This is not an NIU problem or a Monty based phenomenon but, rather, appears to be a nationwide epidemic: not confined to NIU. 41% means over nearly 1000 such players or about 3 for each team every two year cycle. NIU is certainly not immune and is not exactly out of the norm for this transfer culture. Many of these players twill play on two, three, four different AAU teams and on sometimes four high schools and then multiple colleges. For mid major kids, transferring "up" is like the one and done guys at the P5 schools. Sports Illustrated called it "up-transferring." One NCAA compliance officer said "the idea of honing your skills at a smaller program and then up-transferring is likened it to a "market correction" —and is becoming more common.

In many ways this has become the American way: If you work at a smaller internet start-up and Google comes calling because of the exemplary work you’ve been doing, you move to Google. College basketball involves college kids, who are notoriously fickle, ever-changing, growing people who want to make their own path.

So many players, even here at NIU, believe they are going to the NBA and think they are better than NIU so want to seek greener pastures at the first opportunity. When they develop such attitudes, they are difficult to coach.

There are many reasons speculated for this onslaught of kids transferring:

Players are dissatisfied with playing time and think they will be utilized in a greater capacity elsewhere.

Kids looking for greater media exposure and a bigger fan base

AAU "coaches" and street agents are in a kid's ear that he can find him bigger and better (as it makes that "coach's" resume look better. An Indianapolis AAU "coach" said "like it's a free-agent market after the Final Four."

Power 5 programs cannibalize G5 programs as a regular part of their recruiting to fill spots when they see talent they missed coming out of h.s.

5th year eligibility for transfers who graduate being able to play immediately encourages kids to explore their options for higher level programs.

Universities and students have lost sight of their core mission. Provide an education which will enable the student to be a productive member of society. It's all about diversity and experience now and not about the outcome.

Several years ago someone at UB got it in their head to nip this in the bud and a retention effort took root. The "Finish in four" got a big push, hoping that getting kids out in four years would raise overall retention rates.

Quote:https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016...h-4-pledge

UB allows incoming students to sign a pledge. The promise to register for classes on time, follow a structured curricular plan and talk with an academic adviser at least once a semester.

They are also given an assessment to help them choose a major and career path as part of the pledge.

Right now about 3/4 of UB students sign the pledge.

Finish in 4 includes the university's promise that students who meet their obligations but do not graduate in four years may finish their degree at the university without paying any more tuition and fees.

The idea was, promise to do all the right things, we will provide you support, and if after doing everything right you still don't graduate in four years then the remaining time is paid for by the university.

Students who don't sign the pledge still get access to all the same services (advising, assessment, and degree path planning), but they won't get a free 5th year if they fail to graduate in 4.

Everything together costs the university about 2.5 million a year.

Since this all started in 2012 the percent of students who graduate on time has went from 35% to 55%. As a school about 75% of students who enroll get a degree withing 6 years.

It's really helped minority students, they've seen a 20% rise in 4 year graduation rates.

Is NIU looking at something like this?

(02-17-2017 10:39 AM)cagy cager Wrote:  This is not an NIU problem or a Monty based phenomenon but, rather, appears to be a nationwide epidemic: not confined to NIU. 41% means over nearly 1000 such players or about 3 for each team every two year cycle.

Oh my bad, is this 41% just student athletes? Yea UB has had a real problem with transfers as of late.

This is why you used to see more midmajors in the tourney 10+ years ago. Today the P5 programs just poach transfers and get away with it. Even ISU who is currently last 4 in has been poached quite a bit (Reggie Lynch & Minnesota, Nic Moore & SMU, etc).

On top of that mid-to-low players are just transferring a lot in general, ever since this social media/technology age exploded.

At first I thought this was a thread regarding all Freshman at NIU.

This number doesn't mean much without context. There are 350+ teams in college basketball. Of those 41%, how many are from good programs? How many are important players like Wilson and Nader were?

I would bet you the good programs hold onto their guys, but I could be wrong.

You would be wrong! Good teams, Power5 conferences have the same problem

(02-18-2017 09:41 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  You would be wrong! Good teams, Power5 conferences have the same problem

Like?

2 years ago, Maryland lost 5 transfers in the same year..... Here is a PARTIAL list from 2016 of the major basketball conference transfers: ANALYZE YOUR BRAINS OUT, 7.........

