(02-12-2017 02:22 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: Cal is the best public in the nation
Only if you value getting the best possible utterly useless degree.
Based on personal experience with their grads, I'd take the average GT alumni over Cal for pure smarts any day, but how many Nobel laureates are on your faculty? However, Cal definitely has more national name recognition, again, I believe part of which is due to the lack of the same abundance of elite schools out West. Heck, GT is not considered by some to be the best school in Atlanta. That sort of situation simply doesn't exist in the West. Anyway, Cal & GT are very different. In my mind, GT is more like a public version of MIT or Cal Tech.
(This post was last modified: 02-12-2017 03:08 PM by CrazyPaco.)
It doesn't hurt to be in a temperate climate but that isn't the only reason for their success. Stanford recruits nationally. Just under half of their football players come from the eastern and central time zones. Less than 30% come from California.
I think the biggest thing that helps them is their sports endowment. It helps them navigate the ups and downs in sports finance.
(02-12-2017 02:25 AM)DawgNBama Wrote: Now, another thing: If you tell somebody that they'll never do something (not something bad, but what we might consider improbable or even perhaps impossible for that person), they will do it anyway just to prove to you that they can. If someone told the president of the University of Miami that they'll never be a "Stanford" of the East, I would expect to see Miami surging very quickly to enter Stanford's ranks. So Green, take those message board comments, and show them to the president and the athletic director. I'm curious to see as to how they will react. Miami has a lot to be proud of, and has come a very long way from its gangsta-like past (I wish the Raiders could do that too!!!). I can see Duke and UVa vying for Stanford-like status as well.
When you have a private school institution, a private school education, people pay a lot of money to get a lot of value. When you’re at a private school, just like if you go to a private school in high school, you tend to have certain things you might not get at a public university or public high school. One of the things, I think, that people pay for and the value of education is the number of students in the class. If you average 18 to 24 students in a class, that’s a great ratio. It’s just like our strength program - if you lift 60 guys a time with five coaches, that’s about 11 guys per coach. But if you lift 20 guys with five coaches, that’s four guys per coach…that’s a great ratio. The same thing is true educationally. If you have a small classroom setting, you have a chance to actually get to know your professor. You might ask your professor for help and not just rely on a tutor in a certain class. Of course, the beauty of the campus and the fact that we’re in south Florida, I call it ‘paradise.’ It’s a beautiful place. Beautiful weather. That’s why everyone wants to live down here.
-- Coach Mark Richt
I seriously doubt stanford's arts, life, marine science is demonstrably better ...
hell, our med school is so well-regarded ...
we poach distinguished faculty wherever whenever ...
in fact ...
the U's new president, Julio Frenk, was formerly harvard's dean of health & mexico's secretary of health ...
and when it comes to churning out pigskin pros ...
no brainiacademia can hold a candle to NFLU ...
specialty matters most ...
POISON IVY
(This post was last modified: 02-14-2017 07:47 AM by green.)
(02-07-2017 11:08 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: No one in the ACC has the ability to become Stanford. As mentioned elsewhere, there are too many elite academic institutions in the East.
Stanford is the Harvard of the West, and there is not a Princeton or Yale. It stands alone. Stanford's athletic endowment (2X that of Notre Dame) and facilities are unparalleled. They essentially have unlimited money to throw at every sport and a tradition of churning out Olympians in everything they sponsor. There is actually no comparable athletic department anywhere east of the Mississippi. Perhaps only Michigan or Texas comes close, but I'd say those two combined still can't match Stanford in its production of Olympians and NCAA champions.
As an aside, I have to say as an alumnus, that Miami claiming that it is a good school for the outdoors lovers is hilarious. Colorado; now there is a great school for the outdoors. Many of the UCs are great. Absolutely not Miami. Water sports? Yes, Miami is great for that, but the "Outdoors"? Hiking? I can't imagine anyone actually into the outdoors ever thinking that. Heck, Pitt is better off for "hiking" and jogging trails with Schenley Park adjacent to campus.
For every "A", there is a "B". For every "1", there is a "2". Stanford may very well be the "Harvard" of the West, but to say that there isn't a "Yale" or a "Princeton" of the West is laughable. Although it is a public instution, Cal-Berkeley has to qualify as the "Yale" of the West in my opinion. Research=check. Admissions standards=check. National notoriety=check.
If you slap a Cal-Berkeley scholarship in front a kid trying to decide between UC-Berkeley and Florida State, or 'Bama, or just about anybody else except Stanford or the old Ancient 8 (aka the Ivy League), that kid is going to take to the Cal-Berkeley scholarship regardless if they live in the state of California or not.
