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(02-09-2017 05:16 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  The Southern Athletic Association in D-3.

That said, it would be interesting to see a true Southern attempt at a Big East equivalent with large city private, non-FBS schools.

I guess it'd go something like this:

- American
- George Washington
- Richmond
- Davidson
- Furman
- Mercer
- Samford
- Jacksonville
- Charleston Southern
- Stetson

Not exactly a Big East-level powerhouse.

Now, if you add in non-FBS publics, you've got some opportunity to have a multi-bid conference:

- George Washington
- George Mason
- Richmond
- Virginia Commonwealth
- William & Mary
- Davidson
- College of Charleston
- Furman
- Samford
- Jacksonville

Very Virginia heavy though. Not a lot west of there...maybe one of the rich Texas privates non-FBS schools.

Throw Belmont and maybe Lipscomb in that first group.

If Furman is in then you have to have The Citadel too. Elon Fightin' Christians? Campbell?
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the ACC, maybe? COGS
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(02-09-2017 03:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 11:22 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 09:52 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
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(02-09-2017 08:20 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  BB in the South is just something to do to past the time when football season ends.

Really? I know that this is a football-biased board, but did everyone forget that the ACC exists?

I wouldn't say the ACC is equivalent to the Big East. If anything, the ACC is more like the Big Ten - only with more smaller, private schools.

Oh, I'd agree. I just disagree with the "SOUTH = FOOTBAWL" bias that we sometimes see here. If you look at the 6 bluest of the blue bloods in basketball (Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, Indiana and UCLA), 3 of them are located in the South. Plus, the ACC was built on basketball fandom.

Not really Frank. Three of the them are located in the Hills of the Northern part of the Old Confederacy. That makes them a unique subset of the rest of the South. Virginia is now Beltway. Kentucky has much more in common with Indiana than it does Alabama or Georgia, and their richer more cultured cousins over in North Carolina are another unique slither of culture. Georgia Tech basketball was great under Cremins but not so much since. Certainly they are better than a lot of SEC programs but they aren't really contending for ACC titles.

It's not that Southerners are just for football, but the culture here gives athletes who play football much more social credibility than those who play basketball, so football gets the studs. Baseball is the second sport. It doesn't interfere with football except for spring practice and in high school it doesn't overlap with basketball.

As for comparing the ACC to the Big 10 it works only in academics and some in breadth of sports. As for suggesting the ACC as being like the Big East, hells bells 1/4 of the ACC is the Old Big East.

I know baseball is huge in the south, but baketball is still the second sport after fb in the south for the most part. There are a couple of baseball hotbed schools like LSU who has led the nation in baseball attendance for a couple of decades now, where baseball is bigger and better attended than bb. Maybe a Mississippi State, but pretty much everywhere else in the south basketball is the second sport after fb. I believe there's a lot more money to be made from bb too. The SEC is pretty dogon impressive that they draw really well for baseball and basketball, not to mention fb.
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What is the South's equivalent to the Big East?
(02-09-2017 03:09 PM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  WCC obviously isn't a competitive peer of the Big East. But I know what you're getting at. Both consist primarily of Catholic schools.

My guess is there's not a lot of Southern Catholic universities. Let alone enough to form a viable D1 conference.
Most of the Catholic universities in the South are smaller and compete in the NAIA. Some of them have moved in to Division II, but schools like Spring Hill and Xavier (Louisiana) are hardly NCAA Division I material.
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(02-09-2017 06:58 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 11:22 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 09:52 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 08:59 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Really? I know that this is a football-biased board, but did everyone forget that the ACC exists?

I wouldn't say the ACC is equivalent to the Big East. If anything, the ACC is more like the Big Ten - only with more smaller, private schools.

Oh, I'd agree. I just disagree with the "SOUTH = FOOTBAWL" bias that we sometimes see here. If you look at the 6 bluest of the blue bloods in basketball (Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, Indiana and UCLA), 3 of them are located in the South. Plus, the ACC was built on basketball fandom.

Not really Frank. Three of the them are located in the Hills of the Northern part of the Old Confederacy. That makes them a unique subset of the rest of the South. Virginia is now Beltway. Kentucky has much more in common with Indiana than it does Alabama or Georgia, and their richer more cultured cousins over in North Carolina are another unique slither of culture. Georgia Tech basketball was great under Cremins but not so much since. Certainly they are better than a lot of SEC programs but they aren't really contending for ACC titles.

