(02-14-2017 12:00 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 11:41 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Cougar Red, how much does the NFL impact your football attendance? Houston has tough with MLB, NFL and the NBA to compete against ever year.

I think probably LSU, A&M, and UT affect UH's attendance more than the texans do. Sometimes g5 is hard to sell when within a few hours you can watch bama.

wow, looks like ya'll are between a rock and a hard place. All we have to worry about is UK.

(02-14-2017 11:21 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 08:40 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  Houston is a little surprising, being a large city with some past success, that they are so low.

Our attendance sucks. We should have a nice crowd for SMU.

But being in a large city with NBA competition pretty much spells middling to poor attendance for most schools.

The teams listed below, from Power 5 conferences + the American + the Big East, compete in a Top 15 TV market with NBA competition:

UCLA
USC
St Johns
Rutgers
DePaul
Northwestern
Villanova
Temple
TCU
SMU
Cal
Stanford
Miami
Arizona St
Boston College
Georgia Tech

That's 16 schools. I have looked at their attendance from 2010-2016 (7 seasons). I only looked at TCU since it joined the Big 12, and SMU since it joined the American.

That's 95 seasons of major college basketball in big cities with NBA competition.

Here is how many times in those 95 seasons a team averaged:

More than 10K = 3
Between 9K & 10K = 3
Between 8K & 9K = 14
Less than 8K = 75

So, in 79% of those seasons, the team averaged less than 8K. Combined, these schools have averaged 6150 to 6350 per game in each of the last 5 seasons.

Three schools (UCLA, Cal, Villanova) are responsible for 16 of those 20 seasons in exess of 8K. Take them out, and it gets worse.

70 of 74 seasons below 8K or 95%.

It is what it is. Outside of DC (where Maryland and Georgetown do well), college basketball is just not a big draw in major cities with NBA competition.

But Houston should certainly be doing better. And I think we will with the new arena, which will seat 7200 in part for the reasons mentioned above.

You left off Memphis

(02-14-2017 12:22 PM)Pouncer20 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 11:21 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 08:40 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  Houston is a little surprising, being a large city with some past success, that they are so low.

Our attendance sucks. We should have a nice crowd for SMU.

But being in a large city with NBA competition pretty much spells middling to poor attendance for most schools.

The teams listed below, from Power 5 conferences + the American + the Big East, compete in a Top 15 TV market with NBA competition:

UCLA
USC
St Johns
Rutgers
DePaul
Northwestern
Villanova
Temple
TCU
SMU
Cal
Stanford
Miami
Arizona St
Boston College
Georgia Tech

That's 16 schools. I have looked at their attendance from 2010-2016 (7 seasons). I only looked at TCU since it joined the Big 12, and SMU since it joined the American.

That's 95 seasons of major college basketball in big cities with NBA competition.

Here is how many times in those 95 seasons a team averaged:

More than 10K = 3
Between 9K & 10K = 3
Between 8K & 9K = 14
Less than 8K = 75

So, in 79% of those seasons, the team averaged less than 8K. Combined, these schools have averaged 6150 to 6350 per game in each of the last 5 seasons.

Three schools (UCLA, Cal, Villanova) are responsible for 16 of those 20 seasons in exess of 8K. Take them out, and it gets worse.

70 of 74 seasons below 8K or 95%.

It is what it is. Outside of DC (where Maryland and Georgetown do well), college basketball is just not a big draw in major cities with NBA competition.

But Houston should certainly be doing better. And I think we will with the new arena, which will seat 7200 in part for the reasons mentioned above.

You left off Memphis

memphis is not in a top 15 tv market which is what he used in his metric. I'd be curious to see how many of those teams listed average less than 4K.

(02-14-2017 11:33 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  NBA competition does indeed hurts NCAA school attendance in cities with NBA teams. Louisville is very fortunate that most in Louisville do not want the NBA.

nah, if you have a good team Memphis fans are there. If you suck for 3 years straight they dont. Grizz or no Grizz.

(02-14-2017 11:21 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 08:40 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  Houston is a little surprising, being a large city with some past success, that they are so low.

