Not bad for a G5 program.

http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2017/...al-16-201/

Certainly NTR, but I'm not sure just how sports-related this is.

(02-13-2017 06:10 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Certainly NTR, but I'm not sure just how sports-related this is.

burn.

(02-13-2017 08:49 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Not bad for a G5 program.

http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2017/...al-16-201/

I thought you would've long since slinked away from this board after the whole Boise of the South, then AR State and Memphis are on equal footing fiascos. Guess we get to hear more from you... yay!?!

Why would I have as "slinked away" because their AD wanted them known as the "Boise of the South".

Wish I could take credit for that stroke of genius on the part of their AD because it worked big-time.

Their football program has done extremely well( won more conference championships than any FBS program since then), and their athletic budget -which was in the 13-16 million when they started their Boise Campaign- is above 40 million which is very good for a G5.

Of course now that they have their program/budget to where it needed to be- they want to be the best G5 program, so they are not using any G5 as their standard.

(02-13-2017 06:10 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Certainly NTR, but I'm not sure just how sports-related this is.

How is that? You don't think how much a school spends on athletics effects the product?

You don't think playing a school with a 40+ million $ athletic budget, is a little different than playing one with less than a 15 million budget (which is what they were when you last played them) ?

They are on your future schedule, and while their football team has been decent the last few years the influx of cash is expected to make them much better in the near future.

They should match up well with the AAC teams on their future schedule (ie. SMU, Memphis, and Tulsa), who they make no bones about having to beat to continue to establish their "brand", just like they had to beat UCF.

(02-14-2017 08:21 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Why would I have as "slinked away" because their AD wanted them known as the "Boise of the South".

Wish I could take credit for that stroke of genius on the part of their AD because it worked big-time.

Their football program has done extremely well( won more conference championships than any FBS program since then), and their athletic budget -which was in the 13-16 million when they started their Boise Campaign- is above 40 million which is very good for a G5.

Of course now that they have their program/budget to where it needed to be- they want to be the best G5 program, so they are not using any G5 as their standard.

You are sooooo full of crap you don't even realize your hypocrisy. First, Boise State IS G5!!!! Your "brilliant" AD fashioned it after them! They didn't claim to be the Bama of the G5....

Second, YOU said that ESPN was the driving force behind that and would brand them that way. Other than two passing mentions in a game AR St got DESTROYED by Oregon that is all I heard about it all season!!!!

You can CLAIM that they will be competitive, but that doesn't relate to actually BEING competitive. We just had the #1 recruiting class in G5, not to mention the first ESPN FP! poll has us ranked as the strongest G5 team in the nation. Yeah, I am sure we should be very scared of your progress.

(02-14-2017 11:28 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 08:21 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Why would I have as "slinked away" because their AD wanted them known as the "Boise of the South".

Wish I could take credit for that stroke of genius on the part of their AD because it worked big-time.

Their football program has done extremely well( won more conference championships than any FBS program since then), and their athletic budget -which was in the 13-16 million when they started their Boise Campaign- is above 40 million which is very good for a G5.

Of course now that they have their program/budget to where it needed to be- they want to be the best G5 program, so they are not using any G5 as their standard.

You are sooooo full of crap you don't even realize your hypocrisy. First, Boise State IS G5!!!! Your "brilliant" AD fashioned it after them! They didn't claim to be the Bama of the G5....

Second, YOU said that ESPN was the driving force behind that and would brand them that way. Other than two passing mentions in a game AR St got DESTROYED by Oregon that is all I heard about it all season!!!!

You can CLAIM that they will be competitive, but that doesn't relate to actually BEING competitive. We just had the #1 recruiting class in G5, not to mention the first ESPN FP! poll has us ranked as the strongest G5 team in the nation. Yeah, I am sure we should be very scared of your progress.

Boise was not G5 at the time.........there was no G5.

There was nothing put out by their Sports Information Department to the media that did not refer to their "Boise of the South" campaign, and everyone picked up on it and their AD was rightly proud of it's success( and made sure everyone at Church knew it), because it worked.

I'm not sure if he or ESPN had the original idea( and did not want to offend him by asking), just that ESPN gave it legs and produced a nice video for them.

Bottom line is that it worked for them.

As far as the rest of your post, I have to agree.