It's not that Southerners are just for football, but the culture here gives athletes who play football much more social credibility than those who play basketball, so football gets the studs. Baseball is the second sport. It doesn't interfere with football except for spring practice and in high school it doesn't overlap with basketball.

As for comparing the ACC to the Big 10 it works only in academics and some in breadth of sports. As for suggesting the ACC as being like the Big East, hells bells 1/4 of the ACC is the Old Big East.

I know baseball is huge in the south, but baketball is still the second sport after fb in the south for the most part. There are a couple of baseball hotbed schools like LSU who has led the nation in baseball attendance for a couple of decades now, where baseball is bigger and better attended than bb. Maybe a Mississippi State, but pretty much everywhere else in the south basketball is the second sport after fb. I believe there's a lot more money to be made from bb too. The SEC is pretty dogon impressive that they draw really well for baseball and basketball, not to mention fb.

Sorry, but I didn't clearly state what I was meaning to say. For those who choose football or basketball, baseball becomes the second sport of choice. But, baseball players get the second most social credibility. So, while basketball is definitely the second in earnings, basketball players don't get quite the cachet as baseball players in their home towns during their high school days. Now on the campuses there is probably little difference between the cachet of being a basketball or baseball player and both pale by comparison to the standing of football players.

The statement was made to reference why so many strong athletes choose football. It gains them the most notoriety. So basketball takes a back seat to what the public cherishes. And whether it is profitable or not, or the second money sport of our universities, basketball takes a back seat to the boys of Summer too!
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RE: What is the South's equivalent to the Big East?
(02-09-2017 05:16 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  The Southern Athletic Association in D-3.

That said, it would be interesting to see a true Southern attempt at a Big East equivalent with large city private, non-FBS schools.

I guess it'd go something like this:

- American
- George Washington
- Richmond
- Davidson
- Furman
- Mercer
- Samford
- Jacksonville
- Charleston Southern
- Stetson

Not exactly a Big East-level powerhouse.

Now, if you add in non-FBS publics, you've got some opportunity to have a multi-bid conference:

- George Washington
- George Mason
- Richmond
- Virginia Commonwealth
- William & Mary
- Davidson
- College of Charleston
- Furman
- Samford
- Jacksonville

Very Virginia heavy though. Not a lot west of there...maybe one of the rich Texas privates non-FBS schools.

That's closer to what I was talking about. Basically southern schools that are non-FBS that specialize in basketball.

Probably:

-George Washington
-George Mason
-VCU
-Richmond
-Davidson
-College of Charleston
-Mercer
-Furman
-UTC
-Samford
-Jacksonville
-Stetson

Now that I think about it, that actually looks a pretty good conference to me!!
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(02-09-2017 11:46 AM)megadrone Wrote:  Ironically, the American is the legal successor of the Big East but is probably a match for C-USA 2.0 with a couple of northern schools in the mix.
If we classify C-USA's history as "1.0" (1995-2005), "2.0" (2005-2013), and "3.0" (2013-now), then the American definitely comes a lot closer to 1.0 than 2.0
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(02-09-2017 07:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 06:58 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 11:22 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 09:52 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I wouldn't say the ACC is equivalent to the Big East. If anything, the ACC is more like the Big Ten - only with more smaller, private schools.

Oh, I'd agree. I just disagree with the "SOUTH = FOOTBAWL" bias that we sometimes see here. If you look at the 6 bluest of the blue bloods in basketball (Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, Indiana and UCLA), 3 of them are located in the South. Plus, the ACC was built on basketball fandom.

Not really Frank. Three of the them are located in the Hills of the Northern part of the Old Confederacy. That makes them a unique subset of the rest of the South. Virginia is now Beltway. Kentucky has much more in common with Indiana than it does Alabama or Georgia, and their richer more cultured cousins over in North Carolina are another unique slither of culture. Georgia Tech basketball was great under Cremins but not so much since. Certainly they are better than a lot of SEC programs but they aren't really contending for ACC titles.

It's not that Southerners are just for football, but the culture here gives athletes who play football much more social credibility than those who play basketball, so football gets the studs. Baseball is the second sport. It doesn't interfere with football except for spring practice and in high school it doesn't overlap with basketball.

