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RE: NC State to fire Gottfired at end of season
Yow is retiring soon. Do you wanna go work for a new AD who didnt hire you?
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RE: NC State to fire Gottfired at end of season
(02-14-2017 02:54 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Yow is retiring soon. Do you wanna go work for a new AD who didnt hire you?

Probably better not knowing than knowing what Yow is!
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RE: NC State to fire Gottfired at end of season
(02-14-2017 03:40 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Probably better not knowing than knowing what Yow is!

Definitely take the devil you don't know over the devil you do.
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RE: NC State to fire Gottfired at end of season
(02-14-2017 03:41 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(02-14-2017 03:40 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Probably better not knowing than knowing what Yow is!

Definitely take the devil you don't know over the devil you do.

agree, Worst case you wind up with someone as bad as Yow, but really good chance it can only get better as far as that's concerned.
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RE: NC State to fire Gottfired at end of season
But my point is AD's tend to like to own their money sport picks. When the AD prior to Peg Bradley-Doppes went to Richmond, Wainwright went to Richmond. Peg Bradley-Doppes was made AD and she got Brownell right away. Brownell was in a great spot until the overblown swimming incident and the Chancellor at the time using that to run off Bradley-Doppes. The new AD and Brownell immediately clashed and we all know what happened next.

The way things are, the AD's need to own the money sport coaching picks because their job is on the line as well if they don't go well.
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(02-14-2017 03:57 PM)solohawks Wrote:  But my point is AD's tend to like to own their money sport picks. When the AD prior to Peg Bradley-Doppes went to Richmond, Wainwright went to Richmond. Peg Bradley-Doppes was made AD and she got Brownell right away. Brownell was in a great spot until the overblown swimming incident and the Chancellor at the time using that to run off Bradley-Doppes. The new AD and Brownell immediately clashed and we all know what happened next.

The way things are, the AD's need to own the money sport coaching picks because their job is on the line as well if they don't go well.

I see your point, but still you are talking about going from a good AD, to a crappy one. Not what is likely to Happen at State.
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RE: NC State to fire Gottfired at end of season
(02-14-2017 02:08 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(02-14-2017 11:53 AM)82hawk Wrote:  There is no guarantee that their replacements can replicate their success, and the can't coach forever.

There is no guarantee, but they're both top 4 programs all-time. Carolina's success pre-dates Dean Smith, as does Duke's with Coach K. You can't point to one successful era of NCSU basketball and reach the conclusion that it is an attractive job and then ignore the superior history of UNC and Duke. The greatest indicator of future success is past results.

The difference between Carolina and Duke, and NCSU is that they can reach out to essentially any coach they like and land the coach they want. State has been turned down by Rick Barnes, John Calipari, John Brady,John Beilein, Steve Lavin (he wasn't even in coaching at the time and later accepted a job at SJU), Shaka Smart Gregg Marshall and Sean Miller in recent history.

(02-14-2017 12:49 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  At some point State will turn this around and become a relevant player again at the national level.

Based on what?

(02-14-2017 12:49 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  The naysayers are mostly people who don't know anything about NCSU other than what they read on a board or hear on ESPN radio.


Consider me a naysayer. What have I said that is factually incorrect? Did they, or did they not run Sendek out of town because incessant criticism by Wolfpack fans who wanted a more charismatic coach who could consistently beat Duke and North Carolina? Did he, or did he not inherit an awful mess from Robinson? Sendek took NCSU to five consecutive NCAA tournaments, but beating Carolina and Duke was always going to be his measuring stick.

I know you confuse fact and opinion often, but there are undeniable facts about NCSU that don't suggest it's a "great job". They haven't won a conference title in basketball since 1989, and since that year, they have suffered at least 10 losses in EVERY season. You can't look back at 1974 and say "that's who we are" when the past 30 years suggest quite the opposite.

"In coaching circles, the N.C. State job was viewed as one with pitfalls, not the least of which was regular comparisons to Duke and Carolina."

The past two coaching searches support everything I've said.


(02-14-2017 12:49 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Not a State fan but I do have respect for the school and the history they have in basketball.


What do you respect most about NCSU basketball?

