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Has Jeff Jones ever been called for a technical?

As I watched our slowroll implosion last sat, I was thinking he should've blown up... shown some excitement (like BT). At least the players would feel it

(02-07-2017 09:38 AM)Petey Hodge Wrote:  Has Jeff Jones ever been called for a technical?

As I watched our slowroll implosion last sat, I was thinking he should've blown up... shown some excitement (like BT). At least the players would feel it

Excitement is not really JJs thing. If you were fortunate enough to live closer and attend more games in person, you would understand just how little excitement there is in the program, the fans, the players. The man may be the all time greatest excitement killer. JJ is basically a rain cloud that casts a pall of gloom over every basketball thing he interacts with... except donors, apparently he gets along well with them.

(02-07-2017 08:41 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  I think everyone is giving up on this team way too early. Yes, we just suffered a bad loss at home, but we are still in third place in this conference. This week we have an opportunity to excel, playing on the road against league leader, MTSU, and UAB. This team does have enough skill to win one or even both of these games, and winning just one of them will keep us in the top four. It is definitely crunch week, but don't give up on our Monarchs now. I see us rebounding from this bad loss with at least one really good win.

After this week, we get a Thursday off, and then the rest of the schedule includes home games against Charlotte, Marshall, and Western Kentucky before closing out on the road against UTEP and UTSA. Frankly, I see the Monarchs closing out the remainder of the season by gaining momentum and going into the tournament safely in the top four and likely being number two or three.

Have a little faith, guys. It's a fun place to be.

The combined home conference records for our last 4 road opponents is 18-1. We have lost twice as many home games in 6 attempts. Not to mention we have lost to 2 out of out 3 of our final home opponents. I'm super confident. But I did see a pig flying the other day so I guess anything can happen.

(02-07-2017 09:51 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 09:38 AM)Petey Hodge Wrote:  Has Jeff Jones ever been called for a technical?

As I watched our slowroll implosion last sat, I was thinking he should've blown up... shown some excitement (like BT). At least the players would feel it

Excitement is not really JJs thing. If you were fortunate enough to live closer and attend more games in person, you would understand just how little excitement there is in the program, the fans, the players. The man may be the all time greatest excitement killer. JJ is basically a rain cloud that casts a pall of gloom over every basketball thing he interacts with... except donors, apparently he gets along well with them.

Haha I mean it's not THAT bad but it's pretty bad, yeah.

Haha yeah that's fairly dramatic. But he isn't a guy that's going to jump up and down and go nuts all over the court that's for sure.

(02-07-2017 10:08 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  Haha yeah that's fairly dramatic. But he isn't a guy that's going to jump up and down and go nuts all over the court that's for sure.

Okay, so maybe it was a little hyperbole.

Some of you should be hopping we lose every game the rest of the season; that could force Wood's hand

(02-07-2017 10:39 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Some of you should be hopping we lose every game the rest of the season; that could force Wood's hand

Force his hand? Outside of some unforeseen violations/etc., if we lose every remaining game left, there's 0% chance of there being a change in the HC position for MBB. I would say that percentage goes up if we're still having this conversation a year from now. Now there's a better argument for the WBB HC, but with 1 more year on KB's contract, I highly doubt that ODU is willing to shell out the money to replace her when they can just do it when her contract is up.

You all better be careful what you wish for. A lot of you sound like you want Jeff Jones fired right now. You should probably hold off until we bring in the two snipers.

Here's my two cents on all this, having followed ODU since 1976...

We have regular posters on this site who say the same exact thing each time ODU falls behind in a contest. "Jeff Jones is getting outcoached...Bobby Wilder can't make in-game adjustments...we're losing and this falls squarely on the coach..."

We get it. Apparently Wood Selig is oblivious to all this. It makes me wish that certain poster(s) here would take over the basketball reins because their so-called knowledge of the sport apparently is far superior to anyone Selig has hired or would hire (pardon my sarcasm).

That said, here is my problem with Jones: he is turning out an incredibly boring product.

In my wildest dreams ODU one day makes a run at the Final Four. But in my four decades of watching the Monarchs, we have never even sniffed those heights. And if we are to never get to that level, I'd much rather watch a Sonny Allen-type team running up and down the court and making things exciting.

Jones, IMO, is giving us a plodding (often boring) style of play that is tough to watch. More importantly I don't see his style of coaching as one that appeals to recruits. And lack of 3-4 star recruits means we are stuck where we are: a decent Mid-Major who cannot make the NCAA Tournament on a regular basis.

Point being, I would shed no tears if Jones was replaced. If that were to happen, however, we need someone who can inject some life into the program and excite not only potential recruits, but our fanbase as well. Otherwise, I'm afraid the only regular initials in our future are NIT and CBIT...

(02-07-2017 10:39 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Some of you should be hopping we lose every game the rest of the season; that could force Wood's hand

Eh, I don't think that would get him fired. Then he would win 20 games next year and get 3 more years because of the incredible improvement that he made from one season to the next.

In reality, this is the essence of why I am so annoyed with having JJ. If you look at his overall win/loss record here, from an administrator and non serious fan's perspective, you would ask how in the world could you fire him, even after next season. He does enough to keep his job, but to me, it is obvious he will never really elevate the program. Oh and its boring. The only way we get rid of him is if attendance continues to decline. We are way down right now. I think if you get to an average of around 5k, then the admin has to take a long hard look.

Just to break the numbers out. I am going to say we are capable of drawing an average of 7,500 if we had the program rolling.

7500-5000 = 2500 empty seats

2500*15 (I am not sure what avg ticket price is)= $37,500 per game

37,500 * 15 games this year = $562,500 per year

That does not count lost donations, and lower concessions.

I think a half million dollars a year will move the needle.

