(02-16-2017 11:28 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Speaking of Knight , here is one of his many classic tirades. Good for some laughs

The General was an a-hole most of the time in regards to how he treated his players. However, most of his former players credit Knight with teaching them how to be "men." While not an Eustachy fan per see, I feel like he got the shaft by a soft AD and CSU President.

(02-16-2017 10:11 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  There are two very different simultaneous discussions happening here.

#1) I am offended by a coach's profane language. Think of the poor children.

#2) Profanity is a cheap shortcut in coaching, used primarily by mental midgets who can't communicate without it.

Hart, you seem to be talking about #1 more than #2. I think Steeler & I were aiming for #2 (not to put words in his mouth).

Yes, you put the correct words in my mouth

Dabo Swinney is the only example I even need to use if you want a modern example, of course the line stretches back to John Wooden and before. Narcissistic a-holes like Bobby Knight can have success, but only with players that are young and inexperienced enough to be bullied. He would never have had success with adults, they wouldn't have put up with his crap (thus no attempts at an NBA gig). Choices and awareness have made it much tougher for the Eustachy's of the world to sustain success, and quite frankly I don't see it as a bad thing. I'm almost 50 years old, so I certainly can't be accused of being conditioned with some form of modern wussification. If you have to scream, curse, insult and threaten to get your players to perform, you're either a terrible communicator or you did a really bad job selecting your players. Either way, that's on you.

(02-17-2017 04:05 AM)johnjmu98 Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 11:28 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Speaking of Knight , here is one of his many classic tirades. Good for some laughs

The General was an a-hole most of the time in regards to how he treated his players. However, most of his former players credit Knight with teaching them how to be "men." While not an Eustachy fan per see, I feel like he got the shaft by a soft AD and CSU President.

That was classic. Can't talk to kids like that anymore, America has gotten to soft.

(02-17-2017 07:56 AM)jmufbs Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 04:05 AM)johnjmu98 Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 11:28 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Speaking of Knight , here is one of his many classic tirades. Good for some laughs

The General was an a-hole most of the time in regards to how he treated his players. However, most of his former players credit Knight with teaching them how to be "men." While not an Eustachy fan per see, I feel like he got the shaft by a soft AD and CSU President.

That was classic. Can't talk to kids like that anymore, America has gotten to soft.

So you'd be cool with someone speaking to your kid like that with the understanding that it will make them tougher, that this is how all the great coaches and leaders talk to kids, that because Bobby Knight was at Army he gets free license to treat kids like soldiers going into battle? It's why Bobby Knight's time came and went- he never adjusted.

Despite my personal feelings against his coaching style, watching Bobby Knight explode is a guilty pleasure for me.

(02-17-2017 08:05 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 07:56 AM)jmufbs Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 04:05 AM)johnjmu98 Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 11:28 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Speaking of Knight , here is one of his many classic tirades. Good for some laughs

The General was an a-hole most of the time in regards to how he treated his players. However, most of his former players credit Knight with teaching them how to be "men." While not an Eustachy fan per see, I feel like he got the shaft by a soft AD and CSU President.

That was classic. Can't talk to kids like that anymore, America has gotten to soft.

So you'd be cool with someone speaking to your kid like that with the understanding that it will make them tougher, that this is how all the great coaches and leaders talk to kids, that because Bobby Knight was at Army he gets free license to treat kids like soldiers going into battle? It's why Bobby Knight's time came and went- he never adjusted.

Talk about reading what you want into a statement.... where did I say any of what you just implied ?

(02-15-2017 06:58 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  A lot of posters on the old board really wanted this guy at JMU.

Here and present

Although I don't think the concerns about LE were his player abuse. They were more about how "social" he was.

Keener was certainly a nicer guy.

Absolutely wanted Eustachy too. He is an excellent basketball coach that gets the most out of his teams. I think it was him, Matt Doherty (who laughed at our offer) and then the eventual hire in an assistant coach named Keener. Bourne fail 1.0

Dean was a great guy and a horrible coach. Some guys are better assistants then head coaches.

By all accounts during practice coach K at duke swears like a drunken sailor. And he does it with the pro players also. If you want to hear it google Coach K swearing at Kyrie Irving during a team USA practice. And both the college and pro players who have played for him worship the ground he walks on. John Thompson Sr was by all accounts even worse and his former players also worship him. Players know when a coach truly has their best interests at heart and when the coach is really just an ass.

(02-20-2017 10:43 AM)Bogey Wrote:  By all accounts during practice coach K at duke swears like a drunken sailor. And he does it with the pro players also. If you want to hear it google Coach K swearing at Kyrie Irving during a team USA practice. And both the college and pro players who have played for him worship the ground he walks on. John Thompson Sr was by all accounts even worse and his former players also worship him. Players know when a coach truly has their best interests at heart and when the coach is really just an ass.

Agreed, the cursing part is not a definitive indicator. I'd be a huge hypocrite for complaining about it anyway, there are many more important factors that go into it.

Quote:Players know when a coach truly has their best interests at heart and when the coach is really just an ass.

Very true. I've also spent my time teaching/coaching 13-19 year-olds, so most of my comments are geared toward that angle. I don't think the foul-mouthed approach is very productive or educationally sound before the college level.

These are good points. So what is okay to utilize as a motivator for 18-22 young men?

Completely different for younger people or for the fairer sex.