(02-18-2017 09:04 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Hart:

If you were one of our fans that has not been watching, then I would understand your negativity against Rowe. We all agree he was not a good hire based on his experience as a head coach. That doesn't mean he won't develop into a good head coach.

What impresses me about this team is how hard they play. This teams effort on the court has willed them to some wins. It is so obvious what they are missing...Curry! They need an all CAA caliber point guard who can hit the outside jumper, penetrate and not turn the ball over.

This team has been in almost every game with five minutes left. They then turn it over multiple trips down the floor without getting a shot off. The lack of a player who can handle the ball and find the open man when defensive pressure is elevated late in games is killing this team. What we saw in the last minutes of regulation Thursday has been repeated in every close loss this year. The difference Thursday was the guys gutted out the win despite falling apart in the waning minutes of regulation.

I give these guys a lot of credit. They want to win. Their coach is continuing to motivate them and not giving up on the season even after injuries depleted his starting line up. Rowe can't change the talent level and perhaps there is more he could do in the way of X's and O's but from what I see, he is making the most of what he has.

that right there is the problem with this team this season.

Seems to me Rowe wants to play a Calipari style dribble drive offense. But we have no one on the team who is a natural or even that good at doing that.

if rowe is at fault for anything this year, it was demanding and expecting his team to play that style when they are just completely ill suited for it. Square peg in a round hole.

next year with Mosely and some freshmen guards coming in, that presumably can handle the ball, we will have a better indication of where this program is headed under Rowe.

Until then, we shouldn't be happy about the season we've had, but it is what it is. Changes sometimes are not smooth. gotta let it play out for a couple seasons.

You guys played well and deserved the win on balance, especially given how the Dukes played in the first half. The key for W&M, Elon, Northeastern and JMU is to not finish 7th. I see no chance for any CAA school to win 4 in a row in Charleston. Given the fact that the Tribe cannot win against a high school team on the road, we probably will lose tonight. Then, we will need to win a game or two at home. I think if the Dukes win tonight, they have a good shot to get to 6th or maybe even 5th. Our wins over UNCW and COC will probably help us with tiebreakers. But Northeastern is the team both the Tribe and the Dukes need to finish ahead of.

BTW, we blew out most of the league at home. You guys could have easily won in Williamsburg and have very few big losses in conference play. Given injuries, I think Rowe has done a good job, not that my opinion matters. I think 6-9 is about the worst record you could have given how the team has performed. I definitely think both the Tribe and the Dukes can win a game in Charleston. However, I am not sure either has enough to win on Monday this year.

I agree with what's been stated here.They try hard and or seems like some of these guys have actually been coached up to play above their prior displays of talent level. Lukic is exhibit A on that. And coaches who played like to coach the way they played. Rowe was a swing man who played tough defense, was a great rebounder and drove the ball to the basket.

(02-18-2017 09:13 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 09:04 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Hart:

If you were one of our fans that has not been watching, then I would understand your negativity against Rowe. We all agree he was not a good hire based on his experience as a head coach. That doesn't mean he won't develop into a good head coach.

What impresses me about this team is how hard they play. This teams effort on the court has willed them to some wins. It is so obvious what they are missing...Curry! They need an all CAA caliber point guard who can hit the outside jumper, penetrate and not turn the ball over.

This team has been in almost every game with five minutes left. They then turn it over multiple trips down the floor without getting a shot off. The lack of a player who can handle the ball and find the open man when defensive pressure is elevated late in games is killing this team. What we saw in the last minutes of regulation Thursday has been repeated in every close loss this year. The difference Thursday was the guys gutted out the win despite falling apart in the waning minutes of regulation.

I give these guys a lot of credit. They want to win. Their coach is continuing to motivate them and not giving up on the season even after injuries depleted his starting line up. Rowe can't change the talent level and perhaps there is more he could do in the way of X's and O's but from what I see, he is making the most of what he has.

that right there is the problem with this team this season.

Seems to me Rowe wants to play a Calipari style dribble drive offense. But we have no one on the team who is a natural or even that good at doing that.

if rowe is at fault for anything this year, it was demanding and expecting his team to play that style when they are just completely ill suited for it. Square peg in a round hole.

next year with Mosely and some freshmen guards coming in, that presumably can handle the ball, we will have a better indication of where this program is headed under Rowe.