Now, another thing: If you tell somebody that they'll never do something (not something bad, but what we might consider improbable or even perhaps impossible for that person), they will do it anyway just to prove to you that they can. If someone told the president of the University of Miami that they'll never be a "Stanford" of the East, I would expect to see Miami surging very quickly to enter Stanford's ranks. So Green, take those message board comments, and show them to the president and the athletic director. I'm curious to see as to how they will react. Miami has a lot to be proud of, and has come a very long way from its gangsta-like past (I wish the Raiders could do that too!!!). I can see Duke and UVa vying for Stanford-like status as well.
You should try living in the Bay area and see if any chooses Cal over Stanford given equivalent costs and acceptance. Cal is the best public in the nation, but people don't generally pick UVA or Michigan over Harvard, Princeton, or Yale either given equivalent acceptance and costs. There is an MIT of the West, but there is no Princeton, Yale, Columbia, Penn, Brown, or Dartmouth.
Didn't say that anyone in the Bay Area (or anywhere else for that matter) would choose Cal over Stanford. I did say that a lot of people WOULD choose Cal over say FSU, 'Bama, LSU, even UGa, etc.
(02-12-2017 02:25 AM)DawgNBama Wrote: Now, another thing: If you tell somebody that they'll never do something (not something bad, but what we might consider improbable or even perhaps impossible for that person), they will do it anyway just to prove to you that they can. If someone told the president of the University of Miami that they'll never be a "Stanford" of the East, I would expect to see Miami surging very quickly to enter Stanford's ranks. So Green, take those message board comments, and show them to the president and the athletic director. I'm curious to see as to how they will react. Miami has a lot to be proud of, and has come a very long way from its gangsta-like past (I wish the Raiders could do that too!!!). I can see Duke and UVa vying for Stanford-like status as well.
When you have a private school institution, a private school education, people pay a lot of money to get a lot of value. When you’re at a private school, just like if you go to a private school in high school, you tend to have certain things you might not get at a public university or public high school. One of the things, I think, that people pay for and the value of education is the number of students in the class. If you average 18 to 24 students in a class, that’s a great ratio. It’s just like our strength program - if you lift 60 guys a time with five coaches, that’s about 11 guys per coach. But if you lift 20 guys with five coaches, that’s four guys per coach…that’s a great ratio. The same thing is true educationally. If you have a small classroom setting, you have a chance to actually get to know your professor. You might ask your professor for help and not just rely on a tutor in a certain class. Of course, the beauty of the campus and the fact that we’re in south Florida, I call it ‘paradise.’ It’s a beautiful place. Beautiful weather. That’s why everyone wants to live down here.
-- Coach Mark Richt
I seriously doubt stanford's arts, life, marine science is demonstrably better ...
hell, our med school is so well-regarded ...
we poach distinguished faculty wherever whenever ...
in fact ...
the U's new president, Julio Frenk, was formerly harvard's dean of health & mexico's secretary of health ...
and when it comes to churning out pigskin pros ...
no brainiacademia can hold a candle to NFLU ...
specialty matters most ...
POISON IVY
Miami has better marine science. Probably it's best, most well regarded program.
Wake up call: Miller isn't "so well-regarded" (not poorly regarded either, just mediocre but little rep outside Florida) and it absolutely doesn't poach from wherever it wants. It is probably considered around or behind UF's med school. I think most rankings, including NIH funding, have it around 50. Mismanaged would have been a better descriptor. Hopefully Frenk will get it straightened out because it's reputation (and quantitative numbers) have been fairly static for 20 years compared to peers and that shouldn't be the case.
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(02-12-2017 02:25 AM)DawgNBama Wrote: Now, another thing: If you tell somebody that they'll never do something (not something bad, but what we might consider improbable or even perhaps impossible for that person), they will do it anyway just to prove to you that they can. If someone told the president of the University of Miami that they'll never be a "Stanford" of the East, I would expect to see Miami surging very quickly to enter Stanford's ranks. So Green, take those message board comments, and show them to the president and the athletic director. I'm curious to see as to how they will react. Miami has a lot to be proud of, and has come a very long way from its gangsta-like past (I wish the Raiders could do that too!!!). I can see Duke and UVa vying for Stanford-like status as well.
