(02-16-2017 09:19 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 08:31 PM)masttg Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 06:14 PM)axeme Wrote:  Maybe Liberty could become the next Baylor with their Christian standards blending with their athletics so well.

They also just hired the recently fired Baylor AD.

Baylor to people in Texas is a rich kid school. Its a state that is very conservative to begin with so Baylor isn't far from the center. Win at all costs football is the tradition in Texas.

Virginia is known for its well to do colleges. Liberty is looking to increase prestige by playing the top level more so than domination. They could draw well and make some bowl games. They know that a P5 or anything beyond a conference with SBC level schools is out of the question.

Jerry Falwell Sr. once said the Liberty would eventually compete on the same level as Notre Dame in football.

(02-19-2017 01:45 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(02-19-2017 01:24 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-19-2017 11:28 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  ...
Having said that, one thing the leftist leaning members of this board should remember about Liberty moving forward: the MAC states went red, and there is much disdain from the everyday American concerning the SJW's and sensitive snowflakes on college campuses. The UAW worker who voted staunch Democrat over the years is sick and tired of the nonsense the left is peddling on college campuses. He doesn't recognize this New Democratic Party, and he left en masse in 2016. You're asking automotive guys to support a radical agenda that looks nothing like traditional Ohio and Michigan. These are blue-collar states. That isn't going to change anytime soon.

And Liberty is a non-elitist, blue-collar university with an average SAT score of 1070. We (the aforementioned red states and Liberty) have much in common, unless of course you're far left of center and isolated in the tower. In which case, California will welcome you - you have few friends in Ohio or Michigan.

I'm NOT the one who gave Trump his info on the Electoral College for his press conference. [I've been following the Electoral College since high school.]

Using the EMU Steve verified electoral map, Clinton won N.Y. (Buffalo) and Illinois (NIU). Trump won Ohio, Michigan and Indiana.

FDR packed the (Supreme) Court. If we add UConn and UMass we will have 'packed' the MAC electoral college to give Clinton a 4 - 3 advantage after re-assessing the MAC electoral college map for expansion...

I was more so just commenting on the fact that SJWs and delicate snowflakes have little in common with MAC culture, and especially MAC football fans. If there were ever a sport where trigger warnings and safe spaces were ridiculed by the fan base, it would and should be football.

"Safe places" like theaters are for delicate snowflakes like the Pres and VP who don't want to be accosted by those notorious bullies, actors! Football stadiums are for tough guys who can stand up to actors without whining! How did this thread turn into a guy from a blue state college talking about red state snowflakes in a football thread? I swear I could write "nice blue sky this morning" and somebody would say "Yeah, we'll wait until 2018, Buddy, we're turning it red". smh

(02-19-2017 09:10 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-19-2017 01:45 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(02-19-2017 01:24 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-19-2017 11:28 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  ...
Having said that, one thing the leftist leaning members of this board should remember about Liberty moving forward: the MAC states went red, and there is much disdain from the everyday American concerning the SJW's and sensitive snowflakes on college campuses. The UAW worker who voted staunch Democrat over the years is sick and tired of the nonsense the left is peddling on college campuses. He doesn't recognize this New Democratic Party, and he left en masse in 2016. You're asking automotive guys to support a radical agenda that looks nothing like traditional Ohio and Michigan. These are blue-collar states. That isn't going to change anytime soon.

And Liberty is a non-elitist, blue-collar university with an average SAT score of 1070. We (the aforementioned red states and Liberty) have much in common, unless of course you're far left of center and isolated in the tower. In which case, California will welcome you - you have few friends in Ohio or Michigan.

I'm NOT the one who gave Trump his info on the Electoral College for his press conference. [I've been following the Electoral College since high school.]

Using the EMU Steve verified electoral map, Clinton won N.Y. (Buffalo) and Illinois (NIU). Trump won Ohio, Michigan and Indiana.

FDR packed the (Supreme) Court. If we add UConn and UMass we will have 'packed' the MAC electoral college to give Clinton a 4 - 3 advantage after re-assessing the MAC electoral college map for expansion...

I was more so just commenting on the fact that SJWs and delicate snowflakes have little in common with MAC culture, and especially MAC football fans. If there were ever a sport where trigger warnings and safe spaces were ridiculed by the fan base, it would and should be football.

"Safe places" like theaters are for delicate snowflakes like the Pres and VP who don't want to be accosted by those notorious bullies, actors! Football stadiums are for tough guys who can stand up to actors without whining! How did this thread turn into a guy from a blue state college talking about red state snowflakes in a football thread? I swear I could write "nice blue sky this morning" and somebody would say "Yeah, we'll wait until 2018, Buddy, we're turning it red". smh

You forgot about a Republican President's trip to see "Our America Cousin" on a Good Friday. You've had actors/comedians seriously call for 'someone to do their historic duty' and assassinate this President.

Both political parties have radical nut jobs. Idk about you guys but I don't come to a sports forum to talk politics.

(02-20-2017 08:36 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Both political parties have radical nut jobs. Idk about you guys but I don't come to a sports forum to talk politics.

Exactly.

(02-20-2017 09:20 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 08:36 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Both political parties have radical nut jobs. Idk about you guys but I don't come to a sports forum to talk politics.

Exactly.

Agreed!

(02-20-2017 10:29 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 09:20 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 08:36 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Both political parties have radical nut jobs. Idk about you guys but I don't come to a sports forum to talk politics.

Exactly.

Agreed!

i would rather read pointless expansion threads then political rants, keep the politics off this board

(02-20-2017 10:59 AM)cmufanatic Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 10:29 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 09:20 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 08:36 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Both political parties have radical nut jobs. Idk about you guys but I don't come to a sports forum to talk politics.

