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RE: Alright someone explain that mess of a game by supposedly HOF Tubby
(02-17-2017 12:11 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-17-2017 12:07 AM)M1T4 Wrote:  Just don't watch it anymore if Tubby makes you have this much spitefulness

It's not Tubbys program. It's ours. And I will try to help keep it prominent for as long as I can. Tubby was hired as a place holder. That's all he is and doing.

You act like he is running it into the ground
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RE: Alright someone explain that mess of a game by supposedly HOF Tubby
(02-17-2017 12:04 AM)Blackman Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 11:30 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  I really miss watching a team that runs anything resembling an offense. After surviving Pastner I was happy at the beginning of the season to see much better ball movement, but by December this team regressed. No ball movement, just dribbling for 25 seconds and chucking up some crap. Not much movement off the ball. I just don't understand how a Hall of Fame candidate coach doesn't have some go to offensive plays he can call up when we go in these scoring droughts. We don't go through droughts because we miss shots, but because we take horrible, last second shots. Tubby is definitely mailing it in, falls asleep during the games, never calls time outs, doesn't get his guys fired up. The only thing we can hope for is he's just mailing it in this season rather than his final coaching stop here at Memphis.

This team didnt suddenly regress....opponents figured out that if you pack the paint and take Dedric out of the game, no one else on the team can consistently make enough plays or hit enough shots to win.

I don't care what "plays" you run, if the defense has 5 guys with a foot in the paint to stop all drives and the athletes to recover to challenge mediocre shooting, this is what you will see.

If you don't attempt to move the ball in a half court set it's very easy to defend. If guys are still doing what they did in game 2 on offense, that's coaching my friend
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RE: Alright someone explain that mess of a game by supposedly HOF Tubby
(02-17-2017 12:13 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-17-2017 12:04 AM)Blackman Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 11:30 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  I really miss watching a team that runs anything resembling an offense. After surviving Pastner I was happy at the beginning of the season to see much better ball movement, but by December this team regressed. No ball movement, just dribbling for 25 seconds and chucking up some crap. Not much movement off the ball. I just don't understand how a Hall of Fame candidate coach doesn't have some go to offensive plays he can call up when we go in these scoring droughts. We don't go through droughts because we miss shots, but because we take horrible, last second shots. Tubby is definitely mailing it in, falls asleep during the games, never calls time outs, doesn't get his guys fired up. The only thing we can hope for is he's just mailing it in this season rather than his final coaching stop here at Memphis.

This team didnt suddenly regress....opponents figured out that if you pack the paint and take Dedric out of the game, no one else on the team can consistently make enough plays or hit enough shots to win.

I don't care what "plays" you run, if the defense has 5 guys with a foot in the paint to stop all drives and the athletes to recover to challenge mediocre shooting, this is what you will see.

If you don't attempt to move the ball in a half court set it's very easy to defend. If guys are still doing what they did in game 2 on offense, that's coaching my friend

Our sets actually work. It's the time it takes for guys to get into it.
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RE: Alright someone explain that mess of a game by supposedly HOF Tubby
(02-17-2017 12:16 AM)M1T4 Wrote:  
(02-17-2017 12:13 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-17-2017 12:04 AM)Blackman Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 11:30 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  I really miss watching a team that runs anything resembling an offense. After surviving Pastner I was happy at the beginning of the season to see much better ball movement, but by December this team regressed. No ball movement, just dribbling for 25 seconds and chucking up some crap. Not much movement off the ball. I just don't understand how a Hall of Fame candidate coach doesn't have some go to offensive plays he can call up when we go in these scoring droughts. We don't go through droughts because we miss shots, but because we take horrible, last second shots. Tubby is definitely mailing it in, falls asleep during the games, never calls time outs, doesn't get his guys fired up. The only thing we can hope for is he's just mailing it in this season rather than his final coaching stop here at Memphis.

This team didnt suddenly regress....opponents figured out that if you pack the paint and take Dedric out of the game, no one else on the team can consistently make enough plays or hit enough shots to win.

