(02-09-2017 07:50 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 07:48 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 07:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  she wrote that number down so she could get a job and feed, cloth, and house her children. FFS I can not think of a more trivial, victimless, and justified crime if I tried.

let's be real. any "crime" she committed hurt no one, endangered no one, and you can't even say was morally wrong. she's not a criminal and you didn't remove a criminal from the streets. you removed a Mexican from the streets and that's the only reason you care about this. the criminal rhetoric is simply bull**** to justify your bigotry.

The liberal tactic: when losing the argument, label your opponent a racist.

when you blame someone who did nothing morally wrong and call her a criminal. yeah there's some bigotry on your part.

Lying is morally wrong.

(02-09-2017 07:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 07:50 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 07:48 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 07:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  she wrote that number down so she could get a job and feed, cloth, and house her children. FFS I can not think of a more trivial, victimless, and justified crime if I tried.

let's be real. any "crime" she committed hurt no one, endangered no one, and you can't even say was morally wrong. she's not a criminal and you didn't remove a criminal from the streets. you removed a Mexican from the streets and that's the only reason you care about this. the criminal rhetoric is simply bull**** to justify your bigotry.

The liberal tactic: when losing the argument, label your opponent a racist.

when you blame someone who did nothing morally wrong and call her a criminal. yeah there's some bigotry on your part.

Lying is morally wrong.

I'm sure many on the underground railroad lied to people to get slaves to safety. but I wouldn't say they wouldn't they were at any point immoral.

please tell me I don't have to explain to you the point I'm getting at here.

(02-09-2017 08:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 07:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 07:50 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 07:48 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 07:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  she wrote that number down so she could get a job and feed, cloth, and house her children. FFS I can not think of a more trivial, victimless, and justified crime if I tried.

let's be real. any "crime" she committed hurt no one, endangered no one, and you can't even say was morally wrong. she's not a criminal and you didn't remove a criminal from the streets. you removed a Mexican from the streets and that's the only reason you care about this. the criminal rhetoric is simply bull**** to justify your bigotry.

The liberal tactic: when losing the argument, label your opponent a racist.

when you blame someone who did nothing morally wrong and call her a criminal. yeah there's some bigotry on your part.

Lying is morally wrong.

I'm sure many on the underground railroad lied to people to get slaves to safety. but I wouldn't say they wouldn't they were at any point immoral.

please tell me I don't have to explain to you the point I'm getting at here.

Honestly I believe the only point you ever have is to be contrary and to either call people names, use foul language, or both.

There is noting morally defensible about breaking the law.

Adios, senorita

Over 1 million people from 2011-2015 had their identity stolen... and the IRS is prohibited by federal law to tell the victims. The irony

Morally ok eh? Bull ****

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/a...illegal-i/

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Morally ok eh? Bull ****

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ldren.html



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the woman needs to go.

(02-09-2017 07:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 02:49 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 02:45 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 02:40 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Well, so she has broken the law multiple times?

Why is this any different than a person who steals welfare, or food?

Because this is one of the current causes that the left is trying to make political hay on.

My guess 75% or higher of the ones using this issue is only to protect their voting block. Not the people. Just a voting block

The right only repeats crap like this because they don't have a heart. they know they don't have a heart so they try to pretend the dems don't either. I mean if you don't have morality obviously you don't understand what it is so you misplace the intentions of people who actually have values.

What do you mean right? I have been a democrat all my life. I crossed party lines a few times with Reagan, once, Bush, once and now Trump. Voted for Obama first time, voted for Bill Clinton, twice.

Don't know this party that I've seen over the last 7 years or so. A party that went to all special interest and just forgot about the group that elected most of them over the last 60 years or so....the working class.

I don't believe anyone in my family (Mom, dad, brother, sister, uncles, aunt, 1st cousin) has voted Republican other than for Reagan and now Trump

I think there are a lot more out there like me. Hell I know there are or Trump would not be president. Doesn't mean I agree with him on all things, blindly. As a matter of fact I'm 100% against his opinion on civil forfeitures.

Totally with him on jobs and Immigration. Halfway with him on heath care. It needs changed but also needs to be heath care for the poor and the working poor.

(02-09-2017 08:33 PM)fsquid Wrote:  the woman needs to go.

She gone

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(02-09-2017 02:40 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Well, so she has broken the law multiple times?

Why is this any different than a person who steals welfare, or food?

Because we can't get rid of someone who steals welfare and food, but we can get rid of her.

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(02-09-2017 02:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 02:50 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I wonder who she voted for last November?

Here's the thing about this. You know damn well this woman and 95% just like her does not know how the USA elects a president. Hell it seems like a large part of Americans didn't know.

So the fear she and others like her more than likely drove them to the polls i fairly large numbers to vote. Because not knowing, she thought she was adding to the vote total that went for Hillary Clinton. If Hillary Clinton had more votes than Trump. This woman and many more like her would be safe.

Logically how else could anyone not think Illegals voted

The pressing question is, did she vote in her real name or in her stolen name? Or both?

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(02-09-2017 07:27 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 07:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 06:59 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 02:38 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 02:23 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  You know, the moment that I begin to feel the least bit sorry for her, I remember that she entered the country illegally, and that all goes away. Deport her. If she wants back in, she can get in line with everyone else that is doing it the legal way.

Nope.. had no sympathy for her once I saw:

Quote:was convicted of identity theft for possessing false papers.

