(02-18-2017 01:10 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 12:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 12:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 12:25 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 12:18 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Used to live in the upper Ohio Valley.

But things have changed. The Utica formation is one of the biggest gas finds ever. Thousands of jobs and E Ohio. WPa, and N WV are no longer economic basket cases. Huge petrochemical complexes are setting up there, like Shell's new cracker plant. The area will be a jr Texas Coast.

Blue collar jobs, largely comprised of transplants, in an area with the NFL, is not a recipe for FBS moveup support in most cases.

Mineral rights have brought in untold wealth to that area. It's one of the reasons that all three state have dramatically swung right politically. TCU built up its program on nat gas rights in Ft Worth, as alumni had an amazing increase in wealth ten years ago.

Does YSU own the mineral rights? If not, you might find that the economic benefits will be concentrated in a few hands. Maybe some extra coin to YSU, but I'll believe it when I see it.

I've worked in Nat Gas related fields for 20 years. People always seem to overstate the impact of production finds. Boom times always lead to overproduction. We will see if this really translates for YSU. Or for Youngstown in a massive manner. I'll believe it when I see it.

Drilling Barnett Shale centered around Ft Worth has been replaced by Utica Shale drilling, as that formation yields so much more valuable nat gas liquids of ethane, propane, bUtaNE and naural gasoline.. Mahoning County where Youngtown lies is sitting on a fortune that was unthinkable even ten years ago.

And just like Alice or Williston, there will be a few local landowners who get significant money. Many will be absentee owners. You will see, at best, a boom in decent paying jobs, but those will largely be blue collar, and much more likely to support the Browns or the Steelers than the football Penguins. Much of the profits will go to the Energy and Drilling and Fracking and Pipeline companies, where the college jobs from this play will be concentrated. Probably more heavily concentrated in Houston than anywhere else.

Sure, its better than nothing for Youngstown, but the Bakken didn't turn Minot State into much, and this play is unlikely to transform YSU into a credible FBS program long term.

Also, energy plays tend to be somewhat temporary.

(02-18-2017 01:20 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Youngstown State fails the money test, big time. Liberty was granted the waiver because of their financial capabilities, and YSU doesn't have the cash to sustain the move, even with Tressel having improved fundraising somewhat.

tOSU will help with their schedule and grease the skids with the NCAA.

(02-18-2017 01:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 01:10 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 12:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 12:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 12:25 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Blue collar jobs, largely comprised of transplants, in an area with the NFL, is not a recipe for FBS moveup support in most cases.

Mineral rights have brought in untold wealth to that area. It's one of the reasons that all three state have dramatically swung right politically. TCU built up its program on nat gas rights in Ft Worth, as alumni had an amazing increase in wealth ten years ago.

Does YSU own the mineral rights? If not, you might find that the economic benefits will be concentrated in a few hands. Maybe some extra coin to YSU, but I'll believe it when I see it.

I've worked in Nat Gas related fields for 20 years. People always seem to overstate the impact of production finds. Boom times always lead to overproduction. We will see if this really translates for YSU. Or for Youngstown in a massive manner. I'll believe it when I see it.

Drilling Barnett Shale centered around Ft Worth has been replaced by Utica Shale drilling, as that formation yields so much more valuable nat gas liquids of ethane, propane, bUtaNE and naural gasoline.. Mahoning County where Youngtown lies is sitting on a fortune that was unthinkable even ten years ago.

And just like Alice or Williston, there will be a few local landowners who get significant money. Many will be absentee owners. You will see, at best, a boom in decent paying jobs, but those will largely be blue collar, and much more likely to support the Browns or the Steelers than the football Penguins. Much of the profits will go to the Energy and Drilling and Fracking and Pipeline companies, where the college jobs from this play will be concentrated. Probably more heavily concentrated in Houston than anywhere else.

Sure, its better than nothing for Youngstown, but the Bakken didn't turn Minot State into much, and this play is unlikely to transform YSU into a credible FBS program long term.

Also, energy plays tend to be somewhat temporary.

First of all, Minot State is not sitting on top of the Bakken, as it starts nearly thirty mIles away. BUT formerly the only viable airport was near it, but Williston will have a new airport soon. UND has benefitted more as the legislature was not tight fisted for six years and approved new UND complexes for medicine and engineering. The Permian in Texas is getting big time investments again because modern technology has revealed how to get its massive reserves out. But Houston benefits more, because they process it all. Pittsburgh and down the Ohio to Parkersburg, WV will be a new Houston-Beaumont-Corpus Christi petrochemical complex, smaller of course.

