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RE: How will "Bathroom Bills" impact college sports?
Interestingly Cal opens the season in Chapel Hill this year.
Who will pay their expenses?
02-07-2017 12:28 PM
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RE: How will "Bathroom Bills" impact college sports?
(02-07-2017 06:47 AM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  NC HB2 causing problems for Elon's 2017 football schedule (link to full article is below/not a long article if you want to read it)

"Elon is slated to play the State University of New York at Albany in a home game in 2017, but New York’s ban on nonessential travel to the state of North Carolina has created complications for the two schools and the Colonial Athletic Association (CAA).

And while most schools in the CAA have released their schedules during the past few days, Elon’s and UAlbany’s remain in limbo while the schools and CAA commissioner Joe D’Antonio attempt to work out a way to play the game.

When New York Governor Andrew Cuomo banned all non-essential state travel to North Carolina March 28, 2016, the CAA did not feel an immediate impact from the move. The only all-sports school from New York — Hofstra University — is a private institution, and thus not beholden to the ban.

But two football-only schools — UAlbany and Stony Brook University — are state schools. Elon played at UAlbany Oct. 29, 2016, and Albany is supposed to return to face the Phoenix in 2017.

In a phone interview Saturday, Jan. 21, CAA spokesman Rob Washburn said the parties are exploring all alternatives, but didn’t comment when asked if the game may not be played at all." (Bold is mine)

http://www.elonnewsnetwork.com/article/2...y-new-york

Don't think the ACC has any scheduling issues (besides they can't get NCAA sanctioned events). I don't know about other schools here in NC but HB2 is certainly having an impact on Elon.

The New York order has the same proviso about prior contractual obligations that the California bill does. Can Albany and Stony Brook's agreement with CAA Football be considered a contractual obligation, and if so, wouldn't they be obligated to adhere to whatever schedule the conference creates?
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RE: How will "Bathroom Bills" impact college sports?
(02-07-2017 12:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  Interestingly Cal opens the season in Chapel Hill this year.
Who will pay their expenses?

That game was contractually established prior to Jan. 1, so it should be SOP.
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RE: How will "Bathroom Bills" impact college sports?
(02-07-2017 10:51 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  These are laws designed to fix an issue that hasn't been an issue. It never has been an issue. The whole thing is a manufactured crisis and its silly.

It actually makes a great deal of sense on a certain level. We live in a world filled with fear, much of either manufactured whole cloth or ramped up from a much smaller legit core. What better type of issue to fire up the bases - born-agains, L+ people, whatever - than an issue that anyone with half a brain knows really doesn't matter? We can get all fired up and we can chant heyheyhoho and we can pray to baby Jesus but at the end of the day it's just like episodic TV: nothing has changed and the next episode starts exactly where the last one did. So we can feel this little frisson (sorry, I went to UAB so I use words like frisson) but it's not really going to kill us and we can sleep just fine at night.
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(02-07-2017 12:34 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  The New York order has the same proviso about prior contractual obligations that the California bill does. Can Albany and Stony Brook's agreement with CAA Football be considered a contractual obligation, and if so, wouldn't they be obligated to adhere to whatever schedule the conference creates?

Alright, I asked a government attorney who won't be affiliated with this decision. This person thinks yes, conference membership rules could be interpreted as a prior contractual obligation. That doesn't count as official legal advice, just the musings of sports fans.

UAlbany did back out of a non-conference men's basketball game at Duke, but that obviously didn't have anything to do with conference affiliation.
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(02-07-2017 09:29 AM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  I'll be curious to see how restrooms are designed at stadiums and arenas in the future. It's not uncommon already for small restaurants to have two non-gender-specific restrooms, at least in the East Coast cities where I'm likely to be. This would be impractical at a sports facility where you can't dedicate that sort of space to giving everyone exclusive use of a toilet and sink for however long they want. Could we see non-gender-specific sink areas? And larger, more private stalls that aren't gender-specific?

A few places here in phoenix are going to all stalls, with a common sink area.

