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RE: Using the Big Sky to backfill the MWC
(02-10-2017 12:43 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-10-2017 08:04 AM)Chappy Wrote:  I don't see the PAC 12 wanting any MWC schools unless there were a sudden population boom in New Mexico.

New Mexico, Colorado St and Hawaii are the only 3 MWC schools that meet the minimum requirements to join the PAC 12, CSU wont get in because Colorado is already there. Hawaii needs about 1.5 million more people, and New Mexico would need a million people to move there to make it. New Mexico is one of the strangest situations there is. Their border state neighbors Arizona, Utah, Colorado, Oklahoma and Texas are booming with population growth while they move forward at a snail pace. Air Force would normally be a great candidate; but not for PAC. UNLV and SDSU are non-starters. Wyoming would need an oil boom that brought 10 million people. Boise St has less of a chance than Idaho. Nevada--I don't know enough about them.
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What are the minimum requirements to join the PAC 12?
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(02-10-2017 01:09 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  Totally agree. Besides, if the MWC got hit that hard you would see the MWC/AAC merger finally happen.

(02-10-2017 12:54 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Not sure which is less credible: MWC to PAC or Big Sky to MWC?


Neither are going to happen.

Why would the AAC want to merge with the least attractive MWC schools? If the MWC got hit that hard then the remnants would be by far the worst G5 conference. Not that there is any chance in hell that the PAC/Big 12 takes any teams from the MWC, let alone that many of them.
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RE: Using the Big Sky to backfill the MWC
Minimum requirements are Carnegie R1 research level. that is really a requirement of ALL power conferences, especially for public universities. (Four legacy R2 schools, three in the SEC, the other Oklahoma State)

But it's more than that, as 8 of 12 schools are members of the AAU, and the remaining are members of the URA (a little less selective research organization than the AAU, mostly for US government research grants). Being designated a land grant school also helps.

Colorado State (R1 URA LG), New Mexico (R1 URA), Hawaii (R LG)

A simple test to see if a school would be admitted to the Pac-12, would an Academic Dean at UC Berkeley, UCLA, USC, Washington, Arizona, or Colorado consider the same position at the expansion candidate school? If the answer is no, then they will not be invited.

The big thing they are looking for is a partner in their research collaborations. The Pac-12, which pulls in the UC schools (Irvine, Davis, San Diego, Santa Barbara, Santa Cruz, Riverside) to the consortium, wants schools that are able to be peers with these. Colorado, and Utah are very good in this sense.

If you don't pass the academic and research test, it doesn't matter what your athletics are.
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(02-10-2017 02:01 PM)goofus Wrote:  The MWC would go after Texas schools first

UTEP, UTSA, TxSt, UNT


I could see Portland State and Eastern Washington going to the west side of the mWC equation for balance. Unless San Diego State does get picked by the PAC 12, you could see one of the Big West schools get an invite.
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The other R1 schools that are FBS.


Houston
North Texas


R2
BYU
Montana State
New Mexico State
North Dakota State
Northern Arizona
Portland State
San Diego State
South Dakota State
SMU
Texas State
UTEP
UTSA
Idaho
Montana
UNLV
UNR
North Dakota
Northern Colorado
South Dakota
Wyoming
Utah State

R3
Air Force
Azusa Pacific
Boise State
Fresno State
Idaho State
Sam Houston State
Lamar
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None of the schools mentioned are going to the Pac12. If the Pac12 expands, it does so in a way that gets them viewers in Texas increasing revenue for their Pac-12 Network by adding a crap load of cable boxes. A 5th team in Cali or teams in states where barely 2 million people live aren't going to increase revenue enough to support splitting the pie more ways. Texas is the only place where expansion makes sense for the Pac12. The Mountain West is safe and stable. Big Sky schools are staying put and will continue living the dream.
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(02-10-2017 10:26 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Chargeradio: would the MWC want N CO or S UT? 2-4 from your list were the obvious ones for me, the bookends less so.
Southern Utah barely made it into the Big Sky, and is not a peer institution of what would be remaining in the Mountain West. I don't see any value in adding Northern Colorado if Air Force or Wyoming are in the conference. Portland State and Sacramento State will be an attempt to salvage what is left of the TV contract, so if they can afford to move, they will be invited. I actually think Northern Arizona or Weber State (which is somewhat close to Salt Lake) would get invited before Southern Utah or Northern Colorado.
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The MWC would go after UTEP and Rice first. Those two Texas schools are already vetted and the interest is mutual. The financials don't work right now (Playoff payouts and TV revenues don't bump up commensurately with expansion). If they did it would have happened already. But it is very clear they are replacement candidates #1 and #2 should there be a defection.

North Texas has some decent academics, and could interest the MWC, but they would be a bit further down the list. I have heard of no interest either from either side. They like the SBC West.

The only Big Sky school that could remotely interest the MWC is UC Davis (technically a football affiliate only). The Montana schools have T9 issues they are dealing with. The rest of the Big Sky is woefully short of the resources.
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RE: Using the Big Sky to backfill the MWC
(02-10-2017 03:41 PM)p23570 Wrote:  
(02-10-2017 12:43 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-10-2017 08:04 AM)Chappy Wrote:  I don't see the PAC 12 wanting any MWC schools unless there were a sudden population boom in New Mexico.

New Mexico, Colorado St and Hawaii are the only 3 MWC schools that meet the minimum requirements to join the PAC 12, CSU wont get in because Colorado is already there. Hawaii needs about 1.5 million more people, and New Mexico would need a million people to move there to make it. New Mexico is one of the strangest situations there is. Their border state neighbors Arizona, Utah, Colorado, Oklahoma and Texas are booming with population growth while they move forward at a snail pace. Air Force would normally be a great candidate; but not for PAC. UNLV and SDSU are non-starters. Wyoming would need an oil boom that brought 10 million people. Boise St has less of a chance than Idaho. Nevada--I don't know enough about them.
Cheers!

What are the minimum requirements to join the PAC 12?

-Universities classified as R1, Highest Research Activity
-State flagship
Those are the minimum requirements to join the PAC 12.
Cheers!
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(02-10-2017 08:41 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The only Big Sky school that could remotely interest the MWC is UC Davis (technically a football affiliate only). The Montana schools have T9 issues they are dealing with. The rest of the Big Sky is woefully short of the resources.

I didn't realize we(MSU) have title IX issues.
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