AAC
Central Florida
G-Brendan Boyle
G/F-Adonys Henriquez (TO ST. LOUIS)

East Carolina
F-Caleb Bryant (TO TAMPA)
PG-Charles Foster (TO KENTUCKY WESLYAN)

Houston
*PG-Ronnie Johnson (TO AUBURN)
*PG-L.J. Rose (VISITING BYU)

Memphis
PG-Randall Broddie
SG-Dante Scott
*G-Avery Woodson (TO BUTLER)

Tulane
G-Tajon Mack
PF-Dylan Osetkowski (TO TEXAS)

UConn
*G-Sam Cassell Jr. (TO IONA)

A10
Duquesne
*PF-LG Gill (TO MARYLAND)

Fordham
PG-Jahshire Hardnett
SG-Jon Severe (TO IONA)

George Washington
C-Matt Cimino (TO AMERICAN)
G-Paul Jorgensen (TO BUTLER)
SF-Anthony Swan

La Salle
SG-Karl Harris (TO INDIAN HILLS CC)
G/F-Dusan Majstorovic (TO MAINE)

St. Bonaventure
C-Jordan Tyson

St. Louis
G-Miles Reynolds (TO PACIFIC)
F-Malik Yarbrough (TO ILLINOIS STATE)

VCU
F-Mike Gilmore
PF-Jonathan Nwankwo
SF-Gerron Scissum

ACC
Boston College
C-Idrissa Diallo (TO UC-RIVERSIDE)
SG-Matt Milon

Duke
PG-Derryck Thornton Jr. (VISITING KANSAS, MIAMI FL, WASHINGTON, USC)

Florida State
SG-Robbie Berwick

Miami FL
SG-James Palmer (TO NEBRASKA)

N.C. State
G/F-Caleb Martin (VISITING CAL, RUTGERS)
G/F-Cody Martin (VISITING CAL, RUTGERS)

Syracuse
PG-Kaleb Joseph (TO CREIGHTON)
*C-Chinoso Obokoh (TO ST. BONAVENTURE)

Virginia Tech
SG-Jalen Hudson (TO FLORIDA)
C-Satchel Paige (TO PENN STATE)

Wake Forest
*C-Andre Washington (TO EAST CAROLINA)
SG-Rondale Watson (TO MARSHALL)

BIG EAST
Butler
PF-Jackson Davis

Creighton
SG-Malik Albert
F-Alex O’Neill (TO ST. CLOUD STATE)
PG-Marlon Stewart (TO NORTH DAKOTA)

DePaul
C-Oumar Barry
PF-Develle Phillips
PF-Fred Scott (TO RIDER)

Providence
*G/F-Junior Lomomba (TO WESTERN KENTUCKY)
C-Quadree Smith

St. John’s
PF-Amar Alibegovic (VISITING IONA)
F-Christian Jones (VISITING IONA)

Xavier
PG-Larry Austin Jr. (VISITING VALPARAISO AND PACIFIC)
PF-Makinde London (TO CHATTANOOGA)

BIG TEN
Iowa
SG-Andrew Fleming
F-Brandon Hutton (TO INDIAN HILLS CC)

Michigan
*PG-Spike Albrecht (TO PURDUE)
F-Kameron Chatman
SG-Aubrey Dawkins (TO UCF)
C-Ricky Doyle (VISITING CREIGHTON, UCF, USC, AND FGCU)

Michigan State
F-Javon Bess (TO AKRON)
F-Marvin Clark (TO ST. JOHN’S)

Minnesota
PG-Kevin Dorsey

Nebraska
G-Bakari Evelyn
C-Jake Hammond

Ohio State
C-Daniel Giddens (TO ALABAMA)
PG-A.J. Harris (CONSIDERING TEXAS TECH AND DAYTON)
F-Mickey Mitchell (TO UC-SANTA BARABARA)

Purdue
SG-Kendall Stephens (VISITING TULANE, SAN DIEGO, NEVADA)
PG-Grant Weatherford

Rutgers
PF-D.J. Foreman (TO ST. LOUIS)
G-Justin Goode

BIG 12
Iowa State
PG-Hallice Cooke (VISITING NEVADA)

MOUNTAIN WEST
Colorado State
*PG-John Gillon (TO SYRACUSE)

Nevada
SG-Eric Cooper Jr. (TO PEPPERDINE)

New Mexico
*PG-Cullen Neal (TO OLE MISS)

UNLV
*PF-Ben Carter (TO MICHIGAN STATE)
SG-Jordan Cornish (CONSIDERING IOWA STATE, BUTLER, PURDUE, AND GRAND CANYON)
PF-Dwayne Morgan (CONSIDERING CLEMSON, MARYLAND, VCU, AND ST. JOHN’S)

