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Once again I was watching Giddy Potts curl off of a screen to catch, shoot, and drain a 3 pointer. And once again I wondered what it's like to have a player who can do that. And once again I asked, "why don't we?".

(02-11-2017 12:04 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 05:17 PM)odu96 Wrote:  What I read from the above statements is that we have good athletes who are not complete bball players. Even more, these seem to be the talents the guys came to the school with. Players at other schools really seem to improve year over year. As much as I had my problems with BT and some of his brick throwing teams, there were players, specifically Frank Hassell, who really did show improvement each year. I was expecting huge improvement in Talleys game from last year... isn't this a coaching issue? Not trying to start another JJ bashing thread but how much of lack of player development is on the coach? And is it lack of player development or poor game plans that inhibit players from playing to their strengths?

I agree with you, but I believe Talley is a different situation. Yes, he is a sophomore, but this is his fourth year out of highschool. Age wise he is a senior. I just don't expect to see the same growth that you might see out of a true sophomore, because a big piece of that growth is about maturing physically. He is done with that. Caver, on the other hand, does show the growth curve you would expect from a freshman to sophomore and beyond. I think he is really growing into a very good player, but I think Talley is what he is, and i would not expect any giant leap from him.

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Why do you think 21-22 year olds dont get better? Do you think Freeman is better this year than last? Do players in the NBa not improve or do they just improve bc of coaching? How old do you think guys are when they stop mature physically?

Baker can curl off a screen and hit a 3. He just cant do anything else offensively.

(02-11-2017 07:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Baker can curl off a screen and hit a 3. He just cant do anything else offensively.

False

(02-11-2017 09:04 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 07:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Baker can curl off a screen and hit a 3. He just cant do anything else offensively.

False

what else can he do?

(02-11-2017 09:21 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 09:04 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 07:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Baker can curl off a screen and hit a 3. He just cant do anything else offensively.

False

what else can he do?

Spot up

(02-11-2017 07:10 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 12:04 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 05:17 PM)odu96 Wrote:  What I read from the above statements is that we have good athletes who are not complete bball players. Even more, these seem to be the talents the guys came to the school with. Players at other schools really seem to improve year over year. As much as I had my problems with BT and some of his brick throwing teams, there were players, specifically Frank Hassell, who really did show improvement each year. I was expecting huge improvement in Talleys game from last year... isn't this a coaching issue? Not trying to start another JJ bashing thread but how much of lack of player development is on the coach? And is it lack of player development or poor game plans that inhibit players from playing to their strengths?

I agree with you, but I believe Talley is a different situation. Yes, he is a sophomore, but this is his fourth year out of highschool. Age wise he is a senior. I just don't expect to see the same growth that you might see out of a true sophomore, because a big piece of that growth is about maturing physically. He is done with that. Caver, on the other hand, does show the growth curve you would expect from a freshman to sophomore and beyond. I think he is really growing into a very good player, but I think Talley is what he is, and i would not expect any giant leap from him.

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Why do you think 21-22 year olds dont get better? Do you think Freeman is better this year than last? Do players in the NBa not improve or do they just improve bc of coaching? How old do you think guys are when they stop mature physically?

I don't think they stop getting better, but i don't think the make giant leaps like kids make from senior year of high school to freshman year of college, or freshman to sophomore when they are maturing rapidly both physically and mentally as well as learning how to play at a higher level for the first time. Guys that are 22 years old have already realized those massive early improvement and, for the most part are just honing pieces of their game.

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(02-11-2017 07:10 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 12:04 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 05:17 PM)odu96 Wrote:  What I read from the above statements is that we have good athletes who are not complete bball players. Even more, these seem to be the talents the guys came to the school with. Players at other schools really seem to improve year over year. As much as I had my problems with BT and some of his brick throwing teams, there were players, specifically Frank Hassell, who really did show improvement each year. I was expecting huge improvement in Talleys game from last year... isn't this a coaching issue? Not trying to start another JJ bashing thread but how much of lack of player development is on the coach? And is it lack of player development or poor game plans that inhibit players from playing to their strengths?

I agree with you, but I believe Talley is a different situation. Yes, he is a sophomore, but this is his fourth year out of highschool. Age wise he is a senior. I just don't expect to see the same growth that you might see out of a true sophomore, because a big piece of that growth is about maturing physically. He is done with that. Caver, on the other hand, does show the growth curve you would expect from a freshman to sophomore and beyond. I think he is really growing into a very good player, but I think Talley is what he is, and i would not expect any giant leap from him.

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Why do you think 21-22 year olds dont get better? Do you think Freeman is better this year than last? Do players in the NBa not improve or do they just improve bc of coaching? How old do you think guys are when they stop mature physically?