I only heard this on the radio so can somebody confirm this? It said her case was she used a fake social security number to gain employment and never even stole somebody's identity let alone do it to rob someone's bank account/credit card.

apparently it was that tent city sheriff who was responsible for her arrest as he knows undocumented immigrants are more likely to do that and goes on raids trying to find undocumented workers who have committed that crime.

Doesn't matter, what she did was a violation of federal law and as a convicted criminal she has known since 2013 that she was subject to being deported and she had exhausted any and all appeals available to her under the laws of this country.

she did the les mis equivalent of stealing a loaf of bread nd didn't even hurt anyone in doing it. give me a freaking break.

she followed the rules of her plea deal ever since 2013 including walking into that office and is now getting punished for it. It's a stupid policy because now every illegal immigrant in that exact same situation is going to go into hiding after seeing what happened to her.

She plead guilty to a felony. Then she must have went out and did it again...

how else has she worked these past 8 years?

She used someone's SS# and at some point if it hasn't already happen could cause that person to be audited. Someone is filling taxes and reporting what they made but not the money this woman was paid....

The person is committing TAX FRAUD because of this lady

(02-09-2017 07:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  she wrote that number down so she could get a job and feed, cloth, and house her children. FFS I can not think of a more trivial, victimless, and justified crime if I tried.

let's be real. any "crime" she committed hurt no one, endangered no one, and you can't even say was morally wrong. she's not a criminal and you didn't remove a criminal from the streets. you removed a Mexican from the streets and that's the only reason you care about this. the criminal rhetoric is simply bull**** to justify your bigotry.

She can feed clothe and house her children in Mexico.


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(02-09-2017 08:24 PM)maximus Wrote:  Over 1 million people from 2011-2015 had their identity stolen... and the IRS is prohibited by federal law to tell the victims. The irony

Morally ok eh? Bull ****

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/a...illegal-i/

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I wonder how many of those 1 million voted for Hillary. No wonder Obama gagged the IRS.

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(02-09-2017 07:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  she wrote that number down so she could get a job and feed, cloth, and house her children. FFS I can not think of a more trivial, victimless, and justified crime if I tried.

let's be real. any "crime" she committed hurt no one, endangered no one, and you can't even say was morally wrong. she's not a criminal and you didn't remove a criminal from the streets. you removed a Mexican from the streets and that's the only reason you care about this. the criminal rhetoric is simply bull**** to justify your bigotry.

Actually John.... the crime she committed was entering the country illegally... and because she was here illegally, she operates under the table... which is what put her in a position of needing to steal. Even if she only used someone else's social security number to get a job... that doesn't mean that nobody was harmed.
1) she's working a job that someone else might work... or that if nobody else here would for the wage, her presence keeps wages for that job from rising and/or automation to replace her in the job, which of course creates higher wage jobs.
2) since the company she works for turns into the IRS her earnings under her social security number, she subjects that person to scrutiny by the IRS... potentially endangering any income based benefits THEY might earn. They too may be poor uneducated minorities... just legally here... and not know the system or their rights or have the ability to fix it.
3) while this one person may not be an issue and her one crime may not be particularly serious... You're talking about people willing to take an unbelievable (to us) amount of risk in order to KNOWINGLY AND WITH PURPOSE break the law to make their lives better... and while THIS person may not be willing to put others at risk to keep from being kicked out... we're just guessing and hoping that stays true.

African Americans in this country are often disadvantaged because the circumstance under which they sometimes live becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. They're surrounded by crime and only modest opportunities, which leads them to commit crimes... be victims of crimes... broken homes etc etc etc. Why would the experience of illegal immigrants be dramatically different?

According to the Arizona Republic, Garcia de Rayos was convicted in 2009 for impersonation. She was charged with a felony, but her lawyers told ABC15 that raid was subsequently ruled unconstitutional. Court documents obtained by ABC15 also show that Garcia had previously been ordered to self-deport.

"Ms. Garcia, who has a prior felony conviction in Arizona for criminal impersonation, was the subject of a court-issued removal order that became final in July 2013. Ms. Garcia’s immigration case underwent review at multiple levels of the immigration court system, including the Board of Immigration Appeals, and the judges held she did not have a legal basis to remain in the U.S.

I would have told them to round them all up. Find who are legal, and released them, and deport the rest back to Mexico. ICE are not doing their jobs when it is that easy to deport so many of them all at once. Would save tax payer's money that way.

(02-09-2017 02:23 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  You know, the moment that I begin to feel the least bit sorry for her, I remember that she entered the country illegally, and that all goes away. Deport her. If she wants back in, she can get in line with everyone else that is doing it the legal way.

She was 14 years old. I seriously doubt she had any choice but please continue to hate on the woman.

It won't surprise anyone in this forum.

(02-10-2017 03:29 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  According to the Arizona Republic, Garcia de Rayos was convicted in 2009 for impersonation. She was charged with a felony, but her lawyers told ABC15 that raid was subsequently ruled unconstitutional. Court documents obtained by ABC15 also show that Garcia had previously been ordered to self-deport.

"Ms. Garcia, who has a prior felony conviction in Arizona for criminal impersonation, was the subject of a court-issued removal order that became final in July 2013. Ms. Garcia’s immigration case underwent review at multiple levels of the immigration court system, including the Board of Immigration Appeals, and the judges held she did not have a legal basis to remain in the U.S.

So there's no basis for the identity theft claim as far as the law is concerned?