Utah State
*PF-Lew Evans (TO TENNESSEE)

PAC 12
Arizona
PG-Justin Simon (TO ST. JOHN’S)

Arizona State
*SF-Savon Goodman (TO LA SALLE)
PG-Andre Spight

Colorado
F-Tre’Shaun Fletcher (CONSIDERING LA TECH, BOISE STATE, NEVADA, PORTLAND STATE, CAL POLY AND CHARLESTON SOUTHERN)
F-Kenan Guzonjic (TO BARRY, DII)

Oregon State
G-Derrick Bruce

USC
*PF-Darion Clark (TO GRAND CANYON)
PF-Malik Martin (TO USF)
G/F-Malik Marquetti (VISITING USF, CAL STATE NORTHRIDGE, AND UL-LAFAYETTE)
*SG-Katin Reinhardt (TO MARQUETTE)

Utah
PF-Chris Reyes (VISITED PEPPERDINE, INTEREST FROM SAN DIEGO AND HAWAII)
PG-Isaiah Wright (VISITING SAN DIEGO)

Washington State
*C-Valentine Izundu (TO SAN DIEGO STATE)
*SG-Que Johnson (TO WESTERN KENTUCKY)
PG-Ny Redding
SG-Renard Suggs

SEC
Alabama
PG-Justin Coleman (TO SAMFORD)
*PF-Michael Kessens (TO FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL)

Arkansas
G/F-Lorenzo Jenkins
G-Jimmy Whitt (TO SMU)

Auburn
G-Zach Allison

Florida
SG-Brandone Francis-Ramirez
*G/F-DeVon Walker

Missouri
PF-D’Angelo Allen
PF-JaKeenan Gant
PG-Tremaine Isabel
SG-Namon Wright (OFFER FROM ARIZONA STATE)

Ole Miss
*PF-Terry Brutus (VISITS TO MANHATTAN AND SAMFORD)

