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RE: Liberty to FBS
(02-16-2017 05:17 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:55 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  They'll probably do bodybag games cheaper than the rest of us so should have no problem getting games.

I see problems for them in scheduling. P12, B12, B1G, and MAC simply don't have late season slots even if they were willing to play them. A lot of ACC schools - frankly almost all public P5 schools and many G5 public schools, even a number of the SBC (their presidents were near unanimous in rejecting them) - will refuse to schedule them. The elite privates wont touch them either. Sure a Baylor (if they even have schedule space) and desperate school for November dates like NMSU might schedule them, but it's hard to see a long list. It may cost Georgia $500K more to schedule Kent State, but that is one protest headache a school President and AD don't have to deal with.

Maybe Falwell is hoping President Trump will force Army to create a hole in their schedule (they're booked through 2021) by EO.

The SEC loves to play late season ooc games. They might land a couple of those and front load the schedule with the home games. Anything is possible when money is involved.
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RE: Liberty to FBS
(02-16-2017 05:00 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  Please remember that not everyone can afford four years tuition, room and board, and fees at a residential campus.

But on the other hand, I'm willing to bet that a good deal more people who enroll in "online degree programs" never finish them.

The general idea for such a model is to get potential students to sign up for the (ridiculously) high costs and then have the government foot the cost by loaning the student the money.

The student never finishes, and never gets anything for their time and money. The school makes off with the money, while the student deals with the government to pay the money back.


This is outright fraud, in my opinion.


BUT at least in Liberty's case, it is a non-profit organization. Although, it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that the online operation was a separate organization that was for-profit. But I'm making that up, I don't know if that's true.


(02-16-2017 05:11 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I have worked with many Liberty grads and my sister-in-law is doing an MBA there. It's not as easy as people who have never taken a class there try to paint it as.

Sure. I wasn't necessarily suggesting that Liberty (online) classes are all really easy, and thus an easy way to get a degree.

Nor suggesting that no smart and/or talented people attend/attended Liberty.


(02-16-2017 05:13 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  They don't teach religious based values/traditions. They teach conservative ignorance. If they actually taught christian values they wouldn't be run by the Falwells.

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(02-16-2017 05:14 PM)Teal2018 Wrote:  Charleston Southern's coach actually left to become the OC at Coastal. Apparently he and the Charleston Southern administration didn't see eye to eye on how to run the football team.

Ah. Well, that's that I guess. Be interesting if Chuck South can maintain the recent success, but guessing that guy was a huge reason for it.


(02-16-2017 05:15 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  That does not make sense for Uconn, what would they gain? They might profit about 3 million dollars but they will lose a crap ton of fans, support, and CFP money so they would probably just break even.

Are they getting a ton of CFP money from the AAC now?? Also doubt they get many fans and support from being non-competitive in the AAC.


(02-16-2017 05:15 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  If they want to be in a better basketball league they would be better off trying to push the AAC to add some good basketball teams.

Or they could join the Big East in all-sports, and go Indy in football.


(02-16-2017 05:16 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  It's a political science machine. They crank out right wing lobbyists to work in Washington. I had two cousins go there for teaching. Their diplomas aren't worth the paper they're printed on and can't get public school jobs. Only religious private schools will hire them. They don't teach actual science there. Thats a pretty good reason not to like a "University" that doesn't teach actual science.

I bet it wasn't cheap, either. That is unfortunate.
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RE: Liberty to FBS
(02-16-2017 05:15 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 05:07 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Well, that gives FBS Independents Liberty, UMass, NMSU plus Army, BYU and Notre Dame. (I'm setting aside Army, BYU and Notre Dame because they have no real problems filling schedules.)

That makes FBS Independence a little bit less daunting for Idaho--and UConn. If Liberty, UMass, UConn, NMSU and Idaho form a scheduling alliance, that's 2 FBS home games each for everybody. Your FCS game makes 3, and you're only 2 FBS home games short of a schedule.

That does not make sense for Uconn, what would they gain? They might profit about 3 million dollars but they will lose a crap ton of fans, support, and CFP money so they would probably just break even.

If they want to be in a better basketball league they would be better off trying to push the AAC to add some good basketball teams.