Memphis is certain't one of the better G5's right now, and that was an outstanding class, added to an already talented roster of players, so IMO A-State has some ground to make up.

Fortunately for them, they are not lacking talent themselves and there is time to continue to upgrade, and more money helps.

Just for the record IMO the Big 12 made a mistake not taking Memphis.

I think A State has a good coach

(02-14-2017 09:23 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 06:10 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Certainly NTR, but I'm not sure just how sports-related this is.

How is that? You don't think how much a school spends on athletics effects the product?

You don't think playing a school with a 40+ million $ athletic budget, is a little different than playing one with less than a 15 million budget (which is what they were when you last played them) ?

They are on your future schedule, and while their football team has been decent the last few years the influx of cash is expected to make them much better in the near future.

They should match up well with the AAC teams on their future schedule (ie. SMU, Memphis, and Tulsa), who they make no bones about having to beat to continue to establish their "brand", just like they had to beat UCF.

Good for Ark. St. They have a great AD. However, it is misleading to say they operate on a $40M+ budget. Per their website, the current year operating budget is $18M+. FY 15/16 was $17M+ according to the numbers turned into the state. USAToday is more inclusive with capital improvements, debt service and differing methodology which I'm assuming will up it over the $40M mark. Good on the AD for turning in all pertinent info USAToday is willing to include vs. some who just provide what they turn into the NCAA. The equity in athletics website has info on all FBS schools (public and private) and most closely resembles actual operating budgets posted on university websites.

(02-14-2017 11:28 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 08:21 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Why would I have as "slinked away" because their AD wanted them known as the "Boise of the South".

Wish I could take credit for that stroke of genius on the part of their AD because it worked big-time.

Their football program has done extremely well( won more conference championships than any FBS program since then), and their athletic budget -which was in the 13-16 million when they started their Boise Campaign- is above 40 million which is very good for a G5.

Of course now that they have their program/budget to where it needed to be- they want to be the best G5 program, so they are not using any G5 as their standard.

You are sooooo full of crap you don't even realize your hypocrisy. First, Boise State IS G5!!!! Your "brilliant" AD fashioned it after them! They didn't claim to be the Bama of the G5....

Second, YOU said that ESPN was the driving force behind that and would brand them that way. Other than two passing mentions in a game AR St got DESTROYED by Oregon that is all I heard about it all season!!!!

You can CLAIM that they will be competitive, but that doesn't relate to actually BEING competitive. We just had the #1 recruiting class in G5, not to mention the first ESPN FP! poll has us ranked as the strongest G5 team in the nation. Yeah, I am sure we should be very scared of your progress.

Some people have not forgotten the "Boise of the South" campaign.

"And each year, in talking about Arkansas State, I am pretty much guaranteed to reference a years-old remark from ASU’s athletic director about wanting to become the “Boise State of the South.”"

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...ule-roster

(02-15-2017 01:58 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 09:23 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 06:10 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Certainly NTR, but I'm not sure just how sports-related this is.

How is that? You don't think how much a school spends on athletics effects the product?

You don't think playing a school with a 40+ million $ athletic budget, is a little different than playing one with less than a 15 million budget (which is what they were when you last played them) ?

They are on your future schedule, and while their football team has been decent the last few years the influx of cash is expected to make them much better in the near future.

They should match up well with the AAC teams on their future schedule (ie. SMU, Memphis, and Tulsa), who they make no bones about having to beat to continue to establish their "brand", just like they had to beat UCF.

Good for Ark. St. They have a great AD. However, it is misleading to say they operate on a $40M+ budget. Per their website, the current year operating budget is $18M+. FY 15/16 was $17M+ according to the numbers turned into the state. USAToday is more inclusive with capital improvements, debt service and differing methodology which I'm assuming will up it over the $40M mark. Good on the AD for turning in all pertinent info USAToday is willing to include vs. some who just provide what they turn into the NCAA. The equity in athletics website has info on all FBS schools (public and private) and most closely resembles actual operating budgets posted on university websites.

I was told it was around 29M last year, but will be above Texas States 34M (best in the SBC) when the all the dust settles, but are not expecting it to settle anytime soon. Making sure the dust does not settle is something their current AD is good at.

Helps that their football program finally has some stability, and should be even better going forward, and that their men's basketball program is showing signs of life.