Tennessee
PF-Ray Kasongo (VISITING WASHINGTON STATE, ALSO CONSIDERING USC, UNLV, GEORGETOWN, ST. JOHN’S, SETON HALL)
OTHER NOTABLE OUTGOING COLLEGE BASKETBALL TRANSFERS:
G-Terrell Allen (from Drexel, 9.8 ppg, 3.5 apg as fresh…CONSIDERING VIRGINIA TECH, N.C. STATE, ARKANSAS, GEORGE WASHINGTON)
*SF-Austin Arians (TO WAKE FOREST from Milwaukee, 11.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg as junior)
SG-Canyon Barry (TO FLORIDA from Charleston, 19.7 ppg as junior)
*SF-Paris Bass (from Detroit, 18.4 ppg, 8 rpg as junior)
*SF-Malcolm Bernard (TO RICHMOND from Florida A&M, 14.4 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 4.3 apg as junior)
*SG-Emile Blackman (TO DUQUESNE from Niagara, 15.8 ppg as junior)
PG-Kevin Booze (from Lamar, 9.3 ppg, 4.2 apg as soph)
*SF-Darrell Bowie (TO IOWA STATE, from Northern Illinois 9.8, 5.4 rpg in ‘14-15 as junior)
G-Cane Broome (TO CINCINNATI from Sacred Heart, 23.1 ppg, 4.9 rpg as soph)
*SG-Corban Collins (TO ALABAMA from Morehead State, 11.8 ppg, 43 3-PT% as junior)
*F-Derail Green (TO NORTH TEXAS from Incarnate Word, 11 ppg, 4.3 rpg as soph)
SG-Dayon Griffin (TO UCF from Louisiana Tech, 11.3 ppg, 4.2 rpg as soph)
*G-J.C. Hampton (TO TEXAS A&M from Lipscomb, 15.9 ppg as junior)
G-Troy Harper (from Campbell, 13.5 ppg as soph)
G-Byron Hawkins (from Towson, 13.2 ppg as soph)
SG-Cazmon Hayes (from Delaware, 11.3 ppg, 5.2 rpg as junior)
PG-Kory Holden (TO SOUTH CAROLINA from Delaware, 17.7 ppg, 4.2 apg as soph)
*PF-Merrill Holden (TO IOWA STATE from Louisiana Tech, 8.1 ppg, 5 rpg as junior)
PG-Jordan Johnson (from Milwaukee, 12.5 ppg, 8.1 apg as junior)
*G-Christian Kessee (TO MEMPHIS from Coppin State, 14.6 ppg as junior)
*PF-Anthony Livingston (from Arkansas State, 15.5 ppg, 9.4 rpg as junior… VISITING ST. JOHN’S)
*SG-Troyce Manassa (from Savannah State, 12.4 ppg, 5.1 rpg as junior)
C-Evan Maxwell (from Liberty, 10 ppg, 4.8 rpg as soph… VISITING BAYLOR, CINCINNATI, VIRGINIA TECH)
PF-Elijah Minnie (from Robert Morris, 12 ppg, 6.6 rpg as fresh)
G-Stuckey Mosley (from Toledo, 10.2 ppg, 4 apg, 4.8 rpg as soph)
*SG-Grant Mullins (TO CAL from Colombia, 13.3 ppg as junior)
SF-DeSean Murray (TO AUBURN from Presbyterian, 20.2 ppg, 7.4 rpg as soph)
SG-Kanayo Obi-Rapu (from Longwood, 12 ppg as soph)
*SF-Uche Ofoegbu (from San Francisco, 9.2 ppg, 4.6 rpg as junior… DOWN TO CREIGHTON, GEORGIA TECH, WASHINGTON STATE)
C-Dominik Olejniczak (TO OLE MISS from Drake, 7-footer, 6.5 ppg, 4.1 rpg as fresh)
SG-Vasa Pusica (from San Diego, 8.3 ppg, 4 rpg as soph)
*G/F-Rodney Pryor (TO GEORGETOWN from Robert Morris, 18 ppg, 8 rpg as junior)
F-Matt Rose (TO LIPSCOMB from Samford, 9 ppg, 4.2 rpg as fresh)
PG-Aakim Saintil (from Long Island, 12.6 ppg, 4.7 apg as soph)
SG-Curran Scott (TO TULSA from Charlotte, 10.5 ppg as fresh)
SG-Dylan Smith (TO ARIZONA from UNC-Asheville, 13.5 ppg as fresh)
*PF-LaRon Smith (TO AUBURN from Bethune-Cookman, 7.1 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 3 bpg as junior)
*SG-Akeem Springs (TO MINNESOTA from Milwaukee, 13,2 ppg, 5.3 rpg as junior)
*F-Patrick Steeves (TO GEORGE WASHINGTON from Harvard, 9.1 ppg, 45.8 3-PT% as junior)
G/F-Dwayne Sutton (TO LOUISVILLE from UNC-Asheville, 12 ppg, 7.7 rpg as fresh)
*G-Kellon Thomas (TO IUPUI from Kent State, 12.3 ppg as a junior)
SG-Marques Townes (TO LOYOLA (IL) from Fairleigh Dickinson, 11.5 ppg as soph)
SF-Issac Vann (TO VCU from Maine, 16.4 ppg, 5.8 rpg as fresh)
PG-Devin Watson (TO SAN DIEGO STATE from San Francisco, 20.3 ppg, 4.9 apg as soph)
G-Jontrell Walker (TO BALL STATE from Incarnate Word, 12.6 ppg as soph)
G-Jordan Wilson (from Northern Colorado, 13.2 ppg as junior)

TRANSFERRING IN
AAC
Cincinnati
PF-Kyle Washington (from N.C. State)

South Florida
C-Isaiah Manderson (from Texas Tech, eligible 2nd semster)
PG-Geno Thorpe (from Penn State)

Tulsa
PF-Junior Etou (from Rutgers)

UConn
SF-Terry Larrier (from VCU)

A10
Davidson
PF-Will Magarity (from Boston College)

Dayton
F-Josh Cunningham (from Bradley)

Duquesne
SG-Tarin Smith (from Nebraska)

George Washington
PG-Jaren Sina (from Seton Hall)

La Salle
PF-Demetrius Henry (from South Carolina)
SF-B.J. Johnson (from Syracuse)
PG-Pookie Powell (from Memphis)

Rhode Island
SG-Stanford Robinson (from Indiana)

UMass
SG-Zach Lewis (from Canisius)

ACC
Clemson
PG-Shelton Mitchell (from Alabama)
G-Marcquise Reed (from Robert Morris)
C-Elijah Thomas (from Texas A&M, eligible 2nd semester)

Louisville
SG-Tony Hicks (from Penn)

Miami FL
SG-Rashad Muhammad (from Fresno State)

N.C. State
SG-Torin Dorn (from Charlotte)

Syracuse
C-Paschel Chukwu (from Providence)

Virginia
PF-Austin Nichols (from Memphis)

