Well that's unfortunate

I wouldn't expect you three to admit it, because you want to take every opportunity you can to remind everybody you didn't want Tubby as coach, but when you talk about how this team absolutely would have been a tournament team if those two had stayed (and Marshall was still on board at this point), you should at least be able to read between the lines of what Woodson said and realize that he disagreed with you on that or he would not have been looking for another team. That part is not doubtful; it is very definite.

He said he wanted to play in an NCAA tournament. He had the opportunity to stay or go, and he concluded that, even with himself and Marshall on the roster and Tubby as coach, the Tigers did not have a good enough chance of making the dance to warrant his staying another year. That's why he left, in his own words -- he wanted to play in an NCAA tournament. You can try to spin it into something else (and I'm sure you will), but those are his own words.

He might have been disappointed that Tubby took the job on Thursday, and didn't contact him till Monday, or it might not have mattered one bit. Tubby had a meet and greet with the team set up on Friday, and Woodson didn't show up (although Marshall did.) Sounds to me like, in his mind, he was already not a part of the team.

(02-20-2017 10:29 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I wouldn't expect you three to admit it, because you want to take every opportunity you can to remind everybody you didn't want Tubby as coach, but when you talk about how this team absolutely would have been a tournament team if those two had stayed (and Marshall was still on board at this point), you should at least be able to read between the lines of what Woodson said and realize that he disagreed with you on that or he would not have been looking for another team. That part is not doubtful; it is very definite.

He said he wanted to play in an NCAA tournament. He had the opportunity to stay or go, and he concluded that, even with himself and Marshall on the roster and Tubby as coach, the Tigers did not have a good enough chance of making the dance to warrant his staying another year. That's why he left, in his own words -- he wanted to play in an NCAA tournament. You can try to spin it into something else (and I'm sure you will), but those are his own words.

He might have been disappointed that Tubby took the job on Thursday, and didn't contact him till Monday, or it might not have mattered one bit. Tubby had a meet and greet with the team set up on Friday, and Woodson didn't show up (although Marshall did.) Sounds to me like, in his mind, he was already not a part of the team.

Honestly those are the 2 of the pieces this team is missing (Also need a guard who can create)

A shooter and a Big (Although Marshall was soft as butter he is bigger than Chad or Rivers). Woodson could have taken 10 Minutes from the Lawsons and 7 Minutes from Crawford but he really wouldn't have helped at the point.

I think this team is 4-5 wins better with those 2 but you never know.

(02-20-2017 10:36 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 10:29 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I wouldn't expect you three to admit it, because you want to take every opportunity you can to remind everybody you didn't want Tubby as coach, but when you talk about how this team absolutely would have been a tournament team if those two had stayed (and Marshall was still on board at this point), you should at least be able to read between the lines of what Woodson said and realize that he disagreed with you on that or he would not have been looking for another team. That part is not doubtful; it is very definite.

He said he wanted to play in an NCAA tournament. He had the opportunity to stay or go, and he concluded that, even with himself and Marshall on the roster and Tubby as coach, the Tigers did not have a good enough chance of making the dance to warrant his staying another year. That's why he left, in his own words -- he wanted to play in an NCAA tournament. You can try to spin it into something else (and I'm sure you will), but those are his own words.

He might have been disappointed that Tubby took the job on Thursday, and didn't contact him till Monday, or it might not have mattered one bit. Tubby had a meet and greet with the team set up on Friday, and Woodson didn't show up (although Marshall did.) Sounds to me like, in his mind, he was already not a part of the team.

Honestly those are the 2 of the pieces this team is missing (Also need a guard who can create)

A shooter and a Big (Although Marshall was soft as butter he is bigger than Chad or Rivers). Woodson could have taken 10 Minutes from the Lawsons and 7 Minutes from Crawford but he really wouldn't have helped at the point.

I think this team is 4-5 wins better with those 2 but you never know.

