(02-05-2017 05:45 PM)ddramone Wrote:  I think Tubby gets 4 years (or 3 more years) to get us to a Sweet 16. At that point, it will have be 11 years since we have been to a Sweet 16. And that could pretty much kill the program.

Kill the program? The dead have been known to rise again in college basketball.

(02-05-2017 06:48 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 05:45 PM)ddramone Wrote:  I think Tubby gets 4 years (or 3 more years) to get us to a Sweet 16. At that point, it will have be 11 years since we have been to a Sweet 16. And that could pretty much kill the program.

Kill the program? The dead have been known to rise again in college basketball.

A 2-3 year run of good recruiting classes changes everything

(02-04-2017 10:39 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-04-2017 10:07 PM)memp600 Wrote:  Well, I'll say this, I can't remember a time where there was less interest in the program than there is right now. The late 90's were really low before Cal came in. I can remember people taking naps in the upper decks of the Pyramid during that time. Maybe some of the older posters can chime in but that's as far back as I go personally.

Gotta think last year was less, right? I mean I think that was the bottom and we're working our way out now.

I go back to early 80's. There was never a lull at the MSC that I saw. Then we moved to the GAP. It started out well enough, but you're right about the last 90's. Times were as bad then. Many had quit going.

I'm glad you brought up the MSC. Everytime my parents or relatives talk about games in the Coliseum, they always talk about two things: 1) it was always packed and 2) it was always rocking. They always talk about how loud it was in there. Loudest Tigers game I've been to was the 1 vs 2 matchup against UT in '08.

(02-05-2017 07:07 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 06:48 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 05:45 PM)ddramone Wrote:  I think Tubby gets 4 years (or 3 more years) to get us to a Sweet 16. At that point, it will have be 11 years since we have been to a Sweet 16. And that could pretty much kill the program.

Kill the program? The dead have been known to rise again in college basketball.

A 2-3 year run of good recruiting classes changes everything

And this will be the big ?? mark for this staff.. This is why I questioned the hire!! This staff has never recruited well!! I hope he does well because I like Tubby.. Of course anyone would have been better than Pastner..

(02-05-2017 08:29 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 07:07 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 06:48 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 05:45 PM)ddramone Wrote:  I think Tubby gets 4 years (or 3 more years) to get us to a Sweet 16. At that point, it will have be 11 years since we have been to a Sweet 16. And that could pretty much kill the program.

Kill the program? The dead have been known to rise again in college basketball.

A 2-3 year run of good recruiting classes changes everything

And this will be the big ?? mark for this staff.. This is why I questioned the hire!! This staff has never recruited well!! I hope he does well because I like Tubby.. Of course anyone would have been better than Pastner..

I couldn't care less how he recruited outside of Memphis. Hell get a couple of 3 stars from out of town. But he better be able to snag all the top kids from the city. He's got enough talent coming up in the next 2-4 years to have a successful run into his mid 60s.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results

(02-05-2017 08:57 PM)stratecashomie Wrote:  I couldn't care less how he recruited outside of Memphis. Hell get a couple of 3 stars from out of town. But he better be able to snag all the top kids from the city. He's got enough talent coming up in the next 2-4 years to have a successful run into his mid 60s.

I think he's 65 now. I know recruiting high schoolers is always going to be uncertain because that age group is always doing things that don't seem logical, but if we weren't worried about local kids not wanting to play for Pastner, why would we be worried about them not wanting to play for Tubby -- outside of the fact that our team has been lousy for years? He's obviously the better coach. I know Pastner is known more for recruiting than Tubby, but if the kids are local and want to stay that way if possible, how could we be in worse shape now than we would have been otherwise in regard to where they choose to play?

My take on Tubby and his recruiting is this...first I don't think he took this job to ride out his career and kick his feet up. He could have done that where he was at TT. The AD there loved Tubby and told him to wait and not take the job here and come talk to him, where the AD was going to give him want he wanted. If Tubby wanted to ease into retirement he could have done that where he was. I think Tubby wants to make another run or two before he hangs it up. That being said, I believe he wants to recruit well. I think he's going to get the Memphis kids. Now if Tubby can't recruit well enough to win on a high level then he needs to go. For those who think Tubby can't recruit well enough, I say why even watch, just move on and find something else to do. For those who aren't sure if Tubby can recruit well, why not give him the chance to succeed or fail, then judge him, but I think he deserves the opportunity to prove it one way or another. Give him a chance first, then lower the boom on his azz when he doesn't deliver. Let it play out first.