(02-11-2017 10:50 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 07:10 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 12:04 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 05:17 PM)odu96 Wrote:  What I read from the above statements is that we have good athletes who are not complete bball players. Even more, these seem to be the talents the guys came to the school with. Players at other schools really seem to improve year over year. As much as I had my problems with BT and some of his brick throwing teams, there were players, specifically Frank Hassell, who really did show improvement each year. I was expecting huge improvement in Talleys game from last year... isn't this a coaching issue? Not trying to start another JJ bashing thread but how much of lack of player development is on the coach? And is it lack of player development or poor game plans that inhibit players from playing to their strengths?

I agree with you, but I believe Talley is a different situation. Yes, he is a sophomore, but this is his fourth year out of highschool. Age wise he is a senior. I just don't expect to see the same growth that you might see out of a true sophomore, because a big piece of that growth is about maturing physically. He is done with that. Caver, on the other hand, does show the growth curve you would expect from a freshman to sophomore and beyond. I think he is really growing into a very good player, but I think Talley is what he is, and i would not expect any giant leap from him.

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Why do you think 21-22 year olds dont get better? Do you think Freeman is better this year than last? Do players in the NBa not improve or do they just improve bc of coaching? How old do you think guys are when they stop mature physically?

I don't think they stop getting better, but i don't think the make giant leaps like kids make from senior year of high school to freshman year of college, or freshman to sophomore when they are maturing rapidly both physically and mentally as well as learning how to play at a higher level for the first time. Guys that are 22 years old have already realized those massive early improvement and, for the most part are just honing pieces of their game.

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So what age do kids make the massive hump? 18-19?

Regarding the prediction, you were partially correct. Yes, I had a drink last night, but it was celebratory drink that I enjoyed greatly!

(02-11-2017 11:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 07:10 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 12:04 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 05:17 PM)odu96 Wrote:  What I read from the above statements is that we have good athletes who are not complete bball players. Even more, these seem to be the talents the guys came to the school with. Players at other schools really seem to improve year over year. As much as I had my problems with BT and some of his brick throwing teams, there were players, specifically Frank Hassell, who really did show improvement each year. I was expecting huge improvement in Talleys game from last year... isn't this a coaching issue? Not trying to start another JJ bashing thread but how much of lack of player development is on the coach? And is it lack of player development or poor game plans that inhibit players from playing to their strengths?

I agree with you, but I believe Talley is a different situation. Yes, he is a sophomore, but this is his fourth year out of highschool. Age wise he is a senior. I just don't expect to see the same growth that you might see out of a true sophomore, because a big piece of that growth is about maturing physically. He is done with that. Caver, on the other hand, does show the growth curve you would expect from a freshman to sophomore and beyond. I think he is really growing into a very good player, but I think Talley is what he is, and i would not expect any giant leap from him.

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Why do you think 21-22 year olds dont get better? Do you think Freeman is better this year than last? Do players in the NBa not improve or do they just improve bc of coaching? How old do you think guys are when they stop mature physically?

(02-11-2017 10:50 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 07:10 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 12:04 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 05:17 PM)odu96 Wrote:  What I read from the above statements is that we have good athletes who are not complete bball players. Even more, these seem to be the talents the guys came to the school with. Players at other schools really seem to improve year over year. As much as I had my problems with BT and some of his brick throwing teams, there were players, specifically Frank Hassell, who really did show improvement each year. I was expecting huge improvement in Talleys game from last year... isn't this a coaching issue? Not trying to start another JJ bashing thread but how much of lack of player development is on the coach? And is it lack of player development or poor game plans that inhibit players from playing to their strengths?

I agree with you, but I believe Talley is a different situation. Yes, he is a sophomore, but this is his fourth year out of highschool. Age wise he is a senior. I just don't expect to see the same growth that you might see out of a true sophomore, because a big piece of that growth is about maturing physically. He is done with that. Caver, on the other hand, does show the growth curve you would expect from a freshman to sophomore and beyond. I think he is really growing into a very good player, but I think Talley is what he is, and i would not expect any giant leap from him.

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Why do you think 21-22 year olds dont get better? Do you think Freeman is better this year than last? Do players in the NBa not improve or do they just improve bc of coaching? How old do you think guys are when they stop mature physically?

I don't think they stop getting better, but i don't think the make giant leaps like kids make from senior year of high school to freshman year of college, or freshman to sophomore when they are maturing rapidly both physically and mentally as well as learning how to play at a higher level for the first time. Guys that are 22 years old have already realized those massive early improvement and, for the most part are just honing pieces of their game.

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So what age do kids make the massive hump? 18-19?

I don't think I even hit puberty till like 18 or 19. By then it was too late.