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RE: Liberty to FBS
(02-17-2017 01:42 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(02-17-2017 10:26 AM)Scoochpooch Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 05:02 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:53 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This is a lawsuit averted more than anything else. I think it nudges the P5 a little closer to their own division, given the weakness of the NCAA to be any kind of a barrier.

It will be interesting to see if hey can schedule. Will Falwell try to sue schools that refuse to schedule the Flames?

It's funny, because this move, overdue and well done on Liberty's behalf, I might say, was probably done with a lawyer threatening to sue if the NCAA didn't allow it.

If nobody schedules them, they'll have a lawyer ready for that, too.

And in both cases, they are right to.

These move-up's used to have a bit more merit to them. If Rutgers started the trend against that, Coastal was a step ahead (and there's nothing against either, good job to both for getting there). Folks at these football schools want this to reflect a business, then go right to institutional politics and pettiness when it comes down to it. Liberty's story the last decade or so with CAAF and SoCon. Same for Coastal. **** those conferences.

The rules stink. The politics are putrid.

I am no fan of that institution, but the enemy of my enemy is my ally in this one. Good luck, Liberty. You're going to need it.

Actually you're wrong on the second point. You cannot force performance - you can't make anyone play Liberty on the field. Slavery and indentured servitude is illegal in the US.

Liberty was justified in your first point. NCAA had little chance of forcing schools to stay down. But a court may also see that in cases other than Liberty that the NCAA is trying to save schools from themselves. NCAA is blocking the schools from losing millions of dollars each season.

It's not a matter of Liberty forcing itself onto schedules, but getting to the heart of why they might be resisted. If Liberty is shunned again, I think they're within their right to explore their legal options. Enough of the conference shenanigans from CAA, SoCon, and Sun Belt, where Liberty had a lot of its competitors over the years beat in terms of financial and departmental infrastructure, program readiness, fan support...all the stuff that made Liberty a clear winner from the business side of operations, to see them overlooked for nothing more than "they don't have the votes."

Well, why don't they have the votes? It's one of the worst kept secrets in NCAA Division 1.

The folks over on AGS are having a lot of fun with this. To hear it from them over there, once Coastal got the nod, and then suffered its resistance with the football stadium, that pretty much did it for Liberty and their patience.

There used to be a component of merit with this stuff. That's getting tossed out the window now.

Not voting to invite a new conference member that doesn't share your problems, your goals, your resources, your FOIA requirements, your state oversight and restrictions, etc. is not actionable in court.
02-17-2017 01:47 PM
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RE: Liberty to FBS
(02-17-2017 10:26 AM)Scoochpooch Wrote:  Liberty was justified in your first point. NCAA had little chance of forcing schools to stay down. But a court may also see that in cases other than Liberty that the NCAA is trying to save schools from themselves. NCAA is blocking the schools from losing millions of dollars each season.

The NCAA's conference-invitation rule is intended to ensure that teams moving into FBS will be readily able to schedule the required 5 home games, 4 of which have to be vs. FBS opponents, and the required minimum of 8 total games vs. FBS opponents.

Based on Liberty's statement about the materials they submitted to the NCAA, the NCAA covered itself well in the event that other schools apply for a waiver. The NCAA can point to the materials that Liberty submitted and tell schools that you have to do just as much (finances, facilities, assurances about future football game contracts, and other criteria) to get a waiver of the conference-invitation rule.

One example, using athletic budget as an indication of readiness for FBS and whether a school should get a waiver: Someone started another thread here asking about Tennessee-Chattanooga possibly moving to FBS. Chattanooga's annual athletic budget, as reported to the federal government, is about $17 million. Liberty's reported athletic budget is about $39 million.
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RE: Liberty to FBS
For those who hate Liberty and feel they have lost some major campaign against them. For those who are ticked off about Liberty becoming FBS in spite of their hopes and those who are now hoping nobody will schedule Liberty and just can't accept reality:

it's time to listen to your mother and "get over it! Just get over it!

Please drop it.
02-17-2017 01:58 PM
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If Liberty was able to push this through under the veil of legal force, then, they may have had grounds to dispute the spirit of the sponsorship rule was askew. That under whatever parameters or foundation was set when the rule was written, so many of these conferences just disregarded it when they saw Liberty's application. A bias. An abuse of the rule as a prohibitive manner.

All I'm saying is...Liberty has every right to explore its options.
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(02-16-2017 04:29 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Darn. Guess the NCAA wussed out on the legal front. Liberty wanted this bad, and the Sun Belt wouldn't have them.

Hope they have middling success in football, at best. But doubt that will be the case.

Their program will be well funded, with truckloads of cash by fraudulent profiteers, claiming to be Christians.

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RE: Liberty to FBS
(02-17-2017 02:15 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  If Liberty was able to push this through under the veil of legal force, then, they may have had grounds to dispute the spirit of the sponsorship rule was askew. That under whatever parameters or foundation was set when the rule was written, so many of these conferences just disregarded it when they saw Liberty's application. A bias. An abuse of the rule as a prohibitive manner.

All I'm saying is...Liberty has every right to explore its options.

So you're saying schools and conferences shouldn't have the right to free association? Academic standards have been the cornerstone of many conference inclusion decisions for a long time. If you're suggesting that their snub is 100% due to their religious affiliation then you're way off base. They have 90K online students. Do you really think William & Mary would ever want anything to do with that? Like it or not sports is a small part of the equation. And even if it were Liberty still wasn't a homerun add for any of these conferences. CCU brings a whole lot more, the Sun Belt made the right decision.
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