Until then, we shouldn't be happy about the season we've had, but it is what it is. Changes sometimes are not smooth. gotta let it play out for a couple seasons.

People make it sound easy by saying Rowe is encouraging them to drive and coaching them away from open 3s but folks don't mention that without a talent like Curry on the perimeter teams push the Dukes out past the 3 point line where they have trouble getting around guys and creating space due to their lack of a playmaker.

McLean at times can do that but sometimes he is too diminutive to get past guys without turning it over and he's rarely looking to pass in those situations. He had a great game against W&M but some may be due to the fact that the W&M PG is small like Joey. Against bigger guards like the ones UNCW or COC has those lanes may not be there for him.

Kent has gotten a lot better at driving to the basket and finishing or at least getting fouled this year. He's been effective offensively this year from 3 and from 2. I honestly don't think there are more 3s to be had with this personnel. Some guys are getting them and not pulling the trigger. Dimitri up until the last couple of games for whatever reason, Holmes all season has had open 3 looks that he has never taken, same with Snowden. That's not Rowe telling them not to take the shots that are open as part of the offense that he runs. A guy like Grays would have pulled the trigger on them and obviously Curry would have created his own (many times the last couple of years after 25-30 seconds of merry go round when the great offense you speak of was stagnant).

I think one valid criticism is the players brought in or not brought in this year. Rowe should have known about the personnel and the weaknesses and Holmes really is a ways off. I'm hopeful he can show us something more down the stretch to build on as maybe a 3rd guard next year.

(02-18-2017 09:04 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Hart:

If you were one of our fans that has not been watching, then I would understand your negativity against Rowe. We all agree he was not a good hire based on his experience as a head coach. That doesn't mean he won't develop into a good head coach.

What impresses me about this team is how hard they play. This teams effort on the court has willed them to some wins. It is so obvious what they are missing...Curry! They need an all CAA caliber point guard who can hit the outside jumper, penetrate and not turn the ball over.

This team has been in almost every game with five minutes left. They then turn it over multiple trips down the floor without getting a shot off. The lack of a player who can handle the ball and find the open man when defensive pressure is elevated late in games is killing this team. What we saw in the last minutes of regulation Thursday has been repeated in every close loss this year. The difference Thursday was the guys gutted out the win despite falling apart in the waning minutes of regulation.

I give these guys a lot of credit. They want to win. Their coach is continuing to motivate them and not giving up on the season even after injuries depleted his starting line up. Rowe can't change the talent level and perhaps there is more he could do in the way of X's and O's but from what I see, he is making the most of what he has.

"We all agree"...count me out on that one. I agree with the sentiment of your reply, but I've said all along that it is too early to judge HCLR and he will be judged as to whether he is a good or bad hire after Year 3. At this point, any label of good or bad hire is unfounded.

(02-18-2017 10:16 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 09:13 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 09:04 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Hart:

If you were one of our fans that has not been watching, then I would understand your negativity against Rowe. We all agree he was not a good hire based on his experience as a head coach. That doesn't mean he won't develop into a good head coach.

What impresses me about this team is how hard they play. This teams effort on the court has willed them to some wins. It is so obvious what they are missing...Curry! They need an all CAA caliber point guard who can hit the outside jumper, penetrate and not turn the ball over.

This team has been in almost every game with five minutes left. They then turn it over multiple trips down the floor without getting a shot off. The lack of a player who can handle the ball and find the open man when defensive pressure is elevated late in games is killing this team. What we saw in the last minutes of regulation Thursday has been repeated in every close loss this year. The difference Thursday was the guys gutted out the win despite falling apart in the waning minutes of regulation.

I give these guys a lot of credit. They want to win. Their coach is continuing to motivate them and not giving up on the season even after injuries depleted his starting line up. Rowe can't change the talent level and perhaps there is more he could do in the way of X's and O's but from what I see, he is making the most of what he has.

that right there is the problem with this team this season.

