(02-14-2017 10:21 AM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 09:57 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 09:18 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Tiger basketball HAS to get back on track fast.

Tiger basketball has to do with the drop in enrollment in 2010. Bold thinking.

The recreational center is build with student fees not athletic revenue.

Don't student fees subsidize the athletic program?

"Without the benefit of major conference affiliation, where shared revenue is approaching or has surpassed $30 million per school at Power Five programs, Memphis must rely on institutional support. Last year, the U of M received $8.7 million in direct institutional support, $7.6 million in student fees and $1.9 million in indirect institutional support."
http://sports.usatoday.com/2016/04/17/te...ool-money/

Take that $7.6 million and put it towards the rec center. Make Tom Bowen and his fundraisers earn their pay.

We are a poor school in a poor city. Is what it is.

(02-14-2017 10:30 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  We are a poor school in a poor city. Is what it is.

stupid thinking.

When a student is considering their college choice, the rec center is a showcase item and will be remembered in their deliberation. The sizzle when it comes to the steak, if you will. Want more students? Want more students to live on or near campus? Build it (right) and they will come.

Delayed gratification is a good lesson to learn.

(02-14-2017 11:48 AM)mphsfan Wrote:  When a student is considering their college choice, the rec center is a showcase item and will be remembered in their deliberation. The sizzle when it comes to the steak, if you will. Want more students? Want more students to live on or near campus? Build it (right) and they will come.

Delayed gratification is a good lesson to learn.

Rec centers are nice, but I'm not sure that's how to best spend your $ to move up in the US News college rankings.

(02-14-2017 03:40 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 11:48 AM)mphsfan Wrote:  When a student is considering their college choice, the rec center is a showcase item and will be remembered in their deliberation. The sizzle when it comes to the steak, if you will. Want more students? Want more students to live on or near campus? Build it (right) and they will come.

Delayed gratification is a good lesson to learn.

Rec centers are nice, but I'm not sure that's how to best spend your $ to move up in the US News college rankings.

Funding for a rec center and funding for academic facilities and infrastructure come from different sources. It's likely not a choice between funding a rec center instead of funding a biology research facility. The timing of those buildings could be related though when the academic facility is paid for in part of whole through private sources that are paid over time in order to repay construction bomds. It sounds like some of the issue at play here is the level of debt the school is taking on by initiating multiple large projects at once. To some degree the rec center delay could even be related to the IPF in that regard. I believe Rudd has said a new funding model for the IPF will be presented at one of the first board meetings.

A fancy new rec center can indirectly affect academic rankings in that student facilities of that caliber make the university more attractive to higher caliber students which is part of the ranking system.

(02-14-2017 10:25 AM)HobosHeroesStCornerClowns Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 10:21 AM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 09:57 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 09:18 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Tiger basketball HAS to get back on track fast.

Tiger basketball has to do with the drop in enrollment in 2010. Bold thinking.

The recreational center is build with student fees not athletic revenue.

Don't student fees subsidize the athletic program?

"Without the benefit of major conference affiliation, where shared revenue is approaching or has surpassed $30 million per school at Power Five programs, Memphis must rely on institutional support. Last year, the U of M received $8.7 million in direct institutional support, $7.6 million in student fees and $1.9 million in indirect institutional support."
http://sports.usatoday.com/2016/04/17/te...ool-money/

Take that $7.6 million and put it towards the rec center. Make Tom Bowen and his fundraisers earn their pay.

They have

(02-14-2017 03:40 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 11:48 AM)mphsfan Wrote:  When a student is considering their college choice, the rec center is a showcase item and will be remembered in their deliberation. The sizzle when it comes to the steak, if you will. Want more students? Want more students to live on or near campus? Build it (right) and they will come.

Delayed gratification is a good lesson to learn.

Rec centers are nice, but I'm not sure that's how to best spend your $ to move up in the US News college rankings.

I don't think they care that much about US News. It's rating system is stack against a University with our demographics. It didn't help St. Joseph's from closing. [1] So much for the #28 in Regional Colleges Midwest. [2]

Higher Education is changing. Rudd seems like he has a handle on how it's changing. But yeah, we need to keep enrollment up.

[1]- https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017...and-behind
[2]- http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...diana-1833

(02-14-2017 08:07 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 03:40 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 11:48 AM)mphsfan Wrote:  When a student is considering their college choice, the rec center is a showcase item and will be remembered in their deliberation. The sizzle when it comes to the steak, if you will. Want more students? Want more students to live on or near campus? Build it (right) and they will come.

Delayed gratification is a good lesson to learn.

Rec centers are nice, but I'm not sure that's how to best spend your $ to move up in the US News college rankings.

I don't think they care that much about US News. It's rating system is stack against a University with our demographics. It didn't help St. Joseph's from closing. [1] So much for the #28 in Regional Colleges Midwest. [2]

Higher Education is changing. Rudd seems like he has a handle on how it's changing. But yeah, we need to keep enrollment up.

[1]- https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017...and-behind
[2]- http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...diana-1833

#28. Regional Colleges. A tragic loss.

(02-14-2017 08:56 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 08:07 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 03:40 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 11:48 AM)mphsfan Wrote:  When a student is considering their college choice, the rec center is a showcase item and will be remembered in their deliberation. The sizzle when it comes to the steak, if you will. Want more students? Want more students to live on or near campus? Build it (right) and they will come.

Delayed gratification is a good lesson to learn.

Rec centers are nice, but I'm not sure that's how to best spend your $ to move up in the US News college rankings.

