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RE: Group of Five Playoff Idea not going away
(02-13-2017 04:51 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  The very real fact is that some G5 football programs spend closer to FCS than P5. On the other hand, some G5 spend closer to P5 than FCS.


Don't think you can unify all of G5 around this idea. Only those that want to be FBS, without spending P5 level money, but want to make sure they're still better than FCS.

G5 fall into three categories. About 5 are spending to get in the P5. Cincy, Houston, BYU, and UConn (because of Basketball budget) are in that group. I left a 5th one open, even though nobody really qualifies. They are all running heavy "strategic" deficits, like Rutgers did in the hope of crossing over (BYU a different animal). These programs are throwing in excess of $100m in the next 6-7 years at it, above high mid-majors, but without any additional revenue to speak of (save UConn Basketball).

A second group spends high mid-major, about 75-85% of the bottom P5 schools (Washington State who are undre orders from the Pac-12 to pick it up). Schools like Boise State, Memphis, the directional Florida schools, SDSU, SMU, and a half dozen others fall into this category. The deficits run in the $15m range annually, Boise State does the best froma budget standpoint.

Most (I'd say roughly 35 schools) spend about $30m a year give or take $5m, and run a deficit of $10-15m made up in student fees or indirectly through tuition or tax money via institutional transfers. (Worst case is probably EMU)

There re around ten bottom budget schools that are closer to FCS, many in the SBC (ULM stands out).

NIU speaks for the ~35-40 schools in the middle and lower. Aresco speaks for the ~15-20 at the top (basically the AAC and half a dozen others).

Posters from UConn, Cincy, Houstin, who are among the "dreamers" group and want to cross over to P5 absolutely don't want a hard division. And they have enough clout to block it even if the money were there. But looking at it long term, as in ten years from now or so, Frazier is right. By then I expect the P5 to have realigned a little, chipping off 2or 3 B12, and 3 to 5 G5 "dreamers" getting their wish to cross over. But then the door will be closed, and the debts payments due. With the dreamers diminished as a group (either made the promised land or busted trying) the division will be complete. Then Frazier's view will carry the day. He is just speaking a decade early.

As for expanding the playoff, it would do nothing for the G5. All that would do is put 5 P5 in automatically as conference champions, and 3 at-large which would always go to P5 schools. G5 would get a NY6 slot only, just like now.
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Group of Five Playoff Idea not going away
Not 10 years from now, I think more like 3 years
02-13-2017 07:50 PM
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RE: Group of Five Playoff Idea not going away
So...Doubling down on the idea now.
I agree there isn't going to be a G5 playoff, however, if he and other schools drop down to FCS, that will give the NCAA more leverage to up the price of broadcasting the FCS playoffs. Sure some of the support will be lower, but having more schools like NIU that are at the top of the FCS only beefs up that division.
Maybe the whole conference wants to be a FCS division. They still are a D1 conference for basketball so that revenue isn't going away.

As I have mentioned, once Idaho moves down, they will not be the last.
02-13-2017 08:25 PM
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MWC thinks they are P6 conference as well which is why most of them also applied to the Big 12.
02-13-2017 08:40 PM
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Maybe I'm wrong here, but has anyone realized that this Stugray2 character is troll of another conference not related to tosu or SJSU? The phrases he uses are incorrect and the way that he speaks of "g5" conferences and teams is amateurish at best and appear to be from a "bball" only perspective. The topics that he rehashes are old,tired and decidely stupid from actual football centric conference fans. But hey maybe I'm wrong07-coffee307-coffee3
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RE: Group of Five Playoff Idea not going away
This won't "go away" because lots of people have a vested interest in continuing to talk about it. The fact that nobody actually wants it to happen except the people doing the talking doesn't seem to matter. I am sure that if you put this to a vote of all the G5 conferences, they would all, without exception, overwhelmingly say no. As well they should.

But there are a lot of delusional fans out there with visions of the G5 achieving its "rightful place" in the college football world, never realizing that it probably already has. And they have devices that they click whenever some "reporter" (read glorified blogger) panders to the delusion.
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02-13-2017 09:11 PM
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Fencing yourself off in the sandy area isn't good.
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No
02-13-2017 09:25 PM
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(02-13-2017 09:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Fencing yourself off in the sandy area isn't good.

You should be saying the same thing about yourself p5... dude...
Let that sink in...
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(02-13-2017 10:07 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(02-13-2017 09:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Fencing yourself off in the sandy area isn't good.

You should be saying the same thing about yourself p5... dude...
Let that sink in...

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Bless your heart...
02-13-2017 10:20 PM
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