I'm not saying it's a great move for UConn. They'd pick up $2M a year in TV money, maybe $1M more in NCAA credits (wild guess), and stabilize their basketball program. (I don't think that the AAC is a problem for UConn hoops, but there may be a faction in Storrs that thinks so?) But they'd lose access to the CFP money, $2M I think. And they get to pay the AAC $10M, unless they've lowered the exit fees.

But having more independent FBS teams (Liberty, maybe Idaho joining UMass, New Mexico State plus Army and BYU) means that FBS independence is more of an option than it was yesterday--for UConn, or for anyone. The more indy's there are, the less impossible it is to fill a schedule, especially during conference play.
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RE: Liberty to FBS
Good news / bad news for the WAC.

Bad news - With Liberty being granted this FBS waiver, it could mean the WAC's grandfathered clause is no longer needed. Also if UT-RGV wants football they may be looking for a new home.

Good news - NMSU might be more inclined to stick around.
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RE: Liberty to FBS
UConn (nor UMass) will likely never schedule Liberty, nor will Cal, Texas, Michigan, Virginia, Duke, UNC, Georgia, Florida, Wisconsin, Stanford, Kansas, Missouri, Miami, Tennessee, or any number of liberal leaning campuses (e.g., the Ohio and Michigan MAC schools). It's just inviting protests and controversy. If there is one thing University Presidents want to avoid it is campus wide protests - whether real or imagined. I can see Conferences like the P12, B1G and ACC quietly instituting a black listing of Liberty, without ever saying anything in public. GCU ran into that with the Pac-12, Liberty could see a national version of that.

As for UConn an Independent, it requires FOX to come up with a package similar to Army has from CBS or BYU from ESPN, along with Bowl access and help scheduling a few P5 opponents (maybe an annual neutral game guaranteed in Foxborough or Fenway, or Yankee Stadium or Meadowlands; I do think the B1G would be open to help, given the FOX connection). But does FOX want to bother? That is a lot of extra work for adding one BE school. Unless and until FOX decides to do that, this is just fan talk, going nowhere.
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RE: Liberty to FBS
(02-16-2017 05:30 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Good news / bad news for the WAC.

Bad news - With Liberty being granted this FBS waiver, it could mean the WAC's grandfathered clause is no longer needed. Also if UT-RGV wants football they may be looking for a new home.

Good news - NMSU might be more inclined to stick around.

UT-RGV wouldn't need a new home. They could now just be an FBS Indy and stay in the WAC for everything else.
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(02-16-2017 05:36 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 05:30 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Good news / bad news for the WAC.

Bad news - With Liberty being granted this FBS waiver, it could mean the WAC's grandfathered clause is no longer needed. Also if UT-RGV wants football they may be looking for a new home.

Good news - NMSU might be more inclined to stick around.

UT-RGV wouldn't need a new home. They could now just be an FBS Indy and stay in the WAC for everything else.

I said "could." Because UT-RGV and any others entertaining thoughts of moving up will have to prove they can sustain themselves without an invitation to a current FBS conference.
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Hey Guys .... still catching our breath in Flames Nation as this announcement came much quicker than we expected. But the NCAA moved faster than any of us could have imagined.

First off, we have resources to make this happen. We have to schedule three home FBS games in 2018 and we just started making calls today. But we have to get up to the full five game expectation by 2019. Our chancellor just announced int he news conference that we have plans and money to expand the stadium from 19k to 25k right now. But we will probably work to make that bump up to 35k possibly as soon as after the 2017 season. We had planned to move it a long little by little but will likely push forward time schedule.

jdgaucho - That is a big takeaway from the process. Liberty had to really show they were prepared from both facility and resource perspective to gain this exemption. Might be tough for UT-RGV to pull this off based on current facilities and the lack of resources in the Valley.
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This certainly sets an interesting precedent. I wonder if anyone else will try to go the FBS independent route. I'd love to the see the best of the MVFC and Big Sky move up too. I wouldn't mind seeing 4-6 western schools and 4-6 Midwestern schools form a football league together.
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Stugray2 - Half the schools you listed have played Liberty in football in the past decade or so. Granted that was back before most fo the P5 leagues started pushing hard against FCS schools. But with FBS Indy status, we might make an attractive cupcake.
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