Seems to me Rowe wants to play a Calipari style dribble drive offense. But we have no one on the team who is a natural or even that good at doing that.

if rowe is at fault for anything this year, it was demanding and expecting his team to play that style when they are just completely ill suited for it. Square peg in a round hole.

next year with Mosely and some freshmen guards coming in, that presumably can handle the ball, we will have a better indication of where this program is headed under Rowe.

Until then, we shouldn't be happy about the season we've had, but it is what it is. Changes sometimes are not smooth. gotta let it play out for a couple seasons.

People make it sound easy by saying Rowe is encouraging them to drive and coaching them away from open 3s but folks don't mention that without a talent like Curry on the perimeter teams push the Dukes out past the 3 point line where they have trouble getting around guys and creating space due to their lack of a playmaker.

McLean at times can do that but sometimes he is too diminutive to get past guys without turning it over and he's rarely looking to pass in those situations. He had a great game against W&M but some may be due to the fact that the W&M PG is small like Joey. Against bigger guards like the ones UNCW or COC has those lanes may not be there for him.

Kent has gotten a lot better at driving to the basket and finishing or at least getting fouled this year. He's been effective offensively this year from 3 and from 2. I honestly don't think there are more 3s to be had with this personnel. Some guys are getting them and not pulling the trigger. Dimitri up until the last couple of games for whatever reason, Holmes all season has had open 3 looks that he has never taken, same with Snowden. That's not Rowe telling them not to take the shots that are open as part of the offense that he runs. A guy like Grays would have pulled the trigger on them and obviously Curry would have created his own (many times the last couple of years after 25-30 seconds of merry go round when the great offense you speak of was stagnant).

I think one valid criticism is the players brought in or not brought in this year. Rowe should have known about the personnel and the weaknesses and Holmes really is a ways off. I'm hopeful he can show us something more down the stretch to build on as maybe a 3rd guard next year.

If you have listened to any of Rowe's interviews he has said that he wants players to be aggressive and attack the basket. It isn't making it sound easy. It's what he wants to see and it's the style of offense he wants to play. Basketball is an inside/out sport. If you can't get to the basket, nobody is going to respect that aspect of your game and leave players open for 3 point shots.

Wear Purple:

You and I do agree. What I am saying stated another way this time is that on paper, Rowe did not have the experience for anyone to conclude that he was going to be a good head coach. The only way we will have to judge is based on what he does at JMU.

No one should be happy with this year but I personally am not surprised for the reasons I and many others have previously stated. Curry or someone like him was needed for us to win 20 games.

We all think Lou is a good recruiter and JMU is not a tough place to recruit to so I am hopeful next year will be a better year. Until then, I am not going to bash a team that plays hard and players who have conducted themselves well during their time at JMU.

It would be nice if we could have a good showing on Senior day and somehow this team could get to 10 wins.

(02-20-2017 07:52 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Wear Purple:

You and I do agree. What I am saying stated another way this time is that on paper, Rowe did not have the experience for anyone to conclude that he was going to be a good head coach. The only way we will have to judge is based on what he does at JMU.

No one should be happy with this year but I personally am not surprised for the reasons I and many others have previously stated. Curry or someone like him was needed for us to win 20 games.

We all think Lou is a good recruiter and JMU is not a tough place to recruit to so I am hopeful next year will be a better year. Until then, I am not going to bash a team that plays hard and players who have conducted themselves well during their time at JMU.

It would be nice if we could have a good showing on Senior day and somehow this team could get to 10 wins.

If what Nation is saying is that when you hire an assistant coach to be the head coach there is going to be an element of risk I would obviously agree. I would slightly disagree with the statement that it is easy to recruit to JMU. The convo is a dump and we don't have a practice facility. When you bring recruits on campus this is not a deal breaker but it is certainly part of most recruits decision making algorithms. Ask Kenny Brooks if he lost any recruits over the years because of the convo. Does anybody think that the football facilities don't give us a huge recruiting advantage. If recruiting visits were two weeks I am sure we would have a great advantage but for one night kids are going to go to an off campus party and there will good looking girls at that party. With a two week visit the recruits would discover that with the exception of JMU the only pretty girls on campus were probably at that party.