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RE: NC State to fire Gottfired at end of season
One thing is certain, NCSU coaching searches are great entertainment for all.
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RE: NC State to fire Gottfired at end of season
(02-14-2017 11:32 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  One thing is certain, NCSU coaching searches are great entertainment for all.

"Maybe Syracuse will fire Jim Boeheim. Or how about Bob Knight, you guys?"
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RE: NC State to fire Gottfired at end of season
(02-14-2017 11:42 AM)82hawk Wrote:  http://www.backingthepack.com/2017/2/14/...wilmington

Quote:Would he take the job if offered?

Yes. Aside from all the obvious stuff (budget, league, salary, etc.), Keatts has a thin team that will lose several rotation players after this season. This would be a good time for him to sell high.

Oh sweet, glad we have that cleared up. Yes, he'd definitely take the job if offered. Because this guy is clearly an insider and stuff and knows a lot about what talent we have coming in.

NC State fans: Completely delusional and irrational.
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RE: NC State to fire Gottfired at end of season
(02-14-2017 07:42 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(02-14-2017 06:31 AM)82hawk Wrote:  A style that could actually compete with Duke and Carolina.

This is precisely State's problem. As an athletic department, they haven't won a revenue sport CONFERENCE championship since 1989, but their fans and admin think they should compete with Duke and Carolina. Sendek turned around the program following the Les Robinson debacle, went to 5 straight NCAA tournaments, including a S16 run in '05. He couldn't beat Carolina and Duke consistently, so the fan base withdrew from the program, and he bolted for a parallel job. Carolina and Duke are two of the all-time top 4 programs in CBB. There isn't a team that has consistently beaten Carolina or Duke, so why go to a program that has Blue Blood expectations, when they're more closely aligned to GT, WFU, UVa?

As a young coach, NCSU seems like the quickest route to an assistant's chair in 4-5 years.


Ahhh. But Duke and UNC have the same problem....OLD COACHES. And we've seen what happens at both schools without them. Duke completely falls apart when Coach K isn't on the bench, and UNC fell apart after the Dean retired. There is no guarantee that their replacements can replicate their success, and the can't coach forever.

Roy is 66 and Coach K just turned 70. Boeheim is 72 and Pitino is 66. As these guys retire, a guy like Keatts could take a NCSU squad with at least some history of success and become the next ACC powerhouse. Maybe. But, it may be worth the risk for NCSU if Miller doesn't make the move.
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RE: NC State to fire Gottfired at end of season
(02-14-2017 11:42 AM)82hawk Wrote:  http://www.backingthepack.com/2017/2/14/...wilmington
7. Do his teams actually play, what is this thing called, "defense"?

Wellllll ... no. This is a problem, though his track record is so brief it is difficult to make any concrete conclusions. In his first year, Wilmington ranked 134th in defensive efficiency. Last year they were 111th, this year they are 178th



that was very interesting to me 03-banghead
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RE: NC State to fire Gottfired at end of season
To be sure NCSU has reached out to Miller and Keatts through a second party to gauge interest in the job. At some point State will turn this around and become a relevant player again at the national level. I don't think the fan base is out of line in thinking that they should compete. They have everything a coach could could dream of already in place to make it happen. It is a good job and could be a great job for the right coach. The naysayers are mostly people who don't know anything about NCSU other than what they read on a board or hear on ESPN radio. The place could be special again and very quickly. Not a State fan but I do have respect for the school and the history they have in basketball.
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(02-14-2017 11:53 AM)82hawk Wrote:  There is no guarantee that their replacements can replicate their success, and the can't coach forever.

There is no guarantee, but they're both top 4 programs all-time. Carolina's success pre-dates Dean Smith, as does Duke's with Coach K. You can't point to one successful era of NCSU basketball and reach the conclusion that it is an attractive job and then ignore the superior history of UNC and Duke. The greatest indicator of future success is past results.

The difference between Carolina and Duke, and NCSU is that they can reach out to essentially any coach they like and land the coach they want. State has been turned down by Rick Barnes, John Calipari, John Brady,John Beilein, Steve Lavin (he wasn't even in coaching at the time and later accepted a job at SJU), Shaka Smart Gregg Marshall and Sean Miller in recent history.

(02-14-2017 12:49 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  At some point State will turn this around and become a relevant player again at the national level.

Based on what?

(02-14-2017 12:49 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  The naysayers are mostly people who don't know anything about NCSU other than what they read on a board or hear on ESPN radio.


Consider me a naysayer. What have I said that is factually incorrect? Did they, or did they not run Sendek out of town because incessant criticism by Wolfpack fans who wanted a more charismatic coach who could consistently beat Duke and North Carolina? Did he, or did he not inherit an awful mess from Robinson? Sendek took NCSU to five consecutive NCAA tournaments, but beating Carolina and Duke was always going to be his measuring stick.

I know you confuse fact and opinion often, but there are undeniable facts about NCSU that don't suggest it's a "great job". They haven't won a conference title in basketball since 1989, and since that year, they have suffered at least 10 losses in EVERY season. You can't look back at 1974 and say "that's who we are" when the past 30 years suggest quite the opposite.

"In coaching circles, the N.C. State job was viewed as one with pitfalls, not the least of which was regular comparisons to Duke and Carolina."

The past two coaching searches support everything I've said.


(02-14-2017 12:49 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Not a State fan but I do have respect for the school and the history they have in basketball.


What do you respect most about NCSU basketball?
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(02-14-2017 11:47 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Oh sweet, glad we have that cleared up. Yes, he'd definitely take the job if offered. Because this guy is clearly an insider and stuff and knows a lot about what talent we have coming in.

NC State fans: Completely delusional and irrational.

Based on their past coaching searches, we should feel empowered that he's high on their list. History suggests multiple coaches will use them for raises and then politely pass.
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(02-14-2017 11:17 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Current poll at State Fans Nation asks 2nd choice of four coaches who aren't Archie Miller asking who they would prefer.

Keatts 47% with 37 votes
Andy Enfield USC - 26% with 20 votes
Joe Dooley FGCU - 15% with 12 votes
Will Wade VCU - 12% with 9 votes.

http://www.statefansnation.com/

Archie Miller was on Herb Sendek's staff when he realized that he was no longer welcome. Also, Debbie Yow has a terrible reputation in coaching circles. Both of those factors have to concern NCSU fans.

Keatts could get a huge raise, but it's not a good career move IMO, and I'm not certain about Dooley and Wade. But, I want to point out how ridiculous NCSU fans are when they mention USC. It suggests, as a fan base, they had no self-evaluation following the previous two coaching search failures. What possible advantage does NCSU offer that USC doesn't? To me, it's laughable that Enfield would consider the NCSU opening.

I said earlier, I think Archie would be a great hire for NCSU. If that falls through, they're in trouble.
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