I don't think they care that much about US News. It's rating system is stack against a University with our demographics. It didn't help St. Joseph's from closing. [1] So much for the #28 in Regional Colleges Midwest. [2]

Higher Education is changing. Rudd seems like he has a handle on how it's changing. But yeah, we need to keep enrollment up.

[1]- https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017...and-behind
[2]- http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...diana-1833

#28. Regional Colleges. A tragic loss.

Like reading Lindy's for basketball.

(02-14-2017 08:59 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 08:56 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 08:07 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 03:40 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 11:48 AM)mphsfan Wrote:  When a student is considering their college choice, the rec center is a showcase item and will be remembered in their deliberation. The sizzle when it comes to the steak, if you will. Want more students? Want more students to live on or near campus? Build it (right) and they will come.

Delayed gratification is a good lesson to learn.

Rec centers are nice, but I'm not sure that's how to best spend your $ to move up in the US News college rankings.

I don't think they care that much about US News. It's rating system is stack against a University with our demographics. It didn't help St. Joseph's from closing. [1] So much for the #28 in Regional Colleges Midwest. [2]

Higher Education is changing. Rudd seems like he has a handle on how it's changing. But yeah, we need to keep enrollment up.

[1]- https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017...and-behind
[2]- http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...diana-1833

#28. Regional Colleges. A tragic loss.

Like reading Lindy's for basketball.

Is that one of the many sources you scour in order to be more knowledgeable than 99% of other people?

I'll have to read it. Always trying to work towards that mythical penny lane 1%

(02-14-2017 09:57 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 09:18 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Tiger basketball HAS to get back on track fast.

Tiger basketball has to do with the drop in enrollment in 2010. Bold thinking.

The recreational center is build with student fees not athletic revenue.

You're right. Sports have no effect on enrollment numbers.

(02-13-2017 06:08 PM)NDTiger Wrote:  I understand postponing the rec center, but I''m more concerned over redesigning it. To be frank, the current design was gorgeous and looked like a tier 1 University facility. Was really impressed with the direction we were headed. Why not raise the student fee for 2 more years and keep it as planned? Offer any class that contributed 4yrs of access even if it means after graduation. Would be a legit reason to come back to campus. $300/year or semester is extremely inexpensive when compared to an annual gym membership. I hope this stirs some action by SGA to keep the plan to date by rallying towards a solution.

I always thought that this would be a good way to keep recently graduated alumni connected to the university. Charge a small membership fee - $25 /$50 a month or so - for full access to the gym and pool facilities. They could also offer season tickets to recent graduates located in the student section for bball and football - maybe charge the same price as guest tickets. Give recent graduates a way to stay connected without breaking the bank.

(02-14-2017 09:24 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 08:59 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 08:56 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 08:07 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 03:40 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  Rec centers are nice, but I'm not sure that's how to best spend your $ to move up in the US News college rankings.

I don't think they care that much about US News. It's rating system is stack against a University with our demographics. It didn't help St. Joseph's from closing. [1] So much for the #28 in Regional Colleges Midwest. [2]

Higher Education is changing. Rudd seems like he has a handle on how it's changing. But yeah, we need to keep enrollment up.

[1]- https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017...and-behind
[2]- http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...diana-1833

#28. Regional Colleges. A tragic loss.

Like reading Lindy's for basketball.

Is that one of the many sources you scour in order to be more knowledgeable than 99% of other people?

I'll have to read it. Always trying to work towards that mythical penny lane 1%

Go ahead. You obviously didn't catch the sarcasm.

The School needs to come up with the rest of the cost. The students paid for that design and now are getting shafted. Rudd is such a terd.

(02-16-2017 07:07 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 06:08 PM)NDTiger Wrote:  I understand postponing the rec center, but I''m more concerned over redesigning it. To be frank, the current design was gorgeous and looked like a tier 1 University facility. Was really impressed with the direction we were headed. Why not raise the student fee for 2 more years and keep it as planned? Offer any class that contributed 4yrs of access even if it means after graduation. Would be a legit reason to come back to campus. $300/year or semester is extremely inexpensive when compared to an annual gym membership. I hope this stirs some action by SGA to keep the plan to date by rallying towards a solution.

I always thought that this would be a good way to keep recently graduated alumni connected to the university. Charge a small membership fee - $25 /$50 a month or so - for full access to the gym and pool facilities. They could also offer season tickets to recent graduates located in the student section for bball and football - maybe charge the same price as guest tickets. Give recent graduates a way to stay connected without breaking the bank.

You don't have to be a student to be a member of the rec center. I know plenty of alumni who pay something like $30 a month. I would do it if I stayed in the neighborhood.

(02-16-2017 08:40 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 09:24 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 08:59 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 08:56 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 08:07 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  I don't think they care that much about US News. It's rating system is stack against a University with our demographics. It didn't help St. Joseph's from closing. [1] So much for the #28 in Regional Colleges Midwest. [2]

Higher Education is changing. Rudd seems like he has a handle on how it's changing. But yeah, we need to keep enrollment up.

[1]- https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017...and-behind
[2]- http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...diana-1833

#28. Regional Colleges. A tragic loss.

Like reading Lindy's for basketball.

Is that one of the many sources you scour in order to be more knowledgeable than 99% of other people?

I'll have to read it. Always trying to work towards that mythical penny lane 1%

Go ahead. You obviously didn't catch the sarcasm.

it was not lost on me 1%er