NCSU has 2 NCAA basketball championships .multiple Final 4's. 25 NCAA appearances,many ACC Championships-tourney and regular season. The history is there,the fan base is supportive,money is there to back up the support from young and older fans. Not sure how long you have been around ACC basketball but NCSU has been great to good most of the time. We all know that you can cherry pick the bad times and try to run them in the ground but its not the whole history. I am damn sure that both Miller and Keatts are keenly aware of what is happening there and know the history. The good out weighs the bad . I don't think Keatts will be the guy there but if he is I think he will do a great job for them-no reason to doubt the guy IMO.
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NC State to fire Gottfired at end of season
(02-14-2017 05:41 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(02-14-2017 02:08 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(02-14-2017 11:53 AM)82hawk Wrote:  There is no guarantee that their replacements can replicate their success, and the can't coach forever.

There is no guarantee, but they're both top 4 programs all-time. Carolina's success pre-dates Dean Smith, as does Duke's with Coach K. You can't point to one successful era of NCSU basketball and reach the conclusion that it is an attractive job and then ignore the superior history of UNC and Duke. The greatest indicator of future success is past results.

The difference between Carolina and Duke, and NCSU is that they can reach out to essentially any coach they like and land the coach they want. State has been turned down by Rick Barnes, John Calipari, John Brady,John Beilein, Steve Lavin (he wasn't even in coaching at the time and later accepted a job at SJU), Shaka Smart Gregg Marshall and Sean Miller in recent history.

(02-14-2017 12:49 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  At some point State will turn this around and become a relevant player again at the national level.

Based on what?

(02-14-2017 12:49 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  The naysayers are mostly people who don't know anything about NCSU other than what they read on a board or hear on ESPN radio.


Consider me a naysayer. What have I said that is factually incorrect? Did they, or did they not run Sendek out of town because incessant criticism by Wolfpack fans who wanted a more charismatic coach who could consistently beat Duke and North Carolina? Did he, or did he not inherit an awful mess from Robinson? Sendek took NCSU to five consecutive NCAA tournaments, but beating Carolina and Duke was always going to be his measuring stick.

I know you confuse fact and opinion often, but there are undeniable facts about NCSU that don't suggest it's a "great job". They haven't won a conference title in basketball since 1989, and since that year, they have suffered at least 10 losses in EVERY season. You can't look back at 1974 and say "that's who we are" when the past 30 years suggest quite the opposite.

"In coaching circles, the N.C. State job was viewed as one with pitfalls, not the least of which was regular comparisons to Duke and Carolina."

The past two coaching searches support everything I've said.


(02-14-2017 12:49 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Not a State fan but I do have respect for the school and the history they have in basketball.


What do you respect most about NCSU basketball?

NCSU has 2 NCAA basketball championships .multiple Final 4's. 25 NCAA appearances,many ACC Championships-tourney and regular season. The history is there,the fan base is supportive,money is there to back up the support from young and older fans. Not sure how long you have been around ACC basketball but NCSU has been great to good most of the time. We all know that you can cherry pick the bad times and try to run them in the ground but its not the whole history. I am damn sure that both Miller and Keatts are keenly aware of what is happening there and know the history. The good out weighs the bad . I don't think Keatts will be the guy there but if he is I think he will do a great job for them-no reason to doubt the guy IMO.

It's not hard to cherry pick bad seasons for NCSU. They've been the majority of the last 30 years. That's what he's telling you. Yes, they have history, but all the good years were 30+ years ago.
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RE: NC State to fire Gottfired at end of season
1987...the last time NC state won an ACC tournament.

I was not even 2 years old. A whole generation has grown up without experiencing a major tournament championship
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RE: NC State to fire Gottfired at end of season
University of SF has 2 NCAA basketball championships and multiple Final 4's too. Looking back over the last 30 seasons is far from cherry picking; not even NCSU fans believe that BS. State hasn't been "great" since 1973 and 1974. 1983 was a fluke; a national championship for sure, but that was hardly a great team.

You can't say that they were good to great during the Sendek era, and then say they have great and supportive fans. You can be damn sure that coaches have seen how NCSU fans treat their coaches, and how they evaluate success (beating UNC & Duke)

A majority of today's high school kids name LeBron as the GOAT because they never saw Jordan play in college or pro. I can assure you that there isn't a single high profile athlete that looks at State as a great program. Chris Corchiani was a senior in high school the last time NCSU won a ACC tournament. His son is a junior on State's team this season. That's not cherry picking; NCSU isn't relevant.
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