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RE: With realignment being very quiet, looks like AAC is very content
(02-16-2017 03:31 PM)p23570 Wrote:  
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(02-16-2017 12:18 PM)p23570 Wrote:  
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(02-15-2017 11:47 PM)p23570 Wrote:  LOL. I'ts fun to type stuff like that. But then reality hits that any scenario where Texas leaves is highly unlikely. They have the best TV deal ever right now getting paid better than anyone with ESPN protecting it's investment. They have no reason to leave they have everything they want.

Then you come to OU and KU leaving by themselves which again is fun to say but then you look at what it would take for that to happen it's highly unlikely. An in state divorce is going to be messy, especially if it's not a crisis last resort type of situation, which this hardly is. OU is coming off a final 4 and playoff and would have been in the playoff if we had beat Houston so we ended up winning another Sugar bowl and top 10 recruiting class. . HArdly terrible times. OU and KU are making good $, playing regional games that fans enjoy and alumni can attend. Access to the playoff is better for OU and KU has been to the NCAA tournament nearly 20- years straight and is finally looking better in football.

I have not seen one piece of information that suggest KU is trying to get away from KSU and ISU and I have not seen any information to suggest OU is trying to get away from OSU. That's just fantasy board chatter from disgruntled AAC fans (or Louisville) who wish they had gotten an invite and now trash the Big 12.

To be realistic what would need to happen is no expansion and no opportunity for a conference network due to UT somehow preventing that from happening. I personally believe there will be a partnership with the PACN with a couple of regional channels in Big 12 country.

Nobody has paid attention but the Big 12 has not made a deal for a CCG. They agreed to have one and where to have one but I haven't seen a report that indicates a deal is done with a $ amount.

The Big 12 has also not negotiated a deal to remove the expansion clause that I am aware of. There was a lot of talk but that has gone silent with no conclusion.

The Big 12 and PAC met last fall to discuss a scheduling alliance and I ahve no doubt they discussed expansion. After that meeting I believe the Big 12 and PAC hired a consultant to research options on a partnership with the PACN including which teams the Big 12 could add which would be the most valuable to the PACN (BYU/UConn). ESPN would also be involved as they own both BYU and UConn content. UConn is threatening to go to FOX (NBE) if they dont' get an invite. BYU is the one school who increases viewers in the PAC footprint. Uconn offer some great content for a conference network and shocked the world with TV ratings for win #100.

ESPN decides to protect it's investment in BYU And UCOnn by paying the pro rata increase and FOX is more than willing to add UConn BB to it's BB content in the Northeast. PAC is interested in forcing providers to carry PACN And this accomplishes that and allows for a conference network that covers over half the country and is #1 in every state except Iowa where it's a 50/50 split as well as spans from LA to NY.

In the end this won't cost ESPN much as they already pay BYU for FB and would be splitting the increase with FOX.

AAC now has an opportunity to add 1 or more schools. I personally think it will be Rice for a variety of reasons but could see them making a move for the front range + Boise.

You've stated elsewhere that you live in Mountain country. You know why BYU will never be in the PAC. That's impossible.

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I agree that BYU will never join the PAC. I never suggested BYU join the PAC. I suggested the Big 12 add BYU and UConn.

My bad. What 6 team divisions would you have for big 12 plus UCONN and BYU. That would be a difficult geographic split.
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The divisions should be setup to give OU and UT the best opportunity to be highly ranked and not have a rematch of the RRR. Put the biggest brands (OU, KU, UT) in the biggest markets in the East.

East/West with permanent crossover game for FB and BB.
UT/TT
OU/OkSU
KU/KSU
ISU/Baylor
WVU/TCU
UConn/BYU

Sold. Write up the contract p23570.
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RE: With realignment being very quiet, looks like AAC is very content
(02-15-2017 10:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 07:36 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  What's left of the Big12 will come calling on the AAC soon enough.

When Texas, Oklahoma, and possibly some friends leave the Big 12 my guess is that Houston, Cincy, UCF, USF, and possibly others like UConn, Memphis, Tulane, and SMU will migrate over.
People have been saying this for 10 years

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RE: With realignment being very quiet, looks like AAC is very content
(02-16-2017 04:56 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 07:36 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  What's left of the Big12 will come calling on the AAC soon enough.

When Texas, Oklahoma, and possibly some friends leave the Big 12 my guess is that Houston, Cincy, UCF, USF, and possibly others like UConn, Memphis, Tulane, and SMU will migrate over.
People have been saying this for 10 years

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What becomes of the TV contract though for the B12?

Does Kansas State and Iowa State get stuck it what would be the equivalent of a Great Plains version of the MWC?
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RE: With realignment being very quiet, looks like AAC is very content
(02-16-2017 03:58 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 03:31 PM)p23570 Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 03:20 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 12:18 PM)p23570 Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 11:55 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  You've stated elsewhere that you live in Mountain country. You know why BYU will never be in the PAC. That's impossible.

Cheers!
I agree that BYU will never join the PAC. I never suggested BYU join the PAC. I suggested the Big 12 add BYU and UConn.

My bad. What 6 team divisions would you have for big 12 plus UCONN and BYU. That would be a difficult geographic split.
Cheers!
The divisions should be setup to give OU and UT the best opportunity to be highly ranked and not have a rematch of the RRR. Put the biggest brands (OU, KU, UT) in the biggest markets in the East.

East/West with permanent crossover game for FB and BB.
UT/TT
OU/OkSU
KU/KSU
ISU/Baylor
WVU/TCU
UConn/BYU

Sold. Write up the contract p23570.

Will be interesting to see how it all works out.