BIG 12
Baylor
PG-Manu Lecomnte (from Miami FL)

Iowa State
SG-Nick Babb (from Arkansas)

Kansas
C-Dwight Coleby (from Ole Miss)

Oklahoma
SG-Austin Grandstaff (from Ohio State, eligible 2nd semester)

TCU
PG-Alex Robinson (from Texas A&M, eligible 2nd semester)

BIG EAST
Butler
G-Kethan Savage (from George Washington)

Creighton
SG-Marcus Foster (from Kansas State)

Marquette
G-Andrew Rowsey (from UNC-Asheville)

St. John’s
F-Tariq Owens (from Tennessee)

Seton Hall
PG-Jevon Thomas (from Kansas State)

Villanova
F-Eric Paschall (from Fordham)

Xavier
C-RaShid Gaston (from Norfolk State)

BIG TEN
Minnesota
PF-Davonte Fitzgerald (from Texas A&M)
C-Reggie Lynch (from Illinois State)

Nebraska
SG-Anton Gill (from Louisville)

Penn State
G-Terrence Samuel (from UConn)

Rutgers
PG-Nigel Johnson (from Kansas State)

MWC
Fresno State
G/F-Jaron Hopkins (from Colorado)

San Diego State
SG-Montaque Gill-Caesar (from Missouri)
SF-Max Hoetzel (from Indiana)

UNLV
C-Chris Obekpa (from St. John’s)

P12
Arizona State
PG-Shannon Evans (from Buffalo)

USC
SF-Shaqquan Aaron (from Louisville)

Utah
SG-Sedrick Barefield (from SMU, eligible 2nd semester)
PF-David Collette (from Utah State, eligible second semester)

Washington
C-Matthew Atewe (from Auburn)

SEC
Alabama
PG-Avery Johnson Jr. (from Texas A&M)
SF-Nick King (from Memphis)

Arkansas
PF-Dustin Thomas (from Colorado)

Missouri
SF-Jordan Barnett (from Texas, eligible second semester)

Ole Miss
SG-Deandre Burnett (from Miami)

OTHER MARQUEE INCOMING TRANSFERS
PG-Nigel Williams-Goss (TO GONZAGA from Washington)
F-Jonathan Williams III (TO GONZAGA from Missouri)

(02-18-2017 09:41 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  You would be wrong! Good teams, Power5 conferences have the same problem

No. 1 -- Is this simply proof that this generation of "ballers" are more self-absorbed, narcissistic, less team-oriented and deluded? Yes
No. 2 -- Do P5 conferences have the same problem? Yes and no. In terms of numbers the answer to question 1 is the reason it also happens to P5 conference schools. However, the no answer to question 2 is because at the P5 level it's like reshuffling, they gain what they lose. For schools like NIU, the impact is far more noticeable. I agree with 7 that the better schools hold on to their top scorers but may lose the border-line starter / key reserve. The key to 7's point is that the ppg. / rpg. / etc. of transfers from Monty's program are starters and go on to contribute to the next program.
No. 3 -- There has never been a Huskie coach who continually uses "we're young" as an explanation or excuse as often as Monty. dekalb222, you annually forecast players who will leave / should leave / should see diminished playing time the following year; then what does that say about recruiting? Either Monty needs to find better fits, quit turning potential stars -- as you so often label them when coming here -- into disgruntled players, or at the least pick kids he can coach up. Since you've got time to research this, exactly how many players have completed a four-year career here under Monty?
No. 4 -- None of this matters because unfortunately Monty has had his contract needlessly extended on more than one occasion and we're now stuck with him until 2020-21.

Since Monty's been here probably the best players that have left are: Nader- he had many issues and proceeded to get suspended at Iowa St. Springs-this should've never happened I blame Springs and Coach. Wilson- wait and see where he is next year and it will probably let people know why he's not here anymore. This was not a Monty problem. Bowie- he was injured, I'm pretty sure both parties were fine with this move.

(02-20-2017 06:59 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Since Monty's been here probably the best players that have left are: Nader- he had many issues and proceeded to get suspended at Iowa St. Springs-this should've never happened I blame Springs and Coach. Wilson- wait and see where he is next year and it will probably let people know why he's not here anymore. This was not a Monty problem. Bowie- he was injured, I'm pretty sure both parties were fine with this move.

So you are okay with NBA talent leaving?

I'm ok that Nader left.

(02-21-2017 01:12 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  I'm ok that Nader left.

+1

He makes Wilson and Porter look like positive roll models.