I don't care what "plays" you run, if the defense has 5 guys with a foot in the paint to stop all drives and the athletes to recover to challenge mediocre shooting, this is what you will see.

If you don't attempt to move the ball in a half court set it's very easy to defend. If guys are still doing what they did in game 2 on offense, that's coaching my friend

Our sets actually work. It's the time it takes for guys to get into it.

Working is not shooting desperation shots as shot clock expires.
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RE: Alright someone explain that mess of a game by supposedly HOF Tubby
(02-17-2017 12:04 AM)Blackman Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 11:30 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  I really miss watching a team that runs anything resembling an offense. After surviving Pastner I was happy at the beginning of the season to see much better ball movement, but by December this team regressed. No ball movement, just dribbling for 25 seconds and chucking up some crap. Not much movement off the ball. I just don't understand how a Hall of Fame candidate coach doesn't have some go to offensive plays he can call up when we go in these scoring droughts. We don't go through droughts because we miss shots, but because we take horrible, last second shots. Tubby is definitely mailing it in, falls asleep during the games, never calls time outs, doesn't get his guys fired up. The only thing we can hope for is he's just mailing it in this season rather than his final coaching stop here at Memphis.

This team didnt suddenly regress....opponents figured out that if you pack the paint and take Dedric out of the game, no one else on the team can consistently make enough plays or hit enough shots to win.

I don't care what "plays" you run, if the defense has 5 guys with a foot in the paint to stop all drives and the athletes to recover to challenge mediocre shooting, this is what you will see.

Yes, we do not have guards that consistently break down their man off the dribble. Yes, I know teams have watched plenty of tape on us and know that they can sag a little and clog the paint. No, all of this is still not an excuse for our half court offense consistently standing and dribbling out the shot clock while there is little off the ball movement. Lazy excuse for a lazy coaching staff.
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RE: Alright someone explain that mess of a game by supposedly HOF Tubby
(02-17-2017 12:08 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 11:32 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 11:30 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  I really miss watching a team that runs anything resembling an offense. After surviving Pastner I was happy at the beginning of the season to see much better ball movement, but by December this team regressed. No ball movement, just dribbling for 25 seconds and chucking up some crap. Not much movement off the ball. I just don't understand how a Hall of Fame candidate coach doesn't have some go to offensive plays he can call up when we go in these scoring droughts. We don't go through droughts because we miss shots, but because we take horrible, last second shots. Tubby is definitely mailing it in, falls asleep during the games, never calls time outs, doesn't get his guys fired up. The only thing we can hope for is he's just mailing it in this season rather than his final coaching stop here at Memphis.

Its about guard play. Or lack of. Our guys try, they are just not that good. Hopefully they will get better.

Our guards are not all league but they are better than average and average teams are kicking our guards asses. Maybe because we are running same sets as we did in November without ANY adjustments??

Our guards cannot shoot consistently. When they do, we are good, we they don't we are not so good.

It reminds me of a football team running their offense with a decent QB, it works sometimes but just doesn't click and everyone blames the OC for the 'play calling'. But if you have a really good QB running it suddenly the offense coordinator is a genius.
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RE: Alright someone explain that mess of a game by supposedly HOF Tubby
(02-17-2017 12:29 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  
(02-17-2017 12:08 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 11:32 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 11:30 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  I really miss watching a team that runs anything resembling an offense. After surviving Pastner I was happy at the beginning of the season to see much better ball movement, but by December this team regressed. No ball movement, just dribbling for 25 seconds and chucking up some crap. Not much movement off the ball. I just don't understand how a Hall of Fame candidate coach doesn't have some go to offensive plays he can call up when we go in these scoring droughts. We don't go through droughts because we miss shots, but because we take horrible, last second shots. Tubby is definitely mailing it in, falls asleep during the games, never calls time outs, doesn't get his guys fired up. The only thing we can hope for is he's just mailing it in this season rather than his final coaching stop here at Memphis.

Its about guard play. Or lack of. Our guys try, they are just not that good. Hopefully they will get better.

Our guards are not all league but they are better than average and average teams are kicking our guards asses. Maybe because we are running same sets as we did in November without ANY adjustments??

