running complicated match up zone or man to man defenses. He would be better suited for a simpler defense that can hide his weaknesses. Same thing on offense He can be effective at times in pick and roll plays on offense. He also has a nice touch facing the basket. Unfortunately I don't think he'll ever be the type of player Mick wants him to be.

There's a certain amount of conforming that a team needs to do to mold its leader's will and vision. (Think army heading into battle need to be of one mind. Discipline/obedience is required.)

However the best leaders get their teams to buy into their vision/goal but also learn the strengths and weaknesses of each person under their command and know how to get the most out of them, putting them in a position to use their strengths while finding ways to hide their deficiencies.

This is where Mick needs growth. But he is only 45 and hopefully is learning this.

As a group of fans, let's cheer loudly for Q and show him support and love.

Perhaps we could get the students to cheer "We want Quad!" before they do the Tobler thing.
 
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(02-19-2017 11:22 AM)doss2 Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 10:58 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 10:14 AM)jarr Wrote:  Some times I think Mick tries to hard to fit a square peg in a round hole. He gets overly obsessive with everyone conforming to the way he wants to play, instead of using the players he has to their strengths.

Quad is a perfect example. If he is in the game against better competition, we should not be running complicated match up zone or man to man defenses. He would be better suited for a simpler defense that can hide his weaknesses. Same thing on offense He can be effective at times in pick and roll plays on offense. He also has a nice touch facing the basket. Unfortunately I don't think he'll ever be the type of player Mick wants him to be.

There's a certain amount of conforming that a team needs to do to mold its leader's will and vision. (Think army heading into battle need to be of one mind. Discipline/obedience is required.)

However the best leaders get their teams to buy into their vision/goal but also learn the strengths and weaknesses of each person under their command and know how to get the most out of them, putting them in a position to use their strengths while finding ways to hide their deficiencies.

This is where Mick needs growth. But he is only 45 and hopefully is learning this.

As a group of fans, let's cheer loudly for Q and show him support and love.

Perhaps we could get the students to cheer "We want Quad!" before they do the Tobler thing.

I believe there may be a current or recent student or two that read this board who might take up that charge? It would so awesome for Q to hear the students call his name.

I would also love to see a giant letter Q held up with the big heads in the student section.
 
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(02-19-2017 10:58 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 10:14 AM)jarr Wrote:  Some times I think Mick tries to hard to fit a square peg in a round hole. He gets overly obsessive with everyone conforming to the way he wants to play, instead of using the players he has to their strengths.

Quad is a perfect example. If he is in the game against better competition, we should not be running complicated match up zone or man to man defenses. He would be better suited for a simpler defense that can hide his weaknesses. Same thing on offense He can be effective at times in pick and roll plays on offense. He also has a nice touch facing the basket. Unfortunately I don't think he'll ever be the type of player Mick wants him to be.

There's a certain amount of conforming that a team needs to do to mold its leader's will and vision. (Think army heading into battle need to be of one mind. Discipline/obedience is required.)

However the best leaders get their teams to buy into their vision/goal but also learn the strengths and weaknesses of each person under their command and know how to get the most out of them, putting them in a position to use their strengths while finding ways to hide their deficiencies.

This is where Mick needs growth. But he is only 45 and hopefully is learning this.

As a group of fans, let's cheer loudly for Q and show him support and love.

Thanks, I need to hear this about some older than me every now and then! you know the "only" 45 part.
 
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(02-19-2017 11:44 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 11:22 AM)doss2 Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 10:58 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 10:14 AM)jarr Wrote:  Some times I think Mick tries to hard to fit a square peg in a round hole. He gets overly obsessive with everyone conforming to the way he wants to play, instead of using the players he has to their strengths.

Quad is a perfect example. If he is in the game against better competition, we should not be running complicated match up zone or man to man defenses. He would be better suited for a simpler defense that can hide his weaknesses. Same thing on offense He can be effective at times in pick and roll plays on offense. He also has a nice touch facing the basket. Unfortunately I don't think he'll ever be the type of player Mick wants him to be.

There's a certain amount of conforming that a team needs to do to mold its leader's will and vision. (Think army heading into battle need to be of one mind. Discipline/obedience is required.)

However the best leaders get their teams to buy into their vision/goal but also learn the strengths and weaknesses of each person under their command and know how to get the most out of them, putting them in a position to use their strengths while finding ways to hide their deficiencies.

This is where Mick needs growth. But he is only 45 and hopefully is learning this.

As a group of fans, let's cheer loudly for Q and show him support and love.

Perhaps we could get the students to cheer "We want Quad!" before they do the Tobler thing.

I believe there may be a current or recent student or two that read this board who might take up that charge? It would so awesome for Q to hear the students call his name.

I would also love to see a giant letter Q held up with the big heads in the student section.

Tobler is a walk on. That would be pretty embarrassing for Quad to hear that chant.
 
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I want to preface this by saying I want to see Quad do well, everyone says he's a great kid.

I'd feel differently if Quad was really bad on defense but was a good offensive player. In that case maybe you play him in a basic 2-3 defense or when the other team has a non factor he can guard man to man. But he makes just as many mistakes on offense. He's a one skill player, he's a great shooter for a big guy. I just don't see on this team the adjustments you'd have to make to give him more minutes would be worth it.
 
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(02-19-2017 01:40 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  I want to preface this by saying I want to see Quad do well, everyone says he's a great kid.