Our attendance sucks. We should have a nice crowd for SMU.

But being in a large city with NBA competition pretty much spells middling to poor attendance for most schools.

The teams listed below, from Power 5 conferences + the American + the Big East, compete in a Top 15 TV market with NBA competition:

UCLA
USC
St Johns
Rutgers
DePaul
Northwestern
Villanova
Temple
TCU
SMU
Cal
Stanford
Miami
Arizona St
Boston College
Georgia Tech

That's 16 schools. I have looked at their attendance from 2010-2016 (7 seasons). I only looked at TCU since it joined the Big 12, and SMU since it joined the American.

That's 95 seasons of major college basketball in big cities with NBA competition.

Here is how many times in those 95 seasons a team averaged:

More than 10K = 3
Between 9K & 10K = 3
Between 8K & 9K = 14
Less than 8K = 75

So, in 79% of those seasons, the team averaged less than 8K. Combined, these schools have averaged 6150 to 6350 per game in each of the last 5 seasons.

Three schools (UCLA, Cal, Villanova) are responsible for 16 of those 20 seasons in exess of 8K. Take them out, and it gets worse.

70 of 74 seasons below 8K or 95%.

It is what it is. Outside of DC (where Maryland and Georgetown do well), college basketball is just not a big draw in major cities with NBA competition.

But Houston should certainly be doing better. And I think we will with the new arena, which will seat 7200 in part for the reasons mentioned above.

Take out Villanova because they aren't in Philly. I would guarantee nearly all of their fans not only come from the burbs and aren't commuting from philly, but are demographically near identical from what you would see in the burbs. It's an elite private, preppy school, located in a very rich area. Temple, Drexel, Penn, Lasalle, and even saint joes are philly schools. Nova isn't. Philadelphia is definitely a pro sports town, but very much in love with basketball. . . we just suck at sports.

Also Rutgers is near an hour away from NYC.

(02-14-2017 07:28 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  but but but Tech Savy said we only averaged 7,000 a game!?

I said Cincinnati barely draws 7K for OUT OF CONFERENCE home games. I wasn't far off the mark. Here is this season's numbers...

Brown---6,504
Albany---5,864 (SAD)
Samford---7,422
Lipscomb---5,724 (SAD)
Bowling Green---7,162
Texas Southern---6,612
Fairleigh Dickinson---7,017
Marshall---10,540
Xavier---13,477

AVG: 7,813 (7,105 w/out Xavier)

(02-14-2017 09:04 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 07:28 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  but but but Tech Savy said we only averaged 7,000 a game!?

These attendance figures represent conference games only. When you take in consideration our OOC games, UC's total attendance figure is ~9200/game.

Tech Savy is obviously an XU fan. It was easy to spot when he made a comment about our attendance, which is the one mark XU fans like to rub in our face because it is the only metric in which they exceed us (they average ~10K a game so it is not as if they are doubling us up or anything).

XU fans like to think because they average more butts in the seat for the random game that it is a sign of a larger fan base. While this is probably true in most instances, this is the exception to the rule. They get more people to their arena because of the quality of their venue plus the fact that XU is having the great 10-15 year run in school history. UC easily has more fans (many times over)-- our fans are just prefer to sit at home to watch the game on TV.

Georgia Tech****

Boston College also isn't in Boston, kiddos.

(02-14-2017 01:55 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 07:28 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  but but but Tech Savy said we only averaged 7,000 a game!?

I said Cincinnati barely draws 7K for OUT OF CONFERENCE home games. I wasn't far off the mark. Here is this season's numbers...

Brown---6,504
Albany---5,864 (SAD)
Samford---7,422
Lipscomb---5,724 (SAD)
Bowling Green---7,162
Texas Southern---6,612
Fairleigh Dickinson---7,017
Marshall---10,540
Xavier---13,477

AVG: 7,813 (7,105 w/out Xavier)

So you were wrong then. Trying to exclude X to make you seem not as wrong is idiotic. For some reason, I guess that game doesn't count in your mind?