(02-05-2017 10:01 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  My take on Tubby and his recruiting is this...first I don't think he took this job to ride out his career and kick his feet up. He could have done that where he was at TT. The AD there loved Tubby and told him to wait and not take the job here and come talk to him, where the AD was going to give him want he wanted. If Tubby wanted to ease into retirement he could have done that where he was. I think Tubby wants to make another run or two before he hangs it up. That being said, I believe he wants to recruit well. I think he's going to get the Memphis kids. Now if Tubby can't recruit well enough to win on a high level then he needs to go. For those who think Tubby can't recruit well enough, I say why even watch, just move on and find something else to do. For those who aren't sure if Tubby can recruit well, why not give him the chance to succeed or fail, then judge him, but I think he deserves the opportunity to prove it one way or another. Give him a chance first, then lower the boom on his azz when he doesn't deliver. Let it play out first.

He'll get time unless he does something to void his buyout.

(02-05-2017 11:18 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 10:35 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 10:01 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  My take on Tubby and his recruiting is this...first I don't think he took this job to ride out his career and kick his feet up. He could have done that where he was at TT. The AD there loved Tubby and told him to wait and not take the job here and come talk to him, where the AD was going to give him want he wanted. If Tubby wanted to ease into retirement he could have done that where he was. I think Tubby wants to make another run or two before he hangs it up. That being said, I believe he wants to recruit well. I think he's going to get the Memphis kids. Now if Tubby can't recruit well enough to win on a high level then he needs to go. For those who think Tubby can't recruit well enough, I say why even watch, just move on and find something else to do. For those who aren't sure if Tubby can recruit well, why not give him the chance to succeed or fail, then judge him, but I think he deserves the opportunity to prove it one way or another. Give him a chance first, then lower the boom on his azz when he doesn't deliver. Let it play out first.

He'll get time unless he does something to void his buyout.

Has anyone been to Lubbock, TX? Not many coaches will want to spend their golden years there. That is a common misconception: that Tubby could have had a comparable or better situation at TTU. In NO way do they even come close in tradition, facilities, fan support, recruiting base, quality of living, etc and all the other things coaches evaluate when looking at a job. Not even close.

I thought I was on ignore?????? What a joke.

Nowhere in my post did I say that Texas Tech was comparable to Memphis. Since I'm not really on IGNORE, go back and read the damn post again. My post is reasonable and is fair. I myself said that I want results beginning next season and definitely in year three. And if the results aren't there DA I will be voicing my opinion loud and clear.

Worst poster on board

(02-05-2017 11:26 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 11:18 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 10:35 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 10:01 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  My take on Tubby and his recruiting is this...first I don't think he took this job to ride out his career and kick his feet up. He could have done that where he was at TT. The AD there loved Tubby and told him to wait and not take the job here and come talk to him, where the AD was going to give him want he wanted. If Tubby wanted to ease into retirement he could have done that where he was. I think Tubby wants to make another run or two before he hangs it up. That being said, I believe he wants to recruit well. I think he's going to get the Memphis kids. Now if Tubby can't recruit well enough to win on a high level then he needs to go. For those who think Tubby can't recruit well enough, I say why even watch, just move on and find something else to do. For those who aren't sure if Tubby can recruit well, why not give him the chance to succeed or fail, then judge him, but I think he deserves the opportunity to prove it one way or another. Give him a chance first, then lower the boom on his azz when he doesn't deliver. Let it play out first.

He'll get time unless he does something to void his buyout.

Has anyone been to Lubbock, TX? Not many coaches will want to spend their golden years there. That is a common misconception: that Tubby could have had a comparable or better situation at TTU. In NO way do they even come close in tradition, facilities, fan support, recruiting base, quality of living, etc and all the other things coaches evaluate when looking at a job. Not even close.

