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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
(02-17-2017 12:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Its easier to maintain something than to change something. ULM and ODU also have conferences to play in. With rivals.

ULM wouldn't be cancelling 3 or 4 mens programs to jump. They've already done it.

Well we don't know that JMU would be dropped sports to make a jump. And ODU would be (and has been) a rival for JMU. Of course, if CUSA would've offered JMU, they'd already be there.

Your first two points are certainly correct, and obviously difficult to answer. If they weren't, then more would've jumped.
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
(02-17-2017 12:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-17-2017 12:46 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-17-2017 12:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-17-2017 11:11 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Interesting comment from Dodd article. I think their be be an upcoming rule change about becoming independent.

Liberty said, in its Thursday press release, that the FBS waiver was approved after “feedback” from the NCAA Strategic Vision and Planning Committee, the NCAA Division Football Oversight Committee and the NCAA office of legal affairs.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...stigation/

Lawyers said there was an anti-trust issue?
More likely a systemic bias against a private religious school in the move-up rules. I think its pretty clear there is.

Note that systemic bias does not imply hate, or bigotry.

I think the NCAA simply didn't want to fight it. If they did, they'd simply change the rules to state...."no FBS institution can have policies that discriminate in participation or employment on the basis of sexual orientation, marital status, or religion". Then LU (and Baylor and BYU) could choose to comply with it or not. Both BYU and BU would comply. Every other FBS school is in compliance, including religious schools. LU wouldn't be successful if they sued the NCAA over that.

That being said, that the whole conference sponsorship rule was harder to justify on the basis of PRIVATE (regardless of institution) schools. The Belt has a stated preference against private schools. CUSA has never sponsored a move up. The MAC hasn't either.

I think people are getting stuck on the Legal office aspect instead of the the NCAA Division Football Oversight Committee feedback. My point this may be the first start in getting rid of the conference rule. Schools will still need the money. In addition, people are looking at existing schools moving up. Remember Wichita St wants to start football back up and could jump straight to FBS as an independent following the USF model.
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
There is a thread in the verbal insult section about a year ago that NoDak reported that Liberty was going get to FBS in a few months. If that is the case? WAC FBS could be in the cards?
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
(02-17-2017 08:58 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 08:52 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 08:46 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  If this is going to require from candidates a history of putting 15k fans in the stands and being able to afford the 85 scholarships not many schools could entertain it.

2015 FCS attendance leaders:

1.Montana 24,139
2. Jacksonville State 20,589
4. James Madison 19,498
5. Montana State 19,172
7. North Dakota State 18,497
9. Delaware 15,826

Only 6 schools that can make an automatic case for FBS. Attendance is on the decline nationally so its becoming tougher to do 15,000.

The loss of these schools of course would bring down averages and general fan interest in their conferences.


Im not sure that rule would hold up either. It seems it would be easy to demonstrate several fbs school do not maintain that level of attendance. And especially the fact that ccu was allowed to join with a stadium that doesn hold 15k.

This is a non-factor. Many FCS to FBS move ups increased stadium capacity after getting the invite. Coastal will have a +/- 21,000 seat stadium by the time they are full FBS members.


Thats my point exactly, to join fbs they need only upgrade a HS size stadium to an fcs size stadium.
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
(02-17-2017 12:57 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(02-17-2017 12:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Its easier to maintain something than to change something. ULM and ODU also have conferences to play in. With rivals.

ULM wouldn't be cancelling 3 or 4 mens programs to jump. They've already done it.

Well we don't know that JMU would be dropped sports to make a jump. And ODU would be (and has been) a rival for JMU. Of course, if CUSA would've offered JMU, they'd already be there.

Your first two points are certainly correct, and obviously difficult to answer. If they weren't, then more would've jumped.

JMU can't drop sports.

we are already at the minimum of 6 men's sports required to be D1 and if we dropped any women's sports we would fall out of compliance with Title IX
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
In college football, if you have enough money, all things are possible.
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
(02-18-2017 07:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  There is a thread in the verbal insult section about a year ago that NoDak reported that Liberty was going get to FBS in a few months. If that is the case? WAC FBS could be in the cards?

That was when this whole board thought I was insane and not prophetic. An FBS WAC will be reborn, with schools that need each other for scheduling. Liberty does not need an FBS conference to schedule. Liberty could have bought an FBS invite from the WAC for what they offered to the Sun Belt. A waiver is far cheaper.
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
(02-17-2017 07:56 AM)tarmack Wrote:  
(02-17-2017 12:23 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Liberty isn't even a real school.

Wrong, very fake news.

real schools don't teach religion as science.
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
(02-16-2017 07:43 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  [quote='NoDak' pid='14096242' dateline='1487291977']
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Well, Delaware State, Eastern Kentucky, Alabama State, North Alabama, SFA, Northern Iowa, Illinois State and maybe Indiana State would want to do the same thing. They all mentioned wanted to be FBS as well.

These schools do not have the deep pockets of Liberty. Most are state schools. And states keep cutting funds like crazy.
They also would not get the million a year from the CFP that the other G5 schools.

You may nor see anyone else move up
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
(02-18-2017 09:26 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  JMU can't drop sports.

we are already at the minimum of 6 men's sports required to be D1 and if we dropped any women's sports we would fall out of compliance with Title IX

Fair enough. Though oddly on the men's side you have tennis and soccer, while no XC/indoor/outdoor track. Not that tennis and soccer are expensive sports, but would think any/every school would have the full slate of the three "separate" sports on the track side for easy compliance.
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