When you have a private school institution, a private school education, people pay a lot of money to get a lot of value. When you’re at a private school, just like if you go to a private school in high school, you tend to have certain things you might not get at a public university or public high school. One of the things, I think, that people pay for and the value of education is the number of students in the class. If you average 18 to 24 students in a class, that’s a great ratio. It’s just like our strength program - if you lift 60 guys a time with five coaches, that’s about 11 guys per coach. But if you lift 20 guys with five coaches, that’s four guys per coach…that’s a great ratio. The same thing is true educationally. If you have a small classroom setting, you have a chance to actually get to know your professor. You might ask your professor for help and not just rely on a tutor in a certain class. Of course, the beauty of the campus and the fact that we’re in south Florida, I call it ‘paradise.’ It’s a beautiful place. Beautiful weather. That’s why everyone wants to live down here.
-- Coach Mark Richt
I seriously doubt stanford's arts, life, marine science is demonstrably better ...
hell, our med school is so well-regarded ...
we poach distinguished faculty wherever whenever ...
in fact ...
the U's new president, Julio Frenk, was formerly harvard's dean of health & mexico's secretary of health ...
and when it comes to churning out pigskin pros ...
no brainiacademia can hold a candle to NFLU ...
specialty matters most ...
POISON IVY
Miami has better marine science. Probably it's best, most well regarded program.
Wake up call: Miller isn't "so well-regarded" (not poorly regarded either, just mediocre but little rep outside Florida) and it absolutely doesn't poach from wherever it wants. It is probably considered around or behind UF's med school. I think most rankings, including NIH funding, have it around 50. Mismanaged would have been a better descriptor. Hopefully Frenk will get it straightened out because it's reputation (and quantitative numbers) have been fairly static for 20 years compared to peers and that shouldn't be the case.
US News has Miami at 44 behind UF who is 40. Not to mention it is behind a good chunk of ACC schools that offer a med school.
(02-15-2017 07:55 AM)Ewglenn Wrote: US News has Miami at 44 behind UF who is 40. Not to mention it is behind a good chunk of ACC schools that offer a med school.
I just checked NIH funding ranks and Miller is 60th. It actually lost ground in ordinal rank of NIH funding (both for total $ and number of grants) between 1996 and 2016.
(02-15-2017 07:55 AM)Ewglenn Wrote: US News has Miami at 44 behind UF who is 40. Not to mention it is behind a good chunk of ACC schools that offer a med school.
I just checked NIH funding ranks and Miller is 60th. It actually lost ground in ordinal rank of NIH funding (both for total $ and number of grants) between 1996 and 2016.
According to data compiled by the Blue Ridge Institute for Medical Research, the Miller School rose from No. 41 to No. 39 of 139 schools ranked, with its grant total increasing by slightly more than $13.8 million, or 14 percent, to $111.2 million. That figure is $17.6 million higher than the next Florida medical school on the list, and retains the Miller School’s status as the highest-ranked medical school in the state.
-- med.miami.edu
(02-15-2017 07:15 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote: Miami has better marine science. Probably it's best, most well regarded program.
Wake up call: Miller isn't "so well-regarded" (not poorly regarded either, just mediocre but little rep outside Florida)
Bascom Palmer Eye Institute of the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine has again been ranked as the nation’s Best in Ophthalmology by U.S. News & World Report in its Best Hospitals 2017 Edition. It is the 15th time that Bascom Palmer Eye Institute-Anne Bates Leach Eye Hospital has been named No. 1 since the publication began surveying U.S. physicians for its annual rankings 27 years ago.
-- med.miami.edu
Nine players with ties to Miami — eight who played last season — received invitations to the NFL combine, according to a roster the league released Wednesday.
Miami tied national champion Clemson (also nine) for the greatest number of combine participants in the ACC. Nationally, only Michigan (14), Alabama and LSU (10 each) had more.
-- caneswatch.blog.palmbeachpost.com
OTHER PART OF THE EQUATION
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(02-15-2017 12:33 PM)green Wrote: Nine players with ties to Miami — eight who played last season — received invitations to the NFL combine, according to a roster the league released Wednesday.
Miami tied national champion Clemson (also nine) for the greatest number of combine participants in the ACC. Nationally, only Michigan (14), Alabama and LSU (10 each) had more.
-- caneswatch.blog.palmbeachpost.com
OTHER PART OF THE EQUATION
2004 Larry Coker 9-3
2005 Larry Coker 9-3
2006 Larry Coker 7-6
2007 Randy Shannon 5-7
2008 Randy Shannon 7-6
2009 Randy Shannon 9-4
2010 Randy Shannon/Jeff Stoutland 7-6
2011 Al Golden 6-6
2012 Al Golden 7-5
2013 Al Golden 9-4
2014 Al Golden 6-7
2015 Al Golden/Larry Scott 8-5
2016 Mark Richt 9-4
(02-15-2017 12:33 PM)green Wrote: Nine players with ties to Miami — eight who played last season — received invitations to the NFL combine, according to a roster the league released Wednesday.