Williston St , a JC, offers free tuition to all residents of its county and nearby ones, as they have been given so much donations from lease holders. They also started hockey and quickly became nat JC champs because they were so flush. Williston is a profoundly civic minded and giving place, so not sure that would happen at other locales.

(02-18-2017 01:24 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 01:20 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Youngstown State fails the money test, big time. Liberty was granted the waiver because of their financial capabilities, and YSU doesn't have the cash to sustain the move, even with Tressel having improved fundraising somewhat.

tOSU will help with their schedule and grease the skids with the NCAA.

Ohio State could care less about any other school in Ohio. They only care about themselves. Plus Ohio doesn't need another FBS school. The State already has too many for the population.

(02-18-2017 03:38 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 01:24 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 01:20 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Youngstown State fails the money test, big time. Liberty was granted the waiver because of their financial capabilities, and YSU doesn't have the cash to sustain the move, even with Tressel having improved fundraising somewhat.

tOSU will help with their schedule and grease the skids with the NCAA.

Ohio State could care less about any other school in Ohio. They only care about themselves. Plus Ohio doesn't need another FBS school. The State already has too many for the population.

tOSU actually scheduled YSU recently as an FCS team, which isn't allowed anymore by the Big Ten. Boosters would rather give YSU guarantee games than MAC schools or Cincy as they are still loyal to Tressel. YSU will not be a threat.

(02-18-2017 03:38 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 01:24 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 01:20 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Youngstown State fails the money test, big time. Liberty was granted the waiver because of their financial capabilities, and YSU doesn't have the cash to sustain the move, even with Tressel having improved fundraising somewhat.

tOSU will help with their schedule and grease the skids with the NCAA.

Ohio State could care less about any other school in Ohio. They only care about themselves. Plus Ohio doesn't need another FBS school. The State already has too many for the population.

Probably banking on the Tressel connection.

The biggest thing is scheduling the more independents that need games the better it is for a program to move up.
If Idaho would change their mind then the four could guarantee a start up four FBS games a year for a number of years.Add two then it becomes six get to eight you basically have a conference schedule.
I wouldn't worry about the CFP there is no guarantee the P5 will continue to share.
It is just as likely if ten independent programs existed the independent share would increase. Currently a historic program like Army gets shafted along with a good one in BYU. While directional G5 programs get three times the money doesn't seem right.

(02-18-2017 04:06 PM)MJG Wrote:  The biggest thing is scheduling the more independents that need games the better it is for a program to move up.
If Idaho would change their mind then the four could guarantee a start up four FBS games a year for a number of years.Add two then it becomes six get to eight you basically have a conference schedule.
I wouldn't worry about the CFP there is no guarantee the P5 will continue to share.
It is just as likely if ten independent programs existed the independent share would increase. Currently a historic program like Army gets shafted along with a good one in BYU. While directional G5 programs get three times the money doesn't seem right.

One obvious thing: Army and BYU could go to any G5 conference they wanted tomorrow. Liberty, NM St and Idaho have tried, but they cannot secure a conference invitation.

Cheers!

BYU is not going to schedule a bunch of fcs moveups lol why do people make such an off base assumption. ?


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Who said anything about BYU and Army helping these schools.
The only time I mentioned them was in reference to the CFP payouts. I think it's stupid Army and BYU get 300k and both have won national titles. While Middle Eastern State of Hamtramic gets a million.

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(02-18-2017 07:14 PM)MJG Wrote:  Who said anything about BYU and Army helping these schools.
The only time I mentioned them was in reference to the CFP payouts. I think it's stupid Army and BYU get 300k and both have won national titles. While Middle Eastern State of Hamtramic gets a million.

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op mentioned byu as willing to schedule games with all new independents. several other threads do the same stupid thing


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(02-18-2017 07:34 PM)billings Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 07:14 PM)MJG Wrote:  Who said anything about BYU and Army helping these schools.
The only time I mentioned them was in reference to the CFP payouts. I think it's stupid Army and BYU get 300k and both have won national titles. While Middle Eastern State of Hamtramic gets a million.

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op mentioned byu as willing to schedule games with all new independents. several other threads do the same stupid thing


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BYU scheduled games vs SUU and Weber St. As difficult as games are in the late season for BYU to schedule, YSU and JSU would be more challenging and better for their RPI. SUU and Weber are not serious opponents for bowl pickers.