I thought I was on ignore?????? What a joke.

Nowhere in my post did I say that Texas Tech was comparable to Memphis. Since I'm not really on IGNORE, go back and read the damn post again. My post is reasonable and is fair. I myself said that I want results beginning next season and definitely in year three. And if the results aren't there DA I will be voicing my opinion loud and clear.

Worst poster on board

TT, he prob saw your post quoted in my post even if he's got you on ignore. I don't know what you folks are arguing about. Tubby's not going anywhere anytime soon because we will not pay his buyout. At this point, it's huge. We'll get to see if he can recruit 4 and 5 star players. We'll also get a chance to see how he develops the lower ranked guys. I suspect we all want him to do well.

Moe Iba and Wayne Yates eras were the worst of times.

(02-06-2017 12:11 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 11:50 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 11:26 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 11:18 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 10:35 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  He'll get time unless he does something to void his buyout.

Has anyone been to Lubbock, TX? Not many coaches will want to spend their golden years there. That is a common misconception: that Tubby could have had a comparable or better situation at TTU. In NO way do they even come close in tradition, facilities, fan support, recruiting base, quality of living, etc and all the other things coaches evaluate when looking at a job. Not even close.

I thought I was on ignore?????? What a joke.

Nowhere in my post did I say that Texas Tech was comparable to Memphis. Since I'm not really on IGNORE, go back and read the damn post again. My post is reasonable and is fair. I myself said that I want results beginning next season and definitely in year three. And if the results aren't there DA I will be voicing my opinion loud and clear.

Worst poster on board

TT, he prob saw your post quoted in my post even if he's got you on ignore. I don't know what you folks are arguing about. Tubby's not going anywhere anytime soon because we will not pay his buyout. At this point, it's huge. We'll get to see if he can recruit 4 and 5 star players. We'll also get a chance to see how he develops the lower ranked guys. I suspect we all want him to do well.

Exactly, we went from one huge buyout to another. I understand how difficult it is to hire a good coach but to fork over that kind of guarantee to a coach with the following pre hire resume (at his age) just didn't make sense to me after we has just partially lucked our way out of the Pastner fiasco:

Tubby Smith, last 11 seasons as a head coach
214-156 (.578) overall record [19-14 average record]
82-112 (.423) regular season conference record
10-11 conference tournament record
NCAA appearances: 6 (3-6 record)
NIT appearances: 2 (4-2 record)
Points per game average: 68.9

I would love to see Tubby make an idiot out of me for questioning his hire. The success of the BB team makes my year in March. I watch part of virtually every game of the tourney and it's always a downer without the Tigers in it. Just hoping we strike gold and win the AAC Tourney. I wouldn't care what our regular season record was.

Does anyone else see that not only was it not a safe pick, but a fairly risky one? And TT, your posts are not worth opening. It's been like a breath of fresh air on the forum with you on ignore.

Your the worst poster on the board. You called me a pansy and yet you went and told the teachers and principal (moderators) on me, just like in third grade. Only little tattle tale babies do that sissy rat crap. You like to dish it out but when people stand up to you, you get weak. I haven't once went to inform on you.

(02-05-2017 10:01 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  My take on Tubby and his recruiting is this...first I don't think he took this job to ride out his career and kick his feet up. He could have done that where he was at TT. The AD there loved Tubby and told him to wait and not take the job here and come talk to him, where the AD was going to give him want he wanted. If Tubby wanted to ease into retirement he could have done that where he was. I think Tubby wants to make another run or two before he hangs it up. That being said, I believe he wants to recruit well. I think he's going to get the Memphis kids. Now if Tubby can't recruit well enough to win on a high level then he needs to go. For those who think Tubby can't recruit well enough, I say why even watch, just move on and find something else to do. For those who aren't sure if Tubby can recruit well, why not give him the chance to succeed or fail, then judge him, but I think he deserves the opportunity to prove it one way or another. Give him a chance first, then lower the boom on his azz when he doesn't deliver. Let it play out first.

