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RE: What is the South's equivalent to the Big East?
(02-09-2017 07:56 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  We really don't do BB in the South.

Especially on Wed night, that is Church night I believe.
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(02-09-2017 08:20 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 07:56 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  We really don't do BB in the South.
BB in the South is just something to do to past the time when football season ends.

BB just means baseball in the South, not basketball.
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RE: What is the South's equivalent to the Big East?
WCC obviously isn't a competitive peer of the Big East. But I know what you're getting at. Both consist primarily of Catholic schools.

My guess is there's not a lot of Southern Catholic universities. Let alone enough to form a viable D1 conference.
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RE: What is the South's equivalent to the Big East?
(02-09-2017 11:22 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 09:52 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 08:59 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 08:20 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 07:56 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  We really don't do BB in the South.
BB in the South is just something to do to past the time when football season ends.

Really? I know that this is a football-biased board, but did everyone forget that the ACC exists?

I wouldn't say the ACC is equivalent to the Big East. If anything, the ACC is more like the Big Ten - only with more smaller, private schools.

Oh, I'd agree. I just disagree with the "SOUTH = FOOTBAWL" bias that we sometimes see here. If you look at the 6 bluest of the blue bloods in basketball (Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, Indiana and UCLA), 3 of them are located in the South. Plus, the ACC was built on basketball fandom.

Not really Frank. Three of the them are located in the Hills of the Northern part of the Old Confederacy. That makes them a unique subset of the rest of the South. Virginia is now Beltway. Kentucky has much more in common with Indiana than it does Alabama or Georgia, and their richer more cultured cousins over in North Carolina are another unique slither of culture. Georgia Tech basketball was great under Cremins but not so much since. Certainly they are better than a lot of SEC programs but they aren't really contending for ACC titles.

It's not that Southerners are just for football, but the culture here gives athletes who play football much more social credibility than those who play basketball, so football gets the studs. Baseball is the second sport. It doesn't interfere with football except for spring practice and in high school it doesn't overlap with basketball.

As for comparing the ACC to the Big 10 it works only in academics and some in breadth of sports. As for suggesting the ACC as being like the Big East, hells bells 1/4 of the ACC is the Old Big East.
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RE: What is the South's equivalent to the Big East?
For a brief moment in time, the south had some pretty competitive non-football leagues in the Metro, Sun Belt and even the short-lived American South.

UAB, USF, South Alabama, and Charlotte all added football. Georgia Tech, South Carolina and later Louisville all moved to power conferences. Others moved from FCS to FBS. Then you had Lamar, New Orleans, Jacksonville and the school formerly known as UT Pan American shifting to independence or weaker leagues for generally financial reasons.

Replicating an A10, WCC, Valley in the South is a challenge.
Just finding a core group of schools without football in the south is a tough task, most in that category cannot afford membership in a league that mimics the SEC footprint because of Olympic sport travel costs.

Even if you started with non-football and FCS schools with more than one NCAA appearance and at least one field of 64 win in the past two decades to start a league you don't have a lot to work with.
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RE: What is the South's equivalent to the Big East?
(02-09-2017 03:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 11:22 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 09:52 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 08:59 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 08:20 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  BB in the South is just something to do to past the time when football season ends.

Really? I know that this is a football-biased board, but did everyone forget that the ACC exists?

I wouldn't say the ACC is equivalent to the Big East. If anything, the ACC is more like the Big Ten - only with more smaller, private schools.

Oh, I'd agree. I just disagree with the "SOUTH = FOOTBAWL" bias that we sometimes see here. If you look at the 6 bluest of the blue bloods in basketball (Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, Indiana and UCLA), 3 of them are located in the South. Plus, the ACC was built on basketball fandom.

Not really Frank. Three of the them are located in the Hills of the Northern part of the Old Confederacy. That makes them a unique subset of the rest of the South. Virginia is now Beltway. Kentucky has much more in common with Indiana than it does Alabama or Georgia, and their richer more cultured cousins over in North Carolina are another unique slither of culture. Georgia Tech basketball was great under Cremins but not so much since. Certainly they are better than a lot of SEC programs but they aren't really contending for ACC titles.

It's not that Southerners are just for football, but the culture here gives athletes who play football much more social credibility than those who play basketball, so football gets the studs. Baseball is the second sport. It doesn't interfere with football except for spring practice and in high school it doesn't overlap with basketball.

As for comparing the ACC to the Big 10 it works only in academics and some in breadth of sports. As for suggesting the ACC as being like the Big East, hells bells 1/4 of the ACC is the Old Big East.

Good points. And Kentucky wasn't even in the Confeseracy. It's more of an Ohio Valley border state.
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RE: What is the South's equivalent to the Big East?
I never really thought of the metro conference as a contemporary of the WCC or A10 when they exisited. More like a contemporary of the AAC.

The SBC of the 80's had New Orleans and Jacksonville when it was a power. It was a 2-4 bid conference like the A10.

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RE: What is the South's equivalent to the Big East?
C-USA 1.0 was that equivalent but they were not exclusively Southern but a mix of Midwestern/Southern basketball first schoools.

Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
UAB
Charlotte
DePaul
Marquette
St Louis

Other than that, there's no Southern equivalent to the Big East.
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RE: What is the South's equivalent to the Big East?
(02-09-2017 03:54 PM)Bill Marsh Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 11:22 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 09:52 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 08:59 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Really? I know that this is a football-biased board, but did everyone forget that the ACC exists?

I wouldn't say the ACC is equivalent to the Big East. If anything, the ACC is more like the Big Ten - only with more smaller, private schools.

Oh, I'd agree. I just disagree with the "SOUTH = FOOTBAWL" bias that we sometimes see here. If you look at the 6 bluest of the blue bloods in basketball (Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, Indiana and UCLA), 3 of them are located in the South. Plus, the ACC was built on basketball fandom.

Not really Frank. Three of the them are located in the Hills of the Northern part of the Old Confederacy. That makes them a unique subset of the rest of the South. Virginia is now Beltway. Kentucky has much more in common with Indiana than it does Alabama or Georgia, and their richer more cultured cousins over in North Carolina are another unique slither of culture. Georgia Tech basketball was great under Cremins but not so much since. Certainly they are better than a lot of SEC programs but they aren't really contending for ACC titles.

It's not that Southerners are just for football, but the culture here gives athletes who play football much more social credibility than those who play basketball, so football gets the studs. Baseball is the second sport. It doesn't interfere with football except for spring practice and in high school it doesn't overlap with basketball.

As for comparing the ACC to the Big 10 it works only in academics and some in breadth of sports. As for suggesting the ACC as being like the Big East, hells bells 1/4 of the ACC is the Old Big East.

Good points. And Kentucky wasn't even in the Confeseracy. It's more of an Ohio Valley border state.

True, but North Carolina and Duke were of course. Kentucky was a true border state.
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RE: What is the South's equivalent to the Big East?
The Southern Athletic Association in D-3.

That said, it would be interesting to see a true Southern attempt at a Big East equivalent with large city private, non-FBS schools.

I guess it'd go something like this:

- American
- George Washington
- Richmond
- Davidson
- Furman
- Mercer
- Samford
- Jacksonville
- Charleston Southern
- Stetson

Not exactly a Big East-level powerhouse.

Now, if you add in non-FBS publics, you've got some opportunity to have a multi-bid conference:

- George Washington
- George Mason
- Richmond
- Virginia Commonwealth
- William & Mary
- Davidson
- College of Charleston
- Furman
- Samford
- Jacksonville

Very Virginia heavy though. Not a lot west of there...maybe one of the rich Texas privates non-FBS schools.
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