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RE: Idaho Asking State for Athletic Dept. Bailout
(02-14-2017 02:32 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-14-2017 02:11 PM)goofus Wrote:  
(02-14-2017 01:44 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(02-14-2017 11:43 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(02-14-2017 03:46 AM)goofus Wrote:  The state of Idaho should start thinking about tweaking the flagship status of its schools.

I really doubt there's a big plaque hanging in the U of ID president's office that says "Official Flagship University of the state of Idaho". And even if there was one, what does it matter?? Idaho gets less money from the state than Boise does, already.


Boise is a junior college, when it comes to research and academics, compared to Idaho and Washington State.

Thank you for tackling this for me. Buncha goofballs on message boards keep thinking you can just hang a "flagship" sign in front of the BSU campus and problem solved. The truth is, we are light years ahead of them academically and it would take a ridiculous investment for them to catch up. Idaho isn't really in the business of making ridiculous investments in education.

Why would it be ridiculous to invest in the state university that is in the part of the state where people actually live? Thw Boise area has grown to 600k+ people. Moscow has 25k. Nobody wants to move or travel to Moscow. Its a remote part of the state and Washington St University already has the area covered anyway Whats the point of having the #1 school in Idaho there? history? Stupid pride? Its not worth it. Time to do the state a favor and demote the school just like they demoted the football team.

So Illinois should move to Chicago.
Alabama to Birmingham.
Get Kansas out of Lawrence. Too Small
Penn State in State College? Sad.
Clemson? Move the college to Charleston.

And let's merge Iowa State and Iowa, move them to Des Moines.

Well, to be fair, Moscow is in the middle of nowhere. There is a difference even if the idea is silly, don't represent the geographical area.
02-15-2017 10:16 PM
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RE: Idaho Asking State for Athletic Dept. Bailout
(02-15-2017 08:08 PM)Bronco85 Wrote:  Judging by the response today at the ISBOE meeting and his switch from costs to competitiveness* as an excuse to drop down, it would seem simple accounting is not one of the strengths of your president, either. I would hate to think all that stood between UI and FBS was a $29.95 QuickBooks CD.

*(nice blow out of CSU in the bowl game, your "noncompetitive team" beat the Rams much worse than did BSU on the same field)

The costs argument has been blown out of the water 900 times by now, including by his own AD, and the fact that we went 9-4 and won a bowl game last year is poking a pretty big hole in the competitiveness argument. So mostly he's just gone silent. He didn't even come to the SBOE meeting today -- some poor finance guy had to stammer and lie for him.

And thanks for the bowl kudos. The fact is, we've had a lot of bad seasons in FBS but we've also had some good ones and there are a number of teams in the G5 who've had about our level of success on the field.
02-15-2017 10:37 PM
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RE: Idaho Asking State for Athletic Dept. Bailout
(02-15-2017 10:37 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 08:08 PM)Bronco85 Wrote:  Judging by the response today at the ISBOE meeting and his switch from costs to competitiveness* as an excuse to drop down, it would seem simple accounting is not one of the strengths of your president, either. I would hate to think all that stood between UI and FBS was a $29.95 QuickBooks CD.

*(nice blow out of CSU in the bowl game, your "noncompetitive team" beat the Rams much worse than did BSU on the same field)

The costs argument has been blown out of the water 900 times by now, including by his own AD, and the fact that we went 9-4 and won a bowl game last year is poking a pretty big hole in the competitiveness argument. So mostly he's just gone silent. He didn't even come to the SBOE meeting today -- some poor finance guy had to stammer and lie for him.

I saw that. I genuinely felt sorry for him. How do you send someone to ask for $4,000,000 dollars of bailout money and they literally have no hard numbers or financial data (or even soft projection numbers), no plan to balance the books, and have him start with a lie which he contradicts himself 4 sentences later? The board chair even appeared sorry for him.

And thanks for the bowl kudos. The fact is, we've had a lot of bad seasons in FBS but we've also had some good ones and there are a number of teams in the G5 who've had about our level of success on the field.

It is hard to see how UI won't be bowling next season. The schedule is arguably easier, the defense is finally playing well (the improvements in the secondary were incredible), and the returning senior quarterback is extremely good (although it is pretty thin behind him). The coaching stability is the best its been in a long time. The way the players and coaches have used the drop down as a rallying point rather than a reason to bail on the university is remarkable. I trust you Vandals are justifiably proud of them.
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02-16-2017 10:44 AM
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RE: Idaho Asking State for Athletic Dept. Bailout
(02-15-2017 01:48 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 01:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  But which other rivals are you talking about? Nevada, sure. But who else?

The Big Sky timeline from the 1960's to the 1990's shows that only Boise, Idaho, and Nevada left for FBS. Montana, Montana St, Idaho St, Weber St, N AZ, and E WA, are all still there.

BSU, Washington St. & Nevada are the big 3 in that order. Utah St. is also a good one. Besides Montana, Idaho fans never really had any interest in the other Big Sky schools. EWU was new to the conference when we left. The school is now trying to force that into a rivalry but it hasn't met with any real interest from the fanbase.

Montana will always be a good rival for UI. MSU and EWU could develop over time as they are truly regional and travel is not difficult. ISU? That is an odd case. They have never really been a rival for anyone. On the surface, they would seem to have an advantage over UI in that they are in a much bigger market (Pocatello/Idaho Falls) but that market goes to, in order, BYU, USU, BSU and then ISU. An FBS UI likely has at least as much media coverage in southeast Idaho as ISU. If BYU-I ever brings back athletics, interest in Bengal sports drops further. Maybe there might be some infinitesimal residual interest for nostalgic Idaho BSC fans in playing Weber in basketball or NAU. No Vandal fans really have any connection to PSU, the California schools, and will never care about SUU or UNC.

BSU has no regional rival anymore and is highly unlikely to ever develop a rivalry like the one with UI ever again. It was extremely intense and engaged the entire state. It guaranteed sell outs in the major sports (regardless or the records of either team) and created interest in the minor ones. It was feudal, territorial, and at times, downright nasty. The MWC divisions separated BSU from their only historical rival in the conference (Nevada) and the only developing rivalry they had (Fresno State). Both of those schools have other intense and in-state rivals. Maybe BYU becomes some sort of rivalry as it is played every year and the Utah series is not guaranteed. I guess USU or Wyoming might grow into a rivalry now that they finally have a victory over the Broncos. As long as BSU is winning, they will be a draw for other schools in the MWC. When BSU is down is when UI is really going to be missed.
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02-16-2017 11:26 AM
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RE: Idaho Asking State for Athletic Dept. Bailout
(02-16-2017 10:44 AM)Bronco85 Wrote:  It is hard to see how UI won't be bowling next season. The schedule is arguably easier, the defense is finally playing well (the improvements in the secondary were incredible), and the returning senior quarterback is extremely good (although it is pretty thin behind him). The coaching stability is the best its been in a long time. The way the players and coaches have used the drop down as a rallying point rather than a reason to bail on the university is remarkable. I trust you Vandals are justifiably proud of them.

When we drop to FCS I'm moving my athletic department contributions toward a statue of Paul Petrino spitting at a reporter outside the Kibbie Dome. What the coaches and players have done in the face of all this nonsense is incredible.
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