Miami tied national champion Clemson (also nine) for the greatest number of combine participants in the ACC. Nationally, only Michigan (14), Alabama and LSU (10 each) had more.
-- caneswatch.blog.palmbeachpost.com
OTHER PART OF THE EQUATION
2004 Larry Coker 9-3
2005 Larry Coker 9-3
2006 Larry Coker 7-6
2007 Randy Shannon 5-7
2008 Randy Shannon 7-6
2009 Randy Shannon 9-4
2010 Randy Shannon/Jeff Stoutland 7-6
2011 Al Golden 6-6
2012 Al Golden 7-5
2013 Al Golden 9-4
2014 Al Golden 6-7
2015 Al Golden/Larry Scott 8-5
2016 Mark Richt 9-4
UM says it has raised over $31 million for an indoor practice facility but needs to get to $34 million to begin construction.
-- Miami Herald
certainly not by resting on one's laurels ...
when U hire on the cheap ...
neglect upkeep with the joneses ...
take winning for granted ... because we're mighty Miami; it's our birthright damn it ...
eventually, something's got to give ...
LESSON LEARNED
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(02-15-2017 07:55 AM)Ewglenn Wrote: US News has Miami at 44 behind UF who is 40. Not to mention it is behind a good chunk of ACC schools that offer a med school.
I just checked NIH funding ranks and Miller is 60th. It actually lost ground in ordinal rank of NIH funding (both for total $ and number of grants) between 1996 and 2016.
According to data compiled by the Blue Ridge Institute for Medical Research, the Miller School rose from No. 41 to No. 39 of 139 schools ranked, with its grant total increasing by slightly more than $13.8 million, or 14 percent, to $111.2 million. That figure is $17.6 million higher than the next Florida medical school on the list, and retains the Miller School’s status as the highest-ranked medical school in the state.
-- med.miami.edu
UF has more NIH funding $148.1 vs $111.7 ($120 Miami schools combined) for FY2016 which is the most recent complete year. You can change the year back to 1996 and see that Miami has slipped compared to other medical research institutes when looking at the ordinal rank of funding or # of grants. And don't try to cite its increased funding $ numbers, because those numbers are up for everyone because total NIH funding $ are up from 20 years ago. Miami's NIH funding rank has dropped, slightly, during that time and the take home message from that is the school has essentially been treading water for 20 years as far as research strength, and that is where its primary reputation is earned. It's been mismanaged. Being one of the most established urban medical research centers in the state and being connected to one of the largest and most active public hospitals in the nation, and having Bascom Palmer, the Miami Project, and the Miami Diabetes Institute in its research portfolio, it should have actually made progress over the last 20 years...a lot of progress.
You need to get your head out of brochures and press release back patting. Blindly polishing knobs doesn't help anything. You have to know both your strengths AND weaknesses. Says this someone who spent 6 years at Miller.
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(02-15-2017 07:15 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote: Miami has better marine science. Probably it's best, most well regarded program.
Wake up call: Miller isn't "so well-regarded" (not poorly regarded either, just mediocre but little rep outside Florida)
Bascom Palmer Eye Institute of the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine has again been ranked as the nation’s Best in Ophthalmology by U.S. News & World Report in its Best Hospitals 2017 Edition. It is the 15th time that Bascom Palmer Eye Institute-Anne Bates Leach Eye Hospital has been named No. 1 since the publication began surveying U.S. physicians for its annual rankings 27 years ago.
-- med.miami.edu
me thinks thou hath an axe to grind ...
WHAT'S YOUR STORY
Your problem is that you take anecdotal promotional materials and read them like raw data and then apply them completely out of context. You apparently don't realize opthalmology is the only one of the 16 adult clinical specialties in US News' hospital rankings that Miami is ranked in. Jackson, where a lot of UM faculty practice clinically, isn't ranked in any either. Neither hospital is ranked in the top 28 of Florida hospitals (the ranking for Florida only goes up to 28). In fact, UM's hospital and Jackson aren't in the top 5 of Miami-Dade...which is flat out pathetic considering UM's medical center is the only academic medical research center in the county. Goldschmidt was terrible. Buying Cedars was a huge mistake completely counter to existing trends in academic medicine. The good news is, there is new management in charge.
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