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on confernce networks it seems as far as where the income from networks are derived. This is where I see BYU and Uconn thriving as they both have a lot of confernce network type content that people actually watch.

Most of us understand that confernce network income is not derived from the 1-2 crappy football games and some coaches shows a team provides for the network. We understand that year round content that provides subscriber income as well as advertising income. This means a dozen WVB , BB, and WBB games for BYU. This means BB, WBB, Baseball, Soccer, etc for UConn. In that sense I think BYU And UConn provide value as they have a lot of content like that which people will watch and that content is in many ways a nice compliment to sports which are not popular in the big 12 like WVB, WBB, and Soccer.

Some will tell you that valuation for conference network is 80% FB but that simply is not true.

LHN is a perfect example. ESPN does not pay UT 15 million a season for a couple of crappy football games. Anyone who tells you that is clueless. UT gets 15 million per season becasue of year round subscriber fees and advertising, most of which is outside football season and outside football content.

I think what some miss is the difference. T1/2 contracts are about quality with the biggest matchups bringing most of the value. Conference networks are much different as they typically do not have high quality content and it's more about quantity.

Another huge difference in T-1/2 TV contracts is conference get paid by ESPN/Fox and in the PACN case they own the network so these are completely different situations.

The reality is the BIg 12 can add 2 schools to the t-1/2 contract at the current payout so that is a non issue. Not even worth discussing as we know the deal. The issue is content for conference networks. IF the Big 12 could form a partnership with the PAC conference utilizing the t-3 content for BYU And UConn to start with and build upon that by working with Fox or simply waiting out the current Fox contracts and then I see a huge upside.

The perfect scenario would be working with the PAC, Big 12, and Fox. PAC has a network, Fox has lots of t-3 content, and the Big 12 has the t-3 content form both expansion schools and a CCG to bargain with.

Let Fox have the CCG and put it on big FOX. Fox moves some current members t-3 content over to the PACN along with BYU And UConn t-3 content. Let the PACN absorb all that and create a couple of regional channels. PACN is instantly picked up by all major TV providers as viewer #'s are increased in the existing footprint and expanded into the central and eastern time zones and everyone is happy.
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how serious are these UConn/Big East reports?
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With realignment being very quiet, looks like AAC is very content
Oh wait ! My gosh the ACC is about to lose or add a team , wait miko33 says it's about to happen oh man right now any time now...
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RE: With realignment being very quiet, looks like AAC is very content
(02-17-2017 04:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  how serious are these UConn/Big East reports?

I see it as a threat to ESPN saying if you don't do something we are going to have to make a decision as we can't maintain this spending.

But in some ways it also seems like something a fan would say after watching the NBE teams be successful while they struggle in the AAC completely overlooking the fact that plenty of other schools are successful in the AAC.

It could just be a desperate attempt to throw themselves at the p-5. Kinda like the chubby girl in the group at the bar who isn't getting any looks at 10PM saying she is going home in the hopes someone asks her to stay.

I'm sure the AAC appreciates it. Now only did you try to leave for the Big 12 now you are trying to leave for the NBE.
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RE: With realignment being very quiet, looks like AAC is very content
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(02-17-2017 04:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  how serious are these UConn/Big East reports?

I see it as a threat to ESPN saying if you don't do something we are going to have to make a decision as we can't maintain this spending.

But in some ways it also seems like something a fan would say after watching the NBE teams be successful while they struggle in the AAC completely overlooking the fact that plenty of other schools are successful in the AAC.

It could just be a desperate attempt to throw themselves at the p-5. Kinda like the chubby girl in the group at the bar who isn't getting any looks at 10PM saying she is going home in the hopes someone asks her to stay.

I'm sure the AAC appreciates it. Now only did you try to leave for the Big 12 now you are trying to leave for the NBE.

If UCONN was doing this as you say as a desperate attempt to throw themselves at a P5...I think the opposite will happen. I watched how Rutgers, TCU, Utah and Louisville moved up and it was very quietly. Maybe Rutgers is a bad example but Utah, TCU and Louisville all had spectacular football seasons for a good length of time before they got snatched up. If Uconn had a 5 year run like the last 5 years of those 3 leading up to the day they were invited, they'd be invited too probably.

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(02-20-2017 03:56 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 10:38 PM)p23570 Wrote:  
(02-17-2017 04:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  how serious are these UConn/Big East reports?

I see it as a threat to ESPN saying if you don't do something we are going to have to make a decision as we can't maintain this spending.

But in some ways it also seems like something a fan would say after watching the NBE teams be successful while they struggle in the AAC completely overlooking the fact that plenty of other schools are successful in the AAC.

It could just be a desperate attempt to throw themselves at the p-5. Kinda like the chubby girl in the group at the bar who isn't getting any looks at 10PM saying she is going home in the hopes someone asks her to stay.

I'm sure the AAC appreciates it. Now only did you try to leave for the Big 12 now you are trying to leave for the NBE.

If UCONN was doing this as you say as a desperate attempt to throw themselves at a P5...I think the opposite will happen. I watched how Rutgers, TCU, Utah and Louisville moved up and it was very quietly. Maybe Rutgers is a bad example but Utah, TCU and Louisville all had spectacular football seasons for a good length of time before they got snatched up. If Uconn had a 5 year run like the last 5 years of those 3 leading up to the day they were invited, they'd be invited too probably.

Cheers!
UConn fans have a very different outlook on this for some reason. I don't know if you ever read their board but it is entertaining and sad at the same time. They seem to feel like victims not realizing that they control thier own destiny 100%.

I tend to agree with you that this likely won't end up working as far as enticing the ACC or B1G to add them.
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