As for comparing the ACC to the Big 10 it works only in academics and some in breadth of sports. As for suggesting the ACC as being like the Big East, hells bells 1/4 of the ACC is the Old Big East.

I know baseball is huge in the south, but baketball is still the second sport after fb in the south for the most part. There are a couple of baseball hotbed schools like LSU who has led the nation in baseball attendance for a couple of decades now, where baseball is bigger and better attended than bb. Maybe a Mississippi State, but pretty much everywhere else in the south basketball is the second sport after fb. I believe there's a lot more money to be made from bb too. The SEC is pretty dogon impressive that they draw really well for baseball and basketball, not to mention fb.

Sorry, but I didn't clearly state what I was meaning to say. For those who choose football or basketball, baseball becomes the second sport of choice. But, baseball players get the second most social credibility. So, while basketball is definitely the second in earnings, basketball players don't get quite the cachet as baseball players in their home towns during their high school days. Now on the campuses there is probably little difference between the cachet of being a basketball or baseball player and both pale by comparison to the standing of football players.

The statement was made to reference why so many strong athletes choose football. It gains them the most notoriety. So basketball takes a back seat to what the public cherishes. And whether it is profitable or not, or the second money sport of our universities, basketball takes a back seat to the boys of Summer too!


I'll just have to respectfully disagree with that statement. Just doing a quick check, I believe that LSU and Miss St are the only two southern schools that have a higher average attendance for Baseball than for basketball.
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(02-09-2017 09:01 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 07:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 06:58 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 11:22 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Oh, I'd agree. I just disagree with the "SOUTH = FOOTBAWL" bias that we sometimes see here. If you look at the 6 bluest of the blue bloods in basketball (Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, Indiana and UCLA), 3 of them are located in the South. Plus, the ACC was built on basketball fandom.

Not really Frank. Three of the them are located in the Hills of the Northern part of the Old Confederacy. That makes them a unique subset of the rest of the South. Virginia is now Beltway. Kentucky has much more in common with Indiana than it does Alabama or Georgia, and their richer more cultured cousins over in North Carolina are another unique slither of culture. Georgia Tech basketball was great under Cremins but not so much since. Certainly they are better than a lot of SEC programs but they aren't really contending for ACC titles.

It's not that Southerners are just for football, but the culture here gives athletes who play football much more social credibility than those who play basketball, so football gets the studs. Baseball is the second sport. It doesn't interfere with football except for spring practice and in high school it doesn't overlap with basketball.

As for comparing the ACC to the Big 10 it works only in academics and some in breadth of sports. As for suggesting the ACC as being like the Big East, hells bells 1/4 of the ACC is the Old Big East.

I know baseball is huge in the south, but baketball is still the second sport after fb in the south for the most part. There are a couple of baseball hotbed schools like LSU who has led the nation in baseball attendance for a couple of decades now, where baseball is bigger and better attended than bb. Maybe a Mississippi State, but pretty much everywhere else in the south basketball is the second sport after fb. I believe there's a lot more money to be made from bb too. The SEC is pretty dogon impressive that they draw really well for baseball and basketball, not to mention fb.

Sorry, but I didn't clearly state what I was meaning to say. For those who choose football or basketball, baseball becomes the second sport of choice. But, baseball players get the second most social credibility. So, while basketball is definitely the second in earnings, basketball players don't get quite the cachet as baseball players in their home towns during their high school days. Now on the campuses there is probably little difference between the cachet of being a basketball or baseball player and both pale by comparison to the standing of football players.

The statement was made to reference why so many strong athletes choose football. It gains them the most notoriety. So basketball takes a back seat to what the public cherishes. And whether it is profitable or not, or the second money sport of our universities, basketball takes a back seat to the boys of Summer too!


I'll just have to respectfully disagree with that statement. Just doing a quick check, I believe that LSU and Miss St are the only two southern schools that have a higher average attendance for Baseball than for basketball.