Seems to be working with no issues.
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RE: How will "Bathroom Bills" impact college sports?
I would hate to see public sports facilities make drastic changes to their bathroom plans just to comply with laws that have no real purpose anyway. As others have pointed out, there has never been a problem in the past, and the proposed or already enacted bills actually create a problem that never existed.

The very fact that sports are an arena most clearly affected is likely IMO to be the thing that makes bill proponents back down. Americans will put up with a lot of crap, but when it starts to limit who and where schools can schedule sports events, we will probably draw the line. Football and basketball aren't life or death to Americans - they are a lot more important than that.

Give it time, and we'll all come to our senses.
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RE: How will "Bathroom Bills" impact college sports?
(02-06-2017 07:31 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  First, please don't debate whether so-called "bathroom bills" are right or wrong, or if California is right/wrong on prohibiting travel to these states. I don't want this thread to end up in the Spin Room. I want to discuss how this affects college sports.


California has banned any "STATE-FUNDED AND STATE-SPONSORED TRAVEL" to states with transgender bathroom bills. I have confirmed that this includes any travel by any university representative that will be reimbursed by any source affiliated with the university (including the endowment or other private donors arranged through the school). To my knowledge, this includes the sports team of any state-sponsored university.

As of now, the list of banned states is Tennessee, Kansas, Mississippi, and North Carolina. Also, a dozen more states (including Washington and Wyoming) have introduced "bathroom bills" to their legislatures this year.

If Washington or Wyoming pass their bathroom bills, this means that conference games will have to be canceled for Cal & UCLA or for San Diego State, Fresno State, and San Jose State. Could this cause more conference reallignment? Or will the state schools in Washington/Wyoming (or whoever else passes a bathroom bill) abandon their right to home conference games?

I hope everyone keeps it civil.


I think people might do well to understand that the legislation in California and NY only addresses localities where they've passed a bill that is anti-LGBT. They haven't (yet) passed bills banning to places where no protections ever existed. If California or NY or Mass did that, then the real chaos would ensue.

This could cause more conference realignment.

The Pac12 - will be fine so long as none of their states pass anti-LGBT bills. This looks unlikely at this point.
The ACC - does NOT have a problem at this time as they currently have no PUBLIC institutions covered by these bills
The CAA - has a big problem.
The Atlantic 10 - MIGHT have a problem if Rhode Island or Mass pass similar legislation banning travel to states with anti-LGBT bills.
The AAC - MIGHT have a problem if CT follows NY.

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So long as its just one or two states that are unable to host, most conferences and sporting events can just move around them. Ok, CT passes the same bill...then ECU and Uconn just don't play. And NC doesn't get to host anything. For teams like UNC or Duke, plenty of teams will want to play them OOC. I'm seeing the smaller schools paying the biggest price for this. Schools like Elon, Gardner-Webb, and App. These schools will find getting OOC games at home much harder to find and might have issues with football scheduling as well.

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One final note.

At least one of Wyoming's anti-LGBT bills died this week. I'd be VERY surprised if the Dems passed a bill like NC's in Washington state. At least one of the three Alabama bills is dead. Someone will decide to pass a bill. But it might allow for cities and counties to pass their own ordinances mitigating it.

I'm watching Texas right now.
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(02-07-2017 12:30 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  It can put teams in an awkward position, especially for the NCAA Tournament for Olympic sports where you can't really control where teams go.

Last year UC Santa Barbara baseball was sent to Vanderbilt for a regional. Let's say we were to meet them in a Super Regional. The travel ban prevents us from going to Nashville, and our facility is not suitable for hosting. What then?

You'd be playing somewhere else. So long as the numbers of states that are not acceptable is small, its easy enough for the NCAA to just keep California and NY teams out of those regionals.
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RE: How will "Bathroom Bills" impact college sports?
One thing to keep in mind is that the NCAA itself agrees with the sentiment behind these "no travel" laws. Just look at how they reacted in NC. So whatever they end up doing, I think it's more likely that schools in those states with bathroom bills get screwed rather than schools in Cali/NY.
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