In the AAC, UC consistently hovers around that mark for OOC with 5/3 in the current condition it is in. They averaged 7.9k last year OOC and 8.0k the year before OOC. They get like 6-7k for the bodybag games and 10k+ for the marquee games in the current 5/3.

Not sure what there is to be ashamed of. The numbers will shoot up when the new arena is done and UC will likely be in the Top 30-40 range in the nation. They are at 45-50 right now. I found GTech at #93 by the way. They eeked out DePaul. Hail Pastner.

(02-14-2017 11:33 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  NBA competition does indeed hurts NCAA school attendance in cities with NBA teams. Louisville is very fortunate that most in Louisville do not want the NBA.

Temple is hurt by more than the NBA team. The Sixers only seem to draw big when they are good, which hasn't happened since the AI days. So the NBA team hasn't hurt as much as it could.

However, having defending NCAA champion (Villanova) along with 3 other Big 5 teams doesn't help. Even Drexel spreads the potential attendance in Philly. Lots of choices for potential games for customers to attend.

(02-14-2017 01:55 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 07:28 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  but but but Tech Savy said we only averaged 7,000 a game!?

I said Cincinnati barely draws 7K for OUT OF CONFERENCE home games. I wasn't far off the mark. Here is this season's numbers...

Brown---6,504
Albany---5,864 (SAD)
Samford---7,422
Lipscomb---5,724 (SAD)
Bowling Green---7,162
Texas Southern---6,612
Fairleigh Dickinson---7,017
Marshall---10,540
Xavier---13,477

AVG: 7,813 (7,105 w/out Xavier)

You originally left out the XU attendance because it helped your BS argument lol

you like to be intellectually dishonest

(02-14-2017 11:33 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  NBA competition does indeed hurts NCAA school attendance in cities with NBA teams. Louisville is very fortunate that most in Louisville do not want the NBA.

Memphis has had an NBA team for years, but it wasn't until the past 3-4 years that Tigers attendance fell out of the top 15 nationally.

(02-14-2017 04:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 01:55 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 07:28 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  but but but Tech Savy said we only averaged 7,000 a game!?

I said Cincinnati barely draws 7K for OUT OF CONFERENCE home games. I wasn't far off the mark. Here is this season's numbers...

Brown---6,504
Albany---5,864 (SAD)
Samford---7,422
Lipscomb---5,724 (SAD)
Bowling Green---7,162
Texas Southern---6,612
Fairleigh Dickinson---7,017
Marshall---10,540
Xavier---13,477

AVG: 7,813 (7,105 w/out Xavier)

You originally left out the XU attendance because it helped your BS argument lol

you like to be intellectually dishonest

I was just suspecting it was around 7K, it was just an educated guess. I wasn't aware that the crowd was pretty good for Marshall all things considered. When your OOC attendance is almost entirely dependent on one game that you only get every other year, it's not good...

(02-14-2017 09:39 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  Cincinnati: 11,317
Memphis: 10,267
UCONN WBB: 10,018
UCONN MBB: 7,880
SMU: 6,962
Temple: 5,440
UCONN Men's Hockey: 4,851
UCF: 4,792
Tulsa: 4,502
ECU: 4,061
Houston: 3,972
USF: 2,713
Tulane: 1,483

Giving scholarship support to Hockey was an incredibly smart move for the Athletic Department. You guys have seemed to be dying for a hockey team since the Whalers left, and the level of competition in the AmEast is great for crowds.

(02-14-2017 07:29 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 04:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 01:55 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 07:28 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  but but but Tech Savy said we only averaged 7,000 a game!?

I said Cincinnati barely draws 7K for OUT OF CONFERENCE home games. I wasn't far off the mark. Here is this season's numbers...

Brown---6,504
Albany---5,864 (SAD)
Samford---7,422
Lipscomb---5,724 (SAD)
Bowling Green---7,162
Texas Southern---6,612
Fairleigh Dickinson---7,017
Marshall---10,540
Xavier---13,477

AVG: 7,813 (7,105 w/out Xavier)

You originally left out the XU attendance because it helped your BS argument lol

you like to be intellectually dishonest

I was just suspecting it was around 7K, it was just an educated guess. I wasn't aware that the crowd was pretty good for Marshall all things considered. When your OOC attendance is almost entirely dependent on one game that you only get every other year, it's not good...

