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RE: Question about conference membership rules
(02-13-2017 09:35 AM)TopperCard Wrote:  A school can only have a sport in a different conference if their main conference doesn't sponsor that sport, and I believe this is an NCAA rule. For example, Kentucky soccer is in C-USA because the SEC doesn't sponsor soccer.

Choosing independence in a sport that is sponsored by your main conference is negotiated, i.e. Notre Dame football. By NCAA rule, they can't have their football another conference since the ACC sponsors football. They'd have to move all their other sports to a conference like the Big East if they wanted to join a conference in football only. Obviously they could choose independence in everything but that's ridiculous.

That isn't true. Providence played volleyball in the less competitive America East because that sport probably didn't have talent or funding at Providence. It has since changed to the Big East. The Big East chose to give an exemption for Providence, as some schools like Creighton and Marquette put serious money into that sport and don't want a lax member that would bring down the RPI. The NCAA rules allow it but conferences mostly dont.
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(02-12-2017 02:02 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  There have been references to ND having to put their football in the ACC if they were to join a conference. Others about Uconn "parking" their football somewhere so they could join a BB conference.

My understanding is the NCAA has a rule that, if your primary conference sponsors a sport, your choices are in the conference or independent. For example, ND could not move it's basketball to the nBE but they could move to independent.

Is this an NCAA rule or, in Notre Dame's case, a contract requirement? It seems like an important distinction. Contracts require negotiation and probably some form of compensation. While the NCAA generally moves at a glacial pace, rules can change.


It is a contract requirement for ND with the ACC (through 2036).

IF ND football is to join any conference before then, it is to be the ACC.

That same contract, though, recognizes that ND is not required to do so.
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(02-13-2017 09:17 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(02-12-2017 04:11 PM)NoDak Wrote:  A school can play all its sports in separate conferences if it can make those arrangements. The NCAA will not recognize it as belonging to any conference, so it can miss out on money. Normally, a school is a member of a conference in most sports, but is free to have sports which that conference doesn't sponsor in others as affiliated members. Conference normally require a school to be all in, not the NCAA. The ACC allowed ND to keep football out, and the NCAA rules would allow any school to do that and more.

Agreed. The question was, is it an NCAA rule, contract requirement or both, that would prevent ND from putting FB in a different conference?

I can only imagine the nightmare of 20 sports in 20 different conferences.


Not so much of a nightmare.

ND football is not in a conference.

24 of its sports are in the ACC.

ND hockey is currently in Hockey East. Next year, it will be in the Big Ten (stand alone).
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(02-12-2017 04:54 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Thanks NoDak! I thought it was just the Irish with that special treatment. And of course you're correct about conferences not sponsoring certain sports.

No "special treatment".

Any school is free to do what ND does.
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(02-13-2017 09:35 AM)TopperCard Wrote:  A school can only have a sport in a different conference if their main conference doesn't sponsor that sport, and I believe this is an NCAA rule. For example, Kentucky soccer is in C-USA because the SEC doesn't sponsor soccer.

Choosing independence in a sport that is sponsored by your main conference is negotiated, i.e. Notre Dame football. By NCAA rule, they can't have their football another conference since the ACC sponsors football. They'd have to move all their other sports to a conference like the Big East if they wanted to join a conference in football only. Obviously they could choose independence in everything but that's ridiculous.

ND did exactly that for football (current) and basketball (until 1995).

Not so ridiculous. I liked it better like that.
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I prefer schools be in conferences with all the same schools whenever feasible. To me, unless not enough schools play the sport, you're a full member or not, no halfsies.
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(02-13-2017 11:44 AM)NoDak Wrote:  That isn't true. Providence played volleyball in the less competitive America East because that sport probably didn't have talent or funding at Providence. It has since changed to the Big East. The Big East chose to give an exemption for Providence, as some schools like Creighton and Marquette put serious money into that sport and don't want a lax member that would bring down the RPI. The NCAA rules allow it but conferences mostly dont.

The MAAC allows Fairfield to affiliate men's lacrosse with the CAA, which is a tougher league. If this is a rule, it seems to have a lot of exceptions.
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(02-13-2017 02:21 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I prefer schools be in conferences with all the same schools whenever feasible. To me, unless not enough schools play the sport, you're a full member or not, no halfsies.

I like the freedom of choice but to each their own.
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(02-13-2017 09:23 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  A school's primary conference is the one in which it plays basketball.

is this an official rule?
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(02-13-2017 09:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(02-13-2017 09:23 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  A school's primary conference is the one in which it plays basketball.

is this an official rule?

Yes
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