Our guards cannot shoot consistently. When they do, we are good, we they don't we are not so good.

It reminds me of a football team running their offense with a decent QB, it works sometimes but just doesn't click and everyone blames the OC for the 'play calling'. But if you have a really good QB running it suddenly the offense coordinator is a genius.

your Pastner "shots didn't fall" crap won't cut it with either side on this board.
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RE: Alright someone explain that mess of a game by supposedly HOF Tubby
(02-17-2017 12:29 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  
(02-17-2017 12:08 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 11:32 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 11:30 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  I really miss watching a team that runs anything resembling an offense. After surviving Pastner I was happy at the beginning of the season to see much better ball movement, but by December this team regressed. No ball movement, just dribbling for 25 seconds and chucking up some crap. Not much movement off the ball. I just don't understand how a Hall of Fame candidate coach doesn't have some go to offensive plays he can call up when we go in these scoring droughts. We don't go through droughts because we miss shots, but because we take horrible, last second shots. Tubby is definitely mailing it in, falls asleep during the games, never calls time outs, doesn't get his guys fired up. The only thing we can hope for is he's just mailing it in this season rather than his final coaching stop here at Memphis.

Its about guard play. Or lack of. Our guys try, they are just not that good. Hopefully they will get better.

Our guards are not all league but they are better than average and average teams are kicking our guards asses. Maybe because we are running same sets as we did in November without ANY adjustments??

Our guards cannot shoot consistently. When they do, we are good, we they don't we are not so good.

It reminds me of a football team running their offense with a decent QB, it works sometimes but just doesn't click and everyone blames the OC for the 'play calling'. But if you have a really good QB running it suddenly the offense coordinator is a genius.

I'm not sure we watched the same game. We intentionally held the ball too early and it came back to bite us in the ass. The ball was being passed around 30+ feet from the goal for the majority of the shot clock. Once they tried to score, they had very little time and threw up junk.

This was coaching. I have been happy with Tubby for the most part. I know this is a short roster that's missing several key pieces. I just have to call it like it is, and this game was lost due to poor coaching.
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RE: Alright someone explain that mess of a game by supposedly HOF Tubby
Just give him till at least next season for poster's like Penny Lane. See what his product looks like when he has more appropriate pieces at his disposal. If his product looks similar to this years then I guess you can have at him if you like. It just seems asinine to attack him in year 1
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Look at the bright side, you still have great Football.
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at least they covered the spread
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(02-16-2017 11:29 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  You can and will blame the coach but we are just not very good. Our guard play was as bad as it gets at D1. No outside threat which really limits our slashers because teams just pack it in. We we made some outside shots, we built a lead. When we couldn't get outside shots to drop, UCONN won the game. Its really not very complicated. You can talk about time outs, not enough subs, not changing defenses now.

This right here. Tubbs definitely has made some coaching mistakes this season. But that possibly comes with the territory of coaching a team that isn't all his and he's still pressing buttons to see what he has for next season. Regardless, this is not the dumpster fire that Tubbs created.
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(02-16-2017 11:15 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Getting outcoached every game. Blows huge leads. Gives up huge runs.

Martin can NOT run a half court O-yet TS allows him to stand 25 ft from basket and pound dribble EVERY half court possession.

And what's up with Martin talking trash EVERY play but can't back up s***. Bench him. Season over anyway.

Allows horrible shot selection without consequences

Doesn't know when to use a TO.

Zone D gave them lead. He stuck with it.

We shoot with under 3 seconds more than any team I've seen-see Martin above

Randall was hot-when was his last shot?

Effort is NOT there-tired of hearing that BS. Watch the guys make cuts-best indicator of effort. Lazy most nights.

I'm sick of watching the same offense and defense since game one. Not ANY ADJUSTMENTS!

I'm sick of watching this lazy, cocky team.

This is one of my least favorite Tiger Teams and in game coaching staffs I can remember. Why so many stay away.