Reread my post carefully. It has nothing to do with revenue and it has nothing to do with attendance. BTW since there are many more baseball games baseball does tend to out draw basketball. And furthermore my post was about which sports offer the kids the most notoriety, especially in high school since that is where they pick their respective sports. I stated flatly that there wasn't much difference in cachet for basketball and baseball in college. But by then Cuseroc the kids have already picked their sports. The best athletes tend to be able to play whatever it is they pick well enough. Most pick football, and more pick baseball than basketball in the South. More folks at the local barbershop talk about which kid hit the longest home run, or made the greatest catch than ever talk about a basketball game. If basketball gets a mention it is for a fight that broke out during the game whether that fight was on the court or in the stands. That's about it unless the local team makes the state finals. They talk baseball every weekend of the Spring. They talk football year round!

And BTW you may want to see which SEC schools draw the most in baseball. It's true that MSU & LSU do well, but Arkansas, A&M, Ole Miss, Auburn, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, Kentucky, Georgia, and even Vanderbilt draw well. Baseball is a revenue sport in the SEC.
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(02-09-2017 09:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 09:01 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 07:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 06:58 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Not really Frank. Three of the them are located in the Hills of the Northern part of the Old Confederacy. That makes them a unique subset of the rest of the South. Virginia is now Beltway. Kentucky has much more in common with Indiana than it does Alabama or Georgia, and their richer more cultured cousins over in North Carolina are another unique slither of culture. Georgia Tech basketball was great under Cremins but not so much since. Certainly they are better than a lot of SEC programs but they aren't really contending for ACC titles.

It's not that Southerners are just for football, but the culture here gives athletes who play football much more social credibility than those who play basketball, so football gets the studs. Baseball is the second sport. It doesn't interfere with football except for spring practice and in high school it doesn't overlap with basketball.

As for comparing the ACC to the Big 10 it works only in academics and some in breadth of sports. As for suggesting the ACC as being like the Big East, hells bells 1/4 of the ACC is the Old Big East.

I know baseball is huge in the south, but baketball is still the second sport after fb in the south for the most part. There are a couple of baseball hotbed schools like LSU who has led the nation in baseball attendance for a couple of decades now, where baseball is bigger and better attended than bb. Maybe a Mississippi State, but pretty much everywhere else in the south basketball is the second sport after fb. I believe there's a lot more money to be made from bb too. The SEC is pretty dogon impressive that they draw really well for baseball and basketball, not to mention fb.

Sorry, but I didn't clearly state what I was meaning to say. For those who choose football or basketball, baseball becomes the second sport of choice. But, baseball players get the second most social credibility. So, while basketball is definitely the second in earnings, basketball players don't get quite the cachet as baseball players in their home towns during their high school days. Now on the campuses there is probably little difference between the cachet of being a basketball or baseball player and both pale by comparison to the standing of football players.

The statement was made to reference why so many strong athletes choose football. It gains them the most notoriety. So basketball takes a back seat to what the public cherishes. And whether it is profitable or not, or the second money sport of our universities, basketball takes a back seat to the boys of Summer too!


I'll just have to respectfully disagree with that statement. Just doing a quick check, I believe that LSU and Miss St are the only two southern schools that have a higher average attendance for Baseball than for basketball.

Reread my post carefully. It has nothing to do with revenue and it has nothing to do with attendance. BTW since there are many more baseball games baseball does tend to out draw basketball. And furthermore my post was about which sports offer the kids the most notoriety, especially in high school since that is where they pick their respective sports. I stated flatly that there wasn't much difference in cachet for basketball and baseball in college. But by then Cuseroc the kids have already picked their sports. The best athletes tend to be able to play whatever it is they pick well enough. Most pick football, and more pick baseball than basketball in the South. More folks at the local barbershop talk about which kid hit the longest home run, or made the greatest catch than ever talk about a basketball game. If basketball gets a mention it is for a fight that broke out during the game whether that fight was on the court or in the stands. That's about it unless the local team makes the state finals. They talk baseball every weekend of the Spring. They talk football year round!

And BTW you may want to see which SEC schools draw the most in baseball. It's true that MSU & LSU do well, but Arkansas, A&M, Ole Miss, Auburn, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, Kentucky, Georgia, and even Vanderbilt draw well. Baseball is a revenue sport in the SEC.

I appreciate your insight on the matter but I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. Im from the south and I have a second home in Florida. The circle that I run with in Florida, I can honestly say that I have never heard any friends or relatives or anyone talk about college baseball, ever. Lets just agree to disagree 04-cheers
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