Don't have to tell Tiger fans the impact of a successful football program and a men's basketball program on the generosity of a programs supporters, or the school itself.

(02-18-2017 06:54 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 11:28 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 08:21 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Why would I have as "slinked away" because their AD wanted them known as the "Boise of the South".

Wish I could take credit for that stroke of genius on the part of their AD because it worked big-time.

Their football program has done extremely well( won more conference championships than any FBS program since then), and their athletic budget -which was in the 13-16 million when they started their Boise Campaign- is above 40 million which is very good for a G5.

Of course now that they have their program/budget to where it needed to be- they want to be the best G5 program, so they are not using any G5 as their standard.

You are sooooo full of crap you don't even realize your hypocrisy. First, Boise State IS G5!!!! Your "brilliant" AD fashioned it after them! They didn't claim to be the Bama of the G5....

Second, YOU said that ESPN was the driving force behind that and would brand them that way. Other than two passing mentions in a game AR St got DESTROYED by Oregon that is all I heard about it all season!!!!

You can CLAIM that they will be competitive, but that doesn't relate to actually BEING competitive. We just had the #1 recruiting class in G5, not to mention the first ESPN FP! poll has us ranked as the strongest G5 team in the nation. Yeah, I am sure we should be very scared of your progress.

Some people have not forgotten the "Boise of the South" campaign.

"And each year, in talking about Arkansas State, I am pretty much guaranteed to reference a years-old remark from ASU’s athletic director about wanting to become the “Boise State of the South.”"

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...ule-roster

But it's like a very good joke that kills every time you tell it at parties. Either you get that you are part of the joke or you don't. Yes, a pro-AR State writer will say it as a positive, every other person in sports either are clueless about that statement or laughing about it!!

Redefining success at mid-major program is a telling mark because programs like Boise State and TCU DEFINED it. Boise is STILL defining it since they have actually competed for the G5 bowl invite each year.

No problem, just that they were a program with one bowl game since rejoining the top division , and since their AD, or whoever, came up with the "Boise of the South" they have had a lot more success.

Both programs have come a long way since they last met, and I expect both are going to continue the upward trend. If the past is any indication some very entertaining games are in the cards.

There is a STRONG limit on the ceiling that AR State has. Playing in one of the weakest conferences in college football, unless they beat nationally ranked P5 programs (and it would probably take more than one victory in a season) they would have to be undefeated and hope that no other G5 team has less than 2 losses to even get a shot at the G5 bowl.

Don't forget three years ago that undefeated Marshall had less votes than a two loss Boise State did for the G5 game going into the last week of the season.

Given both teams courses over the last three seasons, I can't wait to play Arkansas State in the future!!!

And my problem was NEVER with the AD saying it. It was with YOUR insistence that ESPN came up with it and THEY were the one that was going to push it. Not to mention that you swore two coaches in a row both loved that job and weren't going anywhere. Lastly, you talked a lot of trash before the last time the two met and we see how well that turned out for you. Oh yeah, let's not forget that you claimed AR State was in a better spot for success in the future....
Three straight bowl bids, finishing ranked top 25 and being ranked as high as 13, the #1 ranked G5 class in recruiting and then the #1 ranked G5 team in ESPN's first FPI poll... yeah, AR State is tearing it up!?!! Oh wait, that wasn't them.

(02-21-2017 05:07 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  And my problem was NEVER with the AD saying it. It was with YOUR insistence that ESPN came up with it and THEY were the one that was going to push it. Not to mention that you swore two coaches in a row both loved that job and weren't going anywhere. Lastly, you talked a lot of trash before the last time the two met and we see how well that turned out for you. Oh yeah, let's not forget that you claimed AR State was in a better spot for success in the future....
Three straight bowl bids, finishing ranked top 25 and being ranked as high as 13, the #1 ranked G5 class in recruiting and then the #1 ranked G5 team in ESPN's first FPI poll... yeah, AR State is tearing it up!?!! Oh wait, that wasn't them.

I think you are mixing my post with some others, and taking somethings I posted out of context.

As far as A-State, ESP and the Boise of the South nothing I posted was inconsistent with what their AD told us, and their program has not been the same since.

I just don't know if it was his or their idea.

I said I though Memphis could be as good as Miami in football, I have never said I thought A-State could be as good as Miami, or should be in the Big 12.