I would have gambled on Butler, better odds.

Until Memphis shows it can pretty much guarantee that it can get in the tournament it will be difficult to recruit them. Especially kids who only have a year or two, they want to be able to tell people that they played in the tournament.

(02-20-2017 10:36 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 10:29 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I wouldn't expect you three to admit it, because you want to take every opportunity you can to remind everybody you didn't want Tubby as coach, but when you talk about how this team absolutely would have been a tournament team if those two had stayed (and Marshall was still on board at this point), you should at least be able to read between the lines of what Woodson said and realize that he disagreed with you on that or he would not have been looking for another team. That part is not doubtful; it is very definite.

He said he wanted to play in an NCAA tournament. He had the opportunity to stay or go, and he concluded that, even with himself and Marshall on the roster and Tubby as coach, the Tigers did not have a good enough chance of making the dance to warrant his staying another year. That's why he left, in his own words -- he wanted to play in an NCAA tournament. You can try to spin it into something else (and I'm sure you will), but those are his own words.

He might have been disappointed that Tubby took the job on Thursday, and didn't contact him till Monday, or it might not have mattered one bit. Tubby had a meet and greet with the team set up on Friday, and Woodson didn't show up (although Marshall did.) Sounds to me like, in his mind, he was already not a part of the team.

Honestly those are the 2 of the pieces this team is missing (Also need a guard who can create)

A shooter and a Big (Although Marshall was soft as butter he is bigger than Chad or Rivers). Woodson could have taken 10 Minutes from the Lawsons and 7 Minutes from Crawford but he really wouldn't have helped at the point.

I think this team is 4-5 wins better with those 2 but you never know.

Yeah, the three pieces we need are a big, a shooter, and a PG. If we had any one of those we would've been better, and with two or three, even better than that. We almost certainly would've won more games. My point is that Woodson pretty clearly didn't think Memphis was a lock for a spot in the dance while some on here continue to insist we would have been -- from the comfort of their living room recliners -- and that nothing about his actions indicated he was considering staying. He was considering where he was going, not if, and by Monday he had already made his choice.

(02-20-2017 10:53 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 10:36 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 10:29 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I wouldn't expect you three to admit it, because you want to take every opportunity you can to remind everybody you didn't want Tubby as coach, but when you talk about how this team absolutely would have been a tournament team if those two had stayed (and Marshall was still on board at this point), you should at least be able to read between the lines of what Woodson said and realize that he disagreed with you on that or he would not have been looking for another team. That part is not doubtful; it is very definite.

He said he wanted to play in an NCAA tournament. He had the opportunity to stay or go, and he concluded that, even with himself and Marshall on the roster and Tubby as coach, the Tigers did not have a good enough chance of making the dance to warrant his staying another year. That's why he left, in his own words -- he wanted to play in an NCAA tournament. You can try to spin it into something else (and I'm sure you will), but those are his own words.

He might have been disappointed that Tubby took the job on Thursday, and didn't contact him till Monday, or it might not have mattered one bit. Tubby had a meet and greet with the team set up on Friday, and Woodson didn't show up (although Marshall did.) Sounds to me like, in his mind, he was already not a part of the team.

Honestly those are the 2 of the pieces this team is missing (Also need a guard who can create)

A shooter and a Big (Although Marshall was soft as butter he is bigger than Chad or Rivers). Woodson could have taken 10 Minutes from the Lawsons and 7 Minutes from Crawford but he really wouldn't have helped at the point.

I think this team is 4-5 wins better with those 2 but you never know.

I would have gambled on Butler, better odds.

Until Memphis shows it can pretty much guarantee that it can get in the tournament it will be difficult to recruit them. Especially kids who only have a year or two, they want to be able to tell people that they played in the tournament.

You're right and right now Memphis is not a good bet to get to the NIT much less the one that counts.

Tournament history doesn't mean **** it's the immediate future that counts for current players. What was happening 8-10 years ago doesn't affect them.