I'd feel differently if Quad was really bad on defense but was a good offensive player. In that case maybe you play him in a basic 2-3 defense or when the other team has a non factor he can guard man to man. But he makes just as many mistakes on offense. He's a one skill player, he's a great shooter for a big guy. I just don't see on this team the adjustments you'd have to make to give him more minutes would be worth it.

I agree. Unfortunately for Quad, the numbers don't lie and support what all of our eyes tell us. We are just a worse team when he is in the game. Negative point differential.
 
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(02-19-2017 12:41 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 11:44 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 11:22 AM)doss2 Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 10:58 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 10:14 AM)jarr Wrote:  Some times I think Mick tries to hard to fit a square peg in a round hole. He gets overly obsessive with everyone conforming to the way he wants to play, instead of using the players he has to their strengths.

Quad is a perfect example. If he is in the game against better competition, we should not be running complicated match up zone or man to man defenses. He would be better suited for a simpler defense that can hide his weaknesses. Same thing on offense He can be effective at times in pick and roll plays on offense. He also has a nice touch facing the basket. Unfortunately I don't think he'll ever be the type of player Mick wants him to be.

There's a certain amount of conforming that a team needs to do to mold its leader's will and vision. (Think army heading into battle need to be of one mind. Discipline/obedience is required.)

However the best leaders get their teams to buy into their vision/goal but also learn the strengths and weaknesses of each person under their command and know how to get the most out of them, putting them in a position to use their strengths while finding ways to hide their deficiencies.

This is where Mick needs growth. But he is only 45 and hopefully is learning this.

As a group of fans, let's cheer loudly for Q and show him support and love.

Perhaps we could get the students to cheer "We want Quad!" before they do the Tobler thing.

I believe there may be a current or recent student or two that read this board who might take up that charge? It would so awesome for Q to hear the students call his name.

I would also love to see a giant letter Q held up with the big heads in the student section.

Tobler is a walk on. That would be pretty embarrassing for Quad to hear that chant.

Agree. Chants like that are for walk ons. I'm not sure how Q would feel about that.
 
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Mick need stop putting him in with bench. Quad needs play with at least 3/4 starters at all times. He plays a lot bettrr when he in game with them.
 
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(02-19-2017 03:58 PM)bulldog23 Wrote:  Mick need stop putting him in with bench. Quad needs play with at least 3/4 starters at all times. He plays a lot bettrr when he in game with them.

I agree. I shudder sometimes when mick does a full five substitution. There is a big drop off. Q can give decent minutes but needs starters to stay in with him.
 
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(02-19-2017 07:06 AM)Bcatbog Wrote:  I would transfer if I were him to a lesser program where he could use his last year of eligibility as a star and have some fun.

This. He could average double figures at any MAC school.
 
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(02-20-2017 08:03 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 07:06 AM)Bcatbog Wrote:  I would transfer if I were him to a lesser program where he could use his last year of eligibility as a star and have some fun.

This. He could average double figures at any MAC school.

If he is able to graduate this year and become a grad transfer I can see this happening
 
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If Quad transfers, it will be to some team we play next year and he will go 8-10 from three point range.
 
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(02-18-2017 10:52 PM)ctipton Wrote:  The only time, at least that I can tell, that Quad feels natural is when he is shooting. He is completely lost on defense, and partially lost on offense. I am not a Quad fan, but I feel sorry for him when he is out there for 1-2 minutes, screws something up and is jerked out of the game immediately. He must be as embarrassed as those of us are for him.

Exactly! Well put!
 
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I like that people root for Quad, because he seems to work hard and be a good teammate, but I think people are also overselling his game a bit. He's a big body with a good jump shot...that's about it. If he had any feel for the game at all he could at least be a dangerous offensive player, but he just doesn't. He's one of the worst defenders I've ever seen at that size. I think he'd have a ton of trouble even defending MAC big guys. He also doesn't really rebound for a guy that big. These are the big reasons why it's so hard to put him on the floor. Even from a rebounding and defensive standpoint you are better off going small than having Quad at the 4 or 5... there's just no reason to play him when that is the case, because his offensive strength is as a stretch 4 but you can get more from a quicker more athletic guy and be better served on defense. If quad could rebound like a guy his size and was at all competent on defense he could be a stretch 4, but he should never be used as a post up kind of player. Let him face up, take open shots and move the ball when they are not there. I think people overrate shooting sometimes. Yea he has that skill and is capable of an offensive outburst if he gets a few good face up looks, but when you don't rebound or defend from the 4/5 position that skill just isn't enough.
 
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(02-18-2017 11:38 PM)crex043 Wrote:  I feel bad for the guy. He got put in the second time today, got a foul almost immediately, and then a media timeout was called and while his team was huddling on the floor he immediately walked to the outside end of the bench, looking completely dejected like he knew he did something wrong, and was there by his lonesome until he finally meandered back to the huddle several seconds later. Obvious confidence issues, and Cronin's brand of basketball isn't clicking for him thus far.

It's a shame. He's got a great shot and has talent. His mental game just isn't anywhere close to where it needs to be. I still appreciate his representation of UC and am glad he's getting an education here.

sometimes, he's a great shot. Many times he shoots an air ball. He has helped UC over the years at certain times. I am glad he's still here but Mick has to wait for certain situations to play him.'
 
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