(02-18-2017 10:39 AM)bullet Wrote:  Forever.

Youngstown isn't going to move up without a conference invitation.

And I can't imagine the MAC ever extending an invitation.

(02-18-2017 07:06 PM)billings Wrote:  BYU is not going to schedule a bunch of fcs moveups lol why do people make such an off base assumption. ?

Right. BYU plays home games, and only home games, vs current FCS teams because they only have to pay FCS teams chump change and never have to play a return game.

BYU wouldn't even play at Idaho when they had a football scheduling agreement with the old WAC.

(02-18-2017 12:32 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The Birmingham to Atlanta corridor is destined for growth, though it hasn't happened for Gadsden yet. Shocked that Talledega Speedway was in such a podunk town.. If that can be built up, JSU FBS will be easy in comparison.

Tom spout a lot of info but it is deceptive. While calhoun county maybe declining in population it isnt from the anniston oxford or jacksonville area. It is growing at a fair clip. Gadsden too is seeing a fair amount of growth lately.
The talledega speedway is only in talledega by name. It is actually located a fair distance from talledega proper. Its actually located off I-20 in rural talledega county. Oxford benefits from it far more than does talladega. 20 yrs ago tom would be correct about the area but in the last 20 yrs it has seen nothing but growth.

Also Id like to say that I drive to tuscaloosa every 2 wks and auburn every monday they are both more than two hours away. Furthermore Im sure it would take more than 2 hrs to reach ga tech but I havent driven there lately so Ill give him that one. But my guess is two hours would be pushing it.
However regardless of how close they are we donot and will not recruit against them. The teams we recruit against are sbc and cusa teams and we do very well. As far as fbs transfers goes we get no more than the other local schools do.

I think most of the CAA, MVFC, Big Sky, Southland, Southern and OVC with some Patriot League schools could get a lot of games if they moved to FBS. I know many of them would be considered as part of SoS part. Even some could be counted as a Power football program. Youngstown State, North Dakota State, Eastern Washington, South Dakota State, James Madison, William and Mary, Towson and Jacksonville State could be easily called as a power team by the P5 conferences. Minnesota and NDSU could play each other every year which they have become known to each other. They could even create an OOC rivalry games in football.

(02-18-2017 03:55 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 03:38 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 01:24 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 01:20 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Youngstown State fails the money test, big time. Liberty was granted the waiver because of their financial capabilities, and YSU doesn't have the cash to sustain the move, even with Tressel having improved fundraising somewhat.

tOSU will help with their schedule and grease the skids with the NCAA.

Ohio State could care less about any other school in Ohio. They only care about themselves. Plus Ohio doesn't need another FBS school. The State already has too many for the population.

tOSU actually scheduled YSU recently as an FCS team, which isn't allowed anymore by the Big Ten. Boosters would rather give YSU guarantee games than MAC schools or Cincy as they are still loyal to Tressel. YSU will not be a threat.

The last time OSU played Youngstown State was in 2008. While Tressel was still the coach at OSU. 2008 is not recently.

First let me say I have no idea what JSUs plans are about FBS. The previous administration was full bore FBS. This group doesnt seem to be very excited even stated during the last SBC expansion there was no interest.

JSU has about 900,000 people within 50 miles of campus which should be an able supply of customers for a low level FBS school. If Troy can survive in their area we should be fine with double the amount of people. The adjoining counties are all to have projected growth except Etowah. St Clair county is projected to growth 50.4% in the next 25 years. Calhoun county is also projected to grow.

Enrollment is now headed in a positive direction and lots of physical improvement to the campus.

JSU would need, IMO, to move up with a group to form a conference or at least schedule alliance. Independence might work better than having the stigma of the SunBelt or CUSA brand.

Good article from Va Pilot

http://pilotonline.com/sports/columnist/...e9aaa.html

(02-18-2017 07:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 07:34 PM)billings Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 07:14 PM)MJG Wrote:  Who said anything about BYU and Army helping these schools.
The only time I mentioned them was in reference to the CFP payouts. I think it's stupid Army and BYU get 300k and both have won national titles. While Middle Eastern State of Hamtramic gets a million.

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op mentioned byu as willing to schedule games with all new independents. several other threads do the same stupid thing


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BYU scheduled games vs SUU and Weber St. As difficult as games are in the late season for BYU to schedule, YSU and JSU would be more challenging and better for their RPI. SUU and Weber are not serious opponents for bowl pickers.

home games only and against teams from utah as a favor


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