Tubby's got a lot of work to do and I'm not convinced he and his staff as up to the task. Just getting into the NCAA tournament is a tall order for this program and that won't really make most of the fan base happy.

Tubby is simply not dynamic enough to make it work here. This isn't Minnesota where they are thrilled to just get in and lose in the first weekend.

(02-20-2017 11:19 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 10:53 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 10:36 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 10:29 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I wouldn't expect you three to admit it, because you want to take every opportunity you can to remind everybody you didn't want Tubby as coach, but when you talk about how this team absolutely would have been a tournament team if those two had stayed (and Marshall was still on board at this point), you should at least be able to read between the lines of what Woodson said and realize that he disagreed with you on that or he would not have been looking for another team. That part is not doubtful; it is very definite.

He said he wanted to play in an NCAA tournament. He had the opportunity to stay or go, and he concluded that, even with himself and Marshall on the roster and Tubby as coach, the Tigers did not have a good enough chance of making the dance to warrant his staying another year. That's why he left, in his own words -- he wanted to play in an NCAA tournament. You can try to spin it into something else (and I'm sure you will), but those are his own words.

He might have been disappointed that Tubby took the job on Thursday, and didn't contact him till Monday, or it might not have mattered one bit. Tubby had a meet and greet with the team set up on Friday, and Woodson didn't show up (although Marshall did.) Sounds to me like, in his mind, he was already not a part of the team.

Honestly those are the 2 of the pieces this team is missing (Also need a guard who can create)

A shooter and a Big (Although Marshall was soft as butter he is bigger than Chad or Rivers). Woodson could have taken 10 Minutes from the Lawsons and 7 Minutes from Crawford but he really wouldn't have helped at the point.

I think this team is 4-5 wins better with those 2 but you never know.

I would have gambled on Butler, better odds.

Until Memphis shows it can pretty much guarantee that it can get in the tournament it will be difficult to recruit them. Especially kids who only have a year or two, they want to be able to tell people that they played in the tournament.

You're right and right now Memphis is not a good bet to get to the NIT much less the one that counts.

Tournament history doesn't mean **** it's the immediate future that counts for current players. What was happening 8-10 years ago doesn't affect them.

Tubby's got a lot of work to do and I'm not convinced he and his staff as up to the task. Just getting into the NCAA tournament is a tall order for this program and that won't really make most of the fan base happy.

Tubby is simply not dynamic enough to make it work here. This isn't Minnesota where they are thrilled to just get in and lose in the first weekend.

I would take getting into the tourney and a win as a start. It will be going on 3 seasons after this one that we won't be in the tourney and we won't have gone past the first weekend in 8 years now. It'll basically be a decade before we are even close to sniffing a sweet 16. That's losing almost a generation of fans.

(02-20-2017 05:55 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 05:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 05:00 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  April 14, 2016 - Memphis announced the hiring of Tubby Smith as the program's 18th head coach on Thursday afternoon

Apr 15, 2016 - New University of Memphis head basketball coach Tubby Smith meets the media...But soon-to-be Memphis graduate Avery Woodson told The Commercial Appeal this morning that Smith hasn't reached out to him -- at least not yet.

April 18, 2016 - Butler has landed a coveted — and needed — graduate transfer. Memphis' Avery Woodson

August 1, 2016 - February 20, 2016: University of Memphis forward Nick Marshall left...


FACTS
REALTALK
NEXT
*drops mic*

Looks to me like you're doing the running, amigo.

Of course it does to you - in your world 16 wins is more than 17 wins and an overall losing record means winning.

No doubt, you running hard in this thread.

I'm amazed a message board genius like yourself doesn't understand how to comp season records though. Do you just not get the 1-game difference, or are you so desperate to cling to that script?