I really miss the Pastner era. Our badass team and badass coach were a thing of beauty. Our team would go out and execute brilliant game plans with flawless precision.
I just wish tubby could come close to achieving this level of greatness.
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Also, penny lane's posts are brilliant and flawless.
They have such great insight.
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Penny Lane for HC
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(02-16-2017 11:15 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Getting outcoached every game. Blows huge leads. Gives up huge runs.

Martin can NOT run a half court O-yet TS allows him to stand 25 ft from basket and pound dribble EVERY half court possession.

And what's up with Martin talking trash EVERY play but can't back up s***. Bench him. Season over anyway.

Allows horrible shot selection without consequences

Doesn't know when to use a TO.

Zone D gave them lead. He stuck with it.

We shoot with under 3 seconds more than any team I've seen-see Martin above

Randall was hot-when was his last shot?

Effort is NOT there-tired of hearing that BS. Watch the guys make cuts-best indicator of effort. Lazy most nights.

I'm sick of watching the same offense and defense since game one. Not ANY ADJUSTMENTS!

I'm sick of watching this lazy, cocky team.

This is one of my least favorite Tiger Teams and in game coaching staffs I can remember. Why so many stay away.

Then quit watching. You won't be missed.

Your memory isn't very good. Because you don't remember the 4-9 stretch in conference play last season with this talent:


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F 0 Trahson Burrell 6 ft 7 in (2.01 m) 187 lb (85 kg) Sr Albany, New York
F 1 Dedric Lawson 6 ft 9 in (2.06 m) 228 lb (103 kg) Fr Memphis, Tennessee
F 2 Shaq Goodwin 6 ft 9 in (2.06 m) 229 lb (104 kg) Sr Atlanta, Georgia
G 3 Avery Woodson 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m) 189 lb (86 kg) Jr Waynesboro, Mississippi
G 4 Dante Scott (W) 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) 210 lb (95 kg) Fr Smyrna, Georgia
G 5 Markel Crawford 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m) 205 lb (93 kg) RS So Memphis, Tennessee
G 10 Jeremiah Martin 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m) 179 lb (81 kg) Fr Memphis, Tennessee
G 11 Randall Broddie 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) 170 lb (77 kg) Fr Oxon Hill, Maryland
G 12 Craig Randall 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) 173 lb (78 kg) Fr Phoenix, Arizona
G/F 14 K. J. Lawson 6 ft 7 in (2.01 m) 204 lb (93 kg) Fr Memphis, Tennessee
G 15 Kedren Johnson 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) 210 lb (95 kg) Sr Lewisburg, Tennessee
G 20 Ricky Tarrant 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m) 184 lb (83 kg) Sr Pleasant Grove, Alabama
F 30 Nick Marshall 6 ft 11 in (2.11 m) 248 lb (112 kg) Fr Lexington, Tennessee
G 23 Sam Craft (W) 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m) 210 lb (95 kg) Jr Memphis, Tennessee
G/F 32 Caleb Wallingford (W) 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m) 214 lb (97 kg) Sr Elkhorn, Nebraska
G/F 42 Jake McDowell (W) 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m) 210 lb (95 kg) Jr Memphis, Tennessee
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RE: Alright someone explain that mess of a game by supposedly HOF Tubby
I saw the team blow a 14 pt lead. Plain and simple.
How does this happen? And more importantly, why is this happening?
Definitely some time management issues in the second half.
It was 2 different teams playing.
This is not the time for the guys and coaches to mail it in.
Next few games will definitely define this season.
Hope the good team comes out for rest of season.
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The only reason we hired him was because he was 100% approved/certified "safe" while we were in the final stages of "for sure" getting into the B12 (IMHO). That said, I never thought coaching and game decisions would be the area everyone would be questioning with him.
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(02-17-2017 09:26 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  The only reason we hired him was because he was 100% approved/certified "safe" while we were in the final stages of "for sure" getting into the B12 (IMHO). That said, I never thought coaching and game decisions would be the area everyone would be questioning with him.

Stealing a Big 12 coach was going to "help" us get into the Big 12?
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We need a Dude who can BUST A TREY
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