That's my take, as well. Ugly losses always lead to questioning and second-guessing, but with the exception of a few games, I'd say this season has been better than many expected.

Let it play out.

(02-06-2017 09:00 AM)Hoots Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 10:01 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  My take on Tubby and his recruiting is this...first I don't think he took this job to ride out his career and kick his feet up. He could have done that where he was at TT. The AD there loved Tubby and told him to wait and not take the job here and come talk to him, where the AD was going to give him want he wanted. If Tubby wanted to ease into retirement he could have done that where he was. I think Tubby wants to make another run or two before he hangs it up. That being said, I believe he wants to recruit well. I think he's going to get the Memphis kids. Now if Tubby can't recruit well enough to win on a high level then he needs to go. For those who think Tubby can't recruit well enough, I say why even watch, just move on and find something else to do. For those who aren't sure if Tubby can recruit well, why not give him the chance to succeed or fail, then judge him, but I think he deserves the opportunity to prove it one way or another. Give him a chance first, then lower the boom on his azz when he doesn't deliver. Let it play out first.

That's my take, as well. Ugly losses always lead to questioning and second-guessing, but with the exception of a few games, I'd say this season has been better than many expected.

Let it play out.

Just ask the Big 12 about ugly looses.

(02-05-2017 11:56 AM)ddramone Wrote:  I think here is the problem, college BB is dying a slow death.

http://time.com/3744860/march-madness-se...asketball/

1. Regular season BB games have very little impact and fans know it. With the expanded field of 64, pre-season and conference tournaments, the regular season just is kind of there;

2. One-and-dones. Really hurt the game. If someone is any good, they'll be gone within 2 years, max.

3. College BB doesn't become interesting until AFTER the Super Bowl and during March Madness.

Oregon built a brand new, on-campus arena and it is around 60% full - even with free student tickets.

DePaul plays in front of around 2,300 fans.

With TV it's a double-edged sword. Yes, there is TV revenue, but since there are so many games on and many of them are on weeknights, attendance suffers and when fans see a half-full arena, even more apathy sets in.

I really believe Bowen saw/sees the handwriting on the wall. There are a very, very few select programs that relied on BB as a cash cow for FB. UC to a degree, UL to a degree, Duke, UK, Carolina, Indiana (only because their FB is awful), Kansas and that's about it.

Pac-12 bb attendance is way down compared to the glory days, Big 12 basketball - outside of Kansas - is down as Oklahoma and OSU have seen a big reduction in attendance due to the Thunder (they were GIVING away tickets to the OSU-Kansas game a few years back), look at the SEC, outside of UK, BB is a distant thought compared to FB, only in the ACC where there is Duke-Carolina is BB still the marquee sport....but even then Maryland left for the Big 10.

I think Bowen saw Tubby as a solid, safe hire and that way, he can continue his focus on football.

Trying to use college BB as a cash cow in a G5 conference seems to be a risky proposition and a risk that Bowen doesn't want to take.

This, college basketball is just no longer compelling outside of its hard core fans. I cannot name one player on any of the top teams. In fact I could not give you the current top 5 wo looking it up. Its not Monday cooler talk anymore. Lower seeds knocking off higher seeds in the NCAA tourny is about the only story the average fan is aware of. If you don't believe me today at work when everyone is talking about the Superbowl try to slide in anything about college basketball and watch the blank stares.

(02-06-2017 12:32 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 11:56 AM)ddramone Wrote:  I think here is the problem, college BB is dying a slow death.

http://time.com/3744860/march-madness-se...asketball/

1. Regular season BB games have very little impact and fans know it. With the expanded field of 64, pre-season and conference tournaments, the regular season just is kind of there;

2. One-and-dones. Really hurt the game. If someone is any good, they'll be gone within 2 years, max.

3. College BB doesn't become interesting until AFTER the Super Bowl and during March Madness.

Oregon built a brand new, on-campus arena and it is around 60% full - even with free student tickets.

DePaul plays in front of around 2,300 fans.

With TV it's a double-edged sword. Yes, there is TV revenue, but since there are so many games on and many of them are on weeknights, attendance suffers and when fans see a half-full arena, even more apathy