(02-20-2017 10:29 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I wouldn't expect you three to admit it, because you want to take every opportunity you can to remind everybody you didn't want Tubby as coach, but when you talk about how this team absolutely would have been a tournament team if those two had stayed (and Marshall was still on board at this point), you should at least be able to read between the lines of what Woodson said and realize that he disagreed with you on that or he would not have been looking for another team. That part is not doubtful; it is very definite.

He said he wanted to play in an NCAA tournament. He had the opportunity to stay or go, and he concluded that, even with himself and Marshall on the roster and Tubby as coach, the Tigers did not have a good enough chance of making the dance to warrant his staying another year. That's why he left, in his own words -- he wanted to play in an NCAA tournament. You can try to spin it into something else (and I'm sure you will), but those are his own words.

He might have been disappointed that Tubby took the job on Thursday, and didn't contact him till Monday, or it might not have mattered one bit. Tubby had a meet and greet with the team set up on Friday, and Woodson didn't show up (although Marshall did.) Sounds to me like, in his mind, he was already not a part of the team.

You're right on all of this, of course. Those few with agendas that don't align with the Tigers success (+ their aliases) are just trying to use the rut we're in right now against us.

If anyone was Pastner's boy, it was Avery. And he was still transferring. With or without Pastner. It's ridiculous to think anything was changing that.

LMAO

(02-20-2017 05:00 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  April 14, 2016 - Memphis announced the hiring of Tubby Smith as the program's 18th head coach on Thursday afternoon

Apr 15, 2016 - New University of Memphis head basketball coach Tubby Smith meets the media...But soon-to-be Memphis graduate Avery Woodson told The Commercial Appeal this morning that Smith hasn't reached out to him -- at least not yet.

April 18, 2016 - Butler has landed a coveted — and needed — graduate transfer. Memphis' Avery Woodson

August 1, 2016 - February 20, 2016: University of Memphis forward Nick Marshall left...

(02-21-2017 11:31 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 05:00 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  April 14, 2016 - Memphis announced the hiring of Tubby Smith as the program's 18th head coach on Thursday afternoon

Apr 15, 2016 - New University of Memphis head basketball coach Tubby Smith meets the media...But soon-to-be Memphis graduate Avery Woodson told The Commercial Appeal this morning that Smith hasn't reached out to him -- at least not yet.

April 18, 2016 - Butler has landed a coveted — and needed — graduate transfer. Memphis' Avery Woodson

August 1, 2016 - February 20, 2016: University of Memphis forward Nick Marshall left...

Miami Heat Record 2013-2014 with James Jones 54-28
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Added James Jones Cavaliers Record 2014-2015 53-29

(02-20-2017 10:53 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 10:36 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 10:29 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I wouldn't expect you three to admit it, because you want to take every opportunity you can to remind everybody you didn't want Tubby as coach, but when you talk about how this team absolutely would have been a tournament team if those two had stayed (and Marshall was still on board at this point), you should at least be able to read between the lines of what Woodson said and realize that he disagreed with you on that or he would not have been looking for another team. That part is not doubtful; it is very definite.

He said he wanted to play in an NCAA tournament. He had the opportunity to stay or go, and he concluded that, even with himself and Marshall on the roster and Tubby as coach, the Tigers did not have a good enough chance of making the dance to warrant his staying another year. That's why he left, in his own words -- he wanted to play in an NCAA tournament. You can try to spin it into something else (and I'm sure you will), but those are his own words.

He might have been disappointed that Tubby took the job on Thursday, and didn't contact him till Monday, or it might not have mattered one bit. Tubby had a meet and greet with the team set up on Friday, and Woodson didn't show up (although Marshall did.) Sounds to me like, in his mind, he was already not a part of the team.

Honestly those are the 2 of the pieces this team is missing (Also need a guard who can create)

A shooter and a Big (Although Marshall was soft as butter he is bigger than Chad or Rivers). Woodson could have taken 10 Minutes from the Lawsons and 7 Minutes from Crawford but he really wouldn't have helped at the point.