Announced attendance for FAU was 6,985. I havent looked at any other box scores but that's close to the number you're estimating for when we're really rolling. If we are rolling, I would put that at a higher number.

The loss right now is at the concession stands, since there is no way 6.9k havs been at a game in the last month.

(02-07-2017 10:52 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote:  Here's my two cents on all this, having followed ODU since 1976...

We have regular posters on this site who say the same exact thing each time ODU falls behind in a contest. "Jeff Jones is getting outcoached...Bobby Wilder can't make in-game adjustments...we're losing and this falls squarely on the coach..."

We get it. Apparently Wood Selig is oblivious to all this. It makes me wish that certain poster(s) here would take over the basketball reins because their so-called knowledge of the sport apparently is far superior to anyone Selig has hired or would hire (pardon my sarcasm).

That said, here is my problem with Jones: he is turning out an incredibly boring product.

In my wildest dreams ODU one day makes a run at the Final Four. But in my four decades of watching the Monarchs, we have never even sniffed those heights. And if we are to never get to that level, I'd much rather watch a Sonny Allen-type team running up and down the court and making things exciting.

Jones, IMO, is giving us a plodding (often boring) style of play that is tough to watch. More importantly I don't see his style of coaching as one that appeals to recruits. And lack of 3-4 star recruits means we are stuck where we are: a decent Mid-Major who cannot make the NCAA Tournament on a regular basis.

Point being, I would shed no tears if Jones was replaced. If that were to happen, however, we need someone who can inject some life into the program and excite not only potential recruits, but our fanbase as well. Otherwise, I'm afraid the only regular initials in our future are NIT and CBIT...

This is what we needed after Blaine was fired. But Woody was as oblivious then as he is now.

So who would the fanbase rather have as a replacement? A hot up and comer from a "lower" conference, or a person at a P5 who isn't cutting it there?

I can see how a lot of people are calling for JJ's head but it's not like there's a ton of options out there waiting to get in line for the next ODU job.

(02-07-2017 11:13 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Announced attendance for FAU was 6,985. I havent looked at any other box scores but that's close to the number you're estimating for when we're really rolling. If we are rolling, I would put that at a higher number.

The loss right now is at the concession stands, since there is no way 6.9k havs been at a game in the last month.

Yeah, it was a good crowd Saturday. But most of the recent games before that one were really light. I think there may have been some promo this past weekend.

Also, a lot of season ticket holders are not showing up. Those tickets, of course are counted. If the number of season tickets sold next year reflects the number of people actually showing up this year, then we will see a pretty big dip.

(02-07-2017 11:25 AM)odu09 Wrote:  So who would the fanbase rather have as a replacement? A hot up and comer from a "lower" conference, or a person at a P5 who isn't cutting it there?

I can see how a lot of people are calling for JJ's head but it's not like there's a ton of options out there waiting to get in line for the next ODU job.

Fans want the "next big thing." The young coach from a smaller school.

(02-07-2017 11:25 AM)odu09 Wrote:  So who would the fanbase rather have as a replacement? A hot up and comer from a "lower" conference, or a person at a P5 who isn't cutting it there?

I can see how a lot of people are calling for JJ's head but it's not like there's a ton of options out there waiting to get in line for the next ODU job.

Count me among the up and comer or P5 assistant side. I haven't really been putting a bunch of though into it at this point, so I am not sure who that person is, but I assure you we could find a good coach as long as we pay a reasonable amount.

(02-07-2017 11:25 AM)odu09 Wrote:  So who would the fanbase rather have as a replacement? A hot up and comer from a "lower" conference, or a person at a P5 who isn't cutting it there?

I can see how a lot of people are calling for JJ's head but it's not like there's a ton of options out there waiting to get in line for the next ODU job.

I have neither the time nor inclination to scan the benches of 300+ college teams to look for a new coach. But I do know what we don't want and that is a retread like Jeff Jones, who has been to the top and will never get there again. Some other local examples are Pat Kennedy at Towson or Paul Hewitt at GMU. I'd rather take a chance on one failing the first time rather than a guy who has failed once or twice before.

(02-07-2017 11:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 11:25 AM)odu09 Wrote:  So who would the fanbase rather have as a replacement? A hot up and comer from a "lower" conference, or a person at a P5 who isn't cutting it there?

I can see how a lot of people are calling for JJ's head but it's not like there's a ton of options out there waiting to get in line for the next ODU job.

Fans want the "next big thing." The young coach from a smaller school.

Its natural. The P5 guy has, by definition, failed, but there are a few I would be happy to take. Brad Brownell may be one.

(02-07-2017 11:04 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 10:39 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Some of you should be hopping we lose every game the rest of the season; that could force Wood's hand

Eh, I don't think that would get him fired. Then he would win 20 games next year and get 3 more years because of the incredible improvement that he made from one season to the next.

In reality, this is the essence of why I am so annoyed with having JJ. If you look at his overall win/loss record here, from an administrator and non serious fan's perspective, you would ask how in the world could you fire him, even after next season. He does enough to keep his job, but to me, it is obvious he will never really elevate the program. Oh and its boring. The only way we get rid of him is if attendance continues to decline. We are way down right now. I think if you get to an average of around 5k, then the admin has to take a long hard look.

Just to break the numbers out. I am going to say we are capable of drawing an average of 7,500 if we had the program rolling.

7500-5000 = 2500 empty seats

2500*15 (I am not sure what avg ticket price is)= $37,500 per game

37,500 * 15 games this year = $562,500 per year

That does not count lost donations, and lower concessions.

I think a half million dollars a year will move the needle.

You don't simply add 2,500 additional spectators without increasing expenses. We'd likely be lucky to average 1/3 the revenue you estimated from a 2,500 ticket increase.