You are an idiot. Iowa state game got bad attendance, Butler, San Diego State??? We get it troll, go back to loser x. University of Cincinnati is the champion of the city this year.

(02-14-2017 01:56 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 09:04 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 07:28 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  but but but Tech Savy said we only averaged 7,000 a game!?

These attendance figures represent conference games only. When you take in consideration our OOC games, UC's total attendance figure is ~9200/game.

Tech Savy is obviously an XU fan. It was easy to spot when he made a comment about our attendance, which is the one mark XU fans like to rub in our face because it is the only metric in which they exceed us (they average ~10K a game so it is not as if they are doubling us up or anything).

XU fans like to think because they average more butts in the seat for the random game that it is a sign of a larger fan base. While this is probably true in most instances, this is the exception to the rule. They get more people to their arena because of the quality of their venue plus the fact that XU is having the great 10-15 year run in school history. UC easily has more fans (many times over)-- our fans are just prefer to sit at home to watch the game on TV.

Georgia Tech****

You realize GT is averaging 5700/game-- with an ACC schedule no less.

Glass houses...

(02-14-2017 08:32 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 01:56 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 09:04 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 07:28 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  but but but Tech Savy said we only averaged 7,000 a game!?

These attendance figures represent conference games only. When you take in consideration our OOC games, UC's total attendance figure is ~9200/game.

Tech Savy is obviously an XU fan. It was easy to spot when he made a comment about our attendance, which is the one mark XU fans like to rub in our face because it is the only metric in which they exceed us (they average ~10K a game so it is not as if they are doubling us up or anything).

XU fans like to think because they average more butts in the seat for the random game that it is a sign of a larger fan base. While this is probably true in most instances, this is the exception to the rule. They get more people to their arena because of the quality of their venue plus the fact that XU is having the great 10-15 year run in school history. UC easily has more fans (many times over)-- our fans are just prefer to sit at home to watch the game on TV.

Georgia Tech****

You realize GT is averaging 5700/game-- with an ACC schedule no less.

Glass houses...

With major help from fans of the other team

(02-14-2017 05:44 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Here are the announced attendance rankings for AAC Conf Games:

1) Cincinnati: 11,317
2) Memphis: 10,267
3) UCONN: 7,880
4) SMU: 6,962
5) Temple: 5,440
6) UCF: 4,792
7) Tulsa: 4,502
8) ECU: 4,061
9) Houston: 3,972
10) USF: 2,713
11) Tulane: 1,483
--------------------------------------
Average: 5,796

Is Memphis reporting actuals or tickets sold?

(02-14-2017 08:32 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 01:56 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 09:04 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 07:28 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  but but but Tech Savy said we only averaged 7,000 a game!?

These attendance figures represent conference games only. When you take in consideration our OOC games, UC's total attendance figure is ~9200/game.

Tech Savy is obviously an XU fan. It was easy to spot when he made a comment about our attendance, which is the one mark XU fans like to rub in our face because it is the only metric in which they exceed us (they average ~10K a game so it is not as if they are doubling us up or anything).

XU fans like to think because they average more butts in the seat for the random game that it is a sign of a larger fan base. While this is probably true in most instances, this is the exception to the rule. They get more people to their arena because of the quality of their venue plus the fact that XU is having the great 10-15 year run in school history. UC easily has more fans (many times over)-- our fans are just prefer to sit at home to watch the game on TV.

Georgia Tech****

You realize GT is averaging 5700/game-- with an ACC schedule no less.

Glass houses...

this dude is either an XU fan mad that we totally squashed them this year and own the all time record by a wide margin or he's a angry Texas Tech fan.

Either way, he's got nothing on UC in basketball...our history is better than both of those schools combined in the ncaa.

So Houston people - How do you explain that SMU has roughly 2X your average attendance in a city (both with NBA teams) that is about the same size, but SMU has only 7400 total capacity in our building vs your larger building?