I think this team is 4-5 wins better with those 2 but you never know.

I would have gambled on Butler, better odds.

Until Memphis shows it can pretty much guarantee that it can get in the tournament it will be difficult to recruit them. Especially kids who only have a year or two, they want to be able to tell people that they played in the tournament.

No doubt...If he wanted to be on a tourney team Butler was the better choice.

If he wanted to be a key component Memphis was the better choice...I can respect a kid who will take a lesser role to win.

(02-21-2017 11:31 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 05:00 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  April 14, 2016 - Memphis announced the hiring of Tubby Smith as the program's 18th head coach on Thursday afternoon

Apr 15, 2016 - New University of Memphis head basketball coach Tubby Smith meets the media...But soon-to-be Memphis graduate Avery Woodson told The Commercial Appeal this morning that Smith hasn't reached out to him -- at least not yet.

April 18, 2016 - Butler has landed a coveted — and needed — graduate transfer. Memphis' Avery Woodson

August 1, 2016 - February 20, 2016: University of Memphis forward Nick Marshall left...

I'm amazed you guys are so focused on a weekend in April that isn't the Masters.

(02-21-2017 12:16 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I'm amazed you guys are so focused on a weekend in April that isn't the Masters.

65,000 posts? Sounds like we know where your focus is. Wow

(02-21-2017 10:07 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 10:29 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I wouldn't expect you three to admit it, because you want to take every opportunity you can to remind everybody you didn't want Tubby as coach, but when you talk about how this team absolutely would have been a tournament team if those two had stayed (and Marshall was still on board at this point), you should at least be able to read between the lines of what Woodson said and realize that he disagreed with you on that or he would not have been looking for another team. That part is not doubtful; it is very definite.

He said he wanted to play in an NCAA tournament. He had the opportunity to stay or go, and he concluded that, even with himself and Marshall on the roster and Tubby as coach, the Tigers did not have a good enough chance of making the dance to warrant his staying another year. That's why he left, in his own words -- he wanted to play in an NCAA tournament. You can try to spin it into something else (and I'm sure you will), but those are his own words.

He might have been disappointed that Tubby took the job on Thursday, and didn't contact him till Monday, or it might not have mattered one bit. Tubby had a meet and greet with the team set up on Friday, and Woodson didn't show up (although Marshall did.) Sounds to me like, in his mind, he was already not a part of the team.

You're right on all of this, of course. Those few with agendas that don't align with the Tigers success (+ their aliases) are just trying to use the rut we're in right now against us.

If anyone was Pastner's boy, it was Avery. And he was still transferring. With or without Pastner. It's ridiculous to think anything was changing that.

Did you talk to Avery?

(02-21-2017 12:53 PM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 12:16 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I'm amazed you guys are so focused on a weekend in April that isn't the Masters.

65,000 posts? Sounds like we know where your focus is. Wow

we all have goals.

(02-20-2017 02:17 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 02:08 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 01:49 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  When Tubby got the job, he had Nick Marshall and Avery Woodson. He didn't have to recruit, they were on the roster.

Also - can't blame Tubby for Marshall. But would love to have kept Woodson.

As I said, they were on campus the day he was hired.

After that, the buck stops at the top IMO.

I can see how others would see it differently and that's fine.

I just hate the "roster he inherited" excuse for lack of depth when folks conveniently leave out Marshall and Woodson. Add those two on this team and you're talking NCAA bid.

"We've gone over it time and time again."

(02-17-2017 04:52 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 04:47 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  I thought you were going to say an Xs and Os assistant coach

That was what clown shoes needed. He need an X/O coach.

This coach needs a recruiter.

Go figure - it's almost as if the administration hired the exact opposite of the last coach.

Really, dude? You've been overly critical of Tubby since he was hired to replace your man crush on Josh Pastner. Where are all the diehard Tiger fans? This is what's missing from this board. We need real Tiger fans to step up and be accountable.