Exactly.

Agreed!

i would rather read pointless expansion threads then political rants, keep the politics off this board

What he said!!! ️️

(02-18-2017 08:44 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 07:53 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  Not proud moments for any of these schools, but not the same.

Of course it's not.... Why would they be.

Quote:In none of those cases was a university president literally reading the student newspaper and removing content before it was even published.

And doing it before vs removing the staff after is substantially different how?

It's vastly different. The issue here is prior review and prior restraint. At Liberty, the university president is clearly reviewing content in the student newspaper before it is published and censoring material he does not like. That's a really bad practice, and it happens nowhere else in the MAC to my knowledge.

At most universities, including the universities of the MAC, it is up to the student journalists themselves to make decisions about what to publish. Typically, only after material is published does someone like a student publications advisor offer advice and coaching on how the students could have done better. Whether we are talking about the OU Post, the BG News, the Ball State Daily News, or CM Life, university administrators are not reviewing content before it is published.

At Liberty U., they do. And this ongoing practice is more offensive to journalism education standards than one isolated incident from 30 years ago at Northern Illinois -- an incident so widely recognized as a mistake at the time that it apparently helped cost the university president his job almost immediately.

When it comes to the MAC, I want to keep company with institutions I respect. It is difficult for me to respect a university where administrators routinely review content in the student newspaper before it is published.

(02-19-2017 06:51 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Jerry Falwell Sr. once said the Liberty would eventually compete on the same level as Notre Dame in football.

If Falwell said this, then I have Prime Beachfront Property in Phoenix I could have sold him

I am watching this whole thing wit Liberty and I wish them the best with the move up. However we have a test case when Akron moved up back in the 80's as in Independent in Football.

Finding someone to play, especially late in the season is going to be hard without doing two ATM Games against the SEC/Home and Home/Hawai'i throwing a lifeline.

Now in Akron's case, they basically had to leave the OVC for Independence with no home for all other sports.

Now I am not sure if their current Conference let's them stay, but if all other sports cannot find another Conference(and in their case will be really hard) if they are forced out, this could turn out very badly for them.......

(02-20-2017 12:36 PM)lance99 Wrote:  I am watching this whole thing wit Liberty and I wish them the best with the move up. However we have a test case when Akron moved up back in the 80's as in Independent in Football.

Finding someone to play, especially late in the season is going to be hard without doing two ATM Games against the SEC/Home and Home/Hawai'i throwing a lifeline.

Now in Akron's case, they basically had to leave the OVC for Independence with no home for all other sports.

Now I am not sure if their current Conference let's them stay, but if all other sports cannot find another Conference(and in their case will be really hard) if they are forced out, this could turn out very badly for them.......

This is true to some extent. As we've been independent recently. This year we do play at BYU and Mississippi State in November, but they are not 2 for 1. Think today it's less difficult, but not easy.

OK, to the Spin Room with this thread.

Why is this in the SR?

(02-17-2017 10:59 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear MAC Friends.
They are very different from the majority of college campuses. No hand holding, no kissing, no alcohol. Some may argue that some, or all of those no-no's might be a good thing. It just depends on what one wants when attending college.

That happens on other campuses? I thought is was just straight black out drunk sex?

(02-20-2017 11:38 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 08:44 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 07:53 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  Not proud moments for any of these schools, but not the same.

Of course it's not.... Why would they be.

Quote:In none of those cases was a university president literally reading the student newspaper and removing content before it was even published.

And doing it before vs removing the staff after is substantially different how?

It's vastly different. The issue here is prior review and prior restraint. At Liberty, the university president is clearly reviewing content in the student newspaper before it is published and censoring material he does not like. That's a really bad practice, and it happens nowhere else in the MAC to my knowledge.

At most universities, including the universities of the MAC, it is up to the student journalists themselves to make decisions about what to publish. Typically, only after material is published does someone like a student publications advisor offer advice and coaching on how the students could have done better. Whether we are talking about the OU Post, the BG News, the Ball State Daily News, or CM Life, university administrators are not reviewing content before it is published.

At Liberty U., they do. And this ongoing practice is more offensive to journalism education standards than one isolated incident from 30 years ago at Northern Illinois -- an incident so widely recognized as a mistake at the time that it apparently helped cost the university president his job almost immediately.

When it comes to the MAC, I want to keep company with institutions I respect. It is difficult for me to respect a university where administrators routinely review content in the student newspaper before it is published.

Then using that personal morality position one could see you not attending a game played against Liberty. You have every right to express your views and not support your team, especially against playing against a team you don't want to be associated with. And in reality, I bet you will attend and compromise your current views.

I don't like the idea of any new FBS members right now.

Why are people offended that some crappy FCS team is going FBS? Who cares?

Don't like them? Easy. Don't watch them.

However, as day follows night, tolerant, open-minded liberals will be out picketing.

(02-21-2017 09:32 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Why are people offended that some crappy FCS team is going FBS? Who cares?

Don't like them? Easy. Don't watch them.

However, as day follows night, tolerant, open-minded liberals will be out picketing.

Normalizing a school where 80 percent of the worlds population is categorically excluded from the benefits of FBS participation is problematic.

I'm much less opposed to LU moving up if my teams never play them. At least I'll never have to be subjected to LU problems to watch my team.

(02-21-2017 10:05 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 09:32 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Why are people offended that some crappy FCS team is going FBS? Who cares?

Don't like them? Easy. Don't watch them.

However, as day follows night, tolerant, open-minded liberals will be out picketing.

Normalizing a school where 80 percent of the worlds population is categorically excluded from the benefits of FBS participation is problematic.

I'm much less opposed to LU moving up if my teams never play them. At least I'll never have to be subjected to LU problems to watch my team.

False.