(02-07-2017 05:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 05:24 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 05:06 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 05:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 12:45 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  You're missing the point then.

When Trump fails to condemn the actions of Putin, he empowers Putin to continue to act as if nothing is wrong.

You don't need Trump to approve Putin's actions for it to be shameful. He's tacitly implying that he doesn't care what Putin does, which is at odds with the ethos of our country.

No...I get the point clearly. He knows he is going to need to work with this guy at some point and is avoiding talking schit about him. It does not take a degree in geopolitics to understand this.

are you for f***ing real?

Its not that complicated. The problem is you guys are trying to make too much of this. It is just that simple to him. He approaches this stuff differently than anyone ever in the office. You forget who in the hell Trump is. You cant use conventional wisdom or past ways of thinking with this guy John. Start think like Trump...not...a career politician.

Trump has insulted/pissed off the leaders of every NATO country, every Muslim country, Mexico, Australia, but heaven forbid he says one bad thing about Putin. again I ask: are you for f***ing real?

He did not deny the Putin was a killer. In fact...if you were paying attention?...He said so without saying the words. "lots of killers" means he understands Putin is a killer. In no way did he disagree with O'reilly on that point. He just made the point that there are lots of killers out there and we have been involved with lots of them. You deny that? Ill give you the list if you need it..but..Im sure you already know most of them. BTW...I think he is a dick and he needs to calm down his rhetoric.

(02-06-2017 10:43 PM)john01992 Wrote:  If Obama had said what Trump said the cons would be f***ing livid.

Also Putin is responsible for the deaths of 1000s. Civilians in Ukraine, MH 17, plus a shitload of journalists and opposition politicians.

Well yeah. I think most of what Trump has done so far would've set America on fire if it was done 2008-2016.

Double standards are human.

(02-07-2017 06:09 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 10:43 PM)john01992 Wrote:  If Obama had said what Trump said the cons would be f***ing livid.

Also Putin is responsible for the deaths of 1000s. Civilians in Ukraine, MH 17, plus a shitload of journalists and opposition politicians.

Well yeah. I think most of what Trump has done so far would've set America on fire if it was done 2008-2016.

Double standards are human.

Other may have bashed Obama for that "killers" comment...No me. I know about our history and understand exactly what the context of it is. Anyone that thinks the USA is squeaky clean is needs a history lesson. Ive been consistently against US interventionism. I still am.

(02-07-2017 06:13 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 06:09 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 10:43 PM)john01992 Wrote:  If Obama had said what Trump said the cons would be f***ing livid.

Also Putin is responsible for the deaths of 1000s. Civilians in Ukraine, MH 17, plus a shitload of journalists and opposition politicians.

Well yeah. I think most of what Trump has done so far would've set America on fire if it was done 2008-2016.

Double standards are human.

Other may have bashed Obama for that "killers" comment...No me. I know about our history and understand exactly what the context of it is. Anyone that thinks the USA is squeaky clean is needs a history lesson. Ive been consistently against US interventionism. I still am.

I know the old Fo has gone against US interventionism.

****, I don't even necessarily disagree with what Trump said. My issue is with the others who would've pulled out the Ben Franklin costumes and driven to Washington tonight.

(02-07-2017 06:09 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 10:43 PM)john01992 Wrote:  If Obama had said what Trump said the cons would be f***ing livid.

Also Putin is responsible for the deaths of 1000s. Civilians in Ukraine, MH 17, plus a shitload of journalists and opposition politicians.

Well yeah. I think most of what Trump has done so far would've set America on fire if it was done 2008-2016.

Double standards are human.

Nomad, Obama did more speeches than we can count, especially abroad, dissing the USA. Trump had an interview with O'Reilly and his remarks were off of the cuff, not planned and prepared. Big difference.

(02-07-2017 06:21 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 06:09 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 10:43 PM)john01992 Wrote:  If Obama had said what Trump said the cons would be f***ing livid.

Also Putin is responsible for the deaths of 1000s. Civilians in Ukraine, MH 17, plus a shitload of journalists and opposition politicians.

Well yeah. I think most of what Trump has done so far would've set America on fire if it was done 2008-2016.

Double standards are human.

Nomad, Obama did more speeches than we can count, especially abroad, dissing the USA. Trump had an interview with O'Reilly and his remarks were off of the cuff, not planned and prepared. Big difference.

It's your right to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's your guy and you can't have a negative opinion of him in this climate, so I understand your position. It's mine not to.

(02-07-2017 06:21 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 06:09 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 10:43 PM)john01992 Wrote:  If Obama had said what Trump said the cons would be f***ing livid.

Also Putin is responsible for the deaths of 1000s. Civilians in Ukraine, MH 17, plus a shitload of journalists and opposition politicians.

Well yeah. I think most of what Trump has done so far would've set America on fire if it was done 2008-2016.

Double standards are human.

Nomad, Obama did more speeches than we can count, especially abroad, dissing the USA. Trump had an interview with O'Reilly and his remarks were off of the cuff, not planned and prepared. Big difference.

I think that is a valid point. O'reilly asked him a gotcha question. Im actually kind of impressed in the way he answered it. Honestly.

(02-07-2017 05:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 12:45 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 12:17 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 09:36 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 06:44 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I think Trump is very awkward in interviews and often does not choose his words very well. This was another instance. In his defense...He did NOT dispute O'reilly's assertion that Putin was not a killer. He simply made a point that the US does not have clean hands in regard to working with them historically. We have in fact installed, supported,worked with and still have them as allies. Saddam,Noriega,Pinochet,Negy,Marcos,Karimov and our good buddy King Abdullah...to just name a few. We even got cozy early on with Adolf. So...He is correct. It may not have been worded well..but..correct none the less.

“When has a Democratic political activists [sic] been poisoned by the GOP, or vice versa? We are not the same as Putin.” ~ Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.)

Im still waiting on someone to present any proof of Trump saying that he approves of Putin's actions.

You're missing the point then.

When Trump fails to condemn the actions of Putin, he empowers Putin to continue to act as if nothing is wrong.

You don't need Trump to approve Putin's actions for it to be shameful. He's tacitly implying that he doesn't care what Putin does, which is at odds with the ethos of our country.

No...I get the point clearly. He knows he is going to need to work with this guy at some point and is avoiding talking schit about him. It does not take a degree in geopolitics to understand this.

Right. Maybe some attack dog in the Senate could, but the President can't. Especially with a leader so hung up on his macho image as Putin.

(02-07-2017 05:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 05:24 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 05:06 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 05:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 12:45 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  You're missing the point then.

When Trump fails to condemn the actions of Putin, he empowers Putin to continue to act as if nothing is wrong.

You don't need Trump to approve Putin's actions for it to be shameful. He's tacitly implying that he doesn't care what Putin does, which is at odds with the ethos of our country.

No...I get the point clearly. He knows he is going to need to work with this guy at some point and is avoiding talking schit about him. It does not take a degree in geopolitics to understand this.

are you for f***ing real?

Its not that complicated. The problem is you guys are trying to make too much of this. It is just that simple to him. He approaches this stuff differently than anyone ever in the office. You forget who in the hell Trump is. You cant use conventional wisdom or past ways of thinking with this guy John. Start think like Trump...not...a career politician.

Trump has insulted/pissed off the leaders of every NATO country, every Muslim country, Mexico, Australia, but heaven forbid he says one bad thing about Putin. again I ask: are you for f***ing real?

You got a link or source for that wild-ass claim?

(02-06-2017 11:07 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 11:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 11:01 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 10:47 PM)banker Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 10:16 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Putin did not ask for an apology from President Trump.

Yeah, you lost me. I don't even know where that reply came from.

This thread is about the media inserting themselves into foreign policy. Almost to the point where the Press thinks they know better and were actually elected. The bad news is that many journalists on the ground in the heat of it sometimes die. Bill o Really is forgetting that and making himself "the story".

FFS you are making me defend Bill Oriley & FNC. this is f***ed up.

No worries! You are not doing well.

That may make you feel better.

Probably not. Johnny is used to not doing well around here. It's his default setting.

(02-07-2017 06:07 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 05:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 05:24 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 05:06 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 05:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  No...I get the point clearly. He knows he is going to need to work with this guy at some point and is avoiding talking schit about him. It does not take a degree in geopolitics to understand this.

are you for f***ing real?

Its not that complicated. The problem is you guys are trying to make too much of this. It is just that simple to him. He approaches this stuff differently than anyone ever in the office. You forget who in the hell Trump is. You cant use conventional wisdom or past ways of thinking with this guy John. Start think like Trump...not...a career politician.

Trump has insulted/pissed off the leaders of every NATO country, every Muslim country, Mexico, Australia, but heaven forbid he says one bad thing about Putin. again I ask: are you for f***ing real?

He did not deny the Putin was a killer. In fact...if you were paying attention?...He said so without saying the words. "lots of killers" means he understands Putin is a killer. In no way did he disagree with O'reilly on that point. He just made the point that there are lots of killers out there and we have been involved with lots of them. You deny that? Ill give you the list if you need it..but..Im sure you already know most of them. BTW...I think he is a dick and he needs to calm down his rhetoric.

This is calm.

(02-07-2017 07:51 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 06:07 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 05:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 05:24 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 05:06 PM)john01992 Wrote:  are you for f***ing real?

Its not that complicated. The problem is you guys are trying to make too much of this. It is just that simple to him. He approaches this stuff differently than anyone ever in the office. You forget who in the hell Trump is. You cant use conventional wisdom or past ways of thinking with this guy John. Start think like Trump...not...a career politician.

Trump has insulted/pissed off the leaders of every NATO country, every Muslim country, Mexico, Australia, but heaven forbid he says one bad thing about Putin. again I ask: are you for f***ing real?

He did not deny the Putin was a killer. In fact...if you were paying attention?...He said so without saying the words. "lots of killers" means he understands Putin is a killer. In no way did he disagree with O'reilly on that point. He just made the point that there are lots of killers out there and we have been involved with lots of them. You deny that? Ill give you the list if you need it..but..Im sure you already know most of them. BTW...I think he is a dick and he needs to calm down his rhetoric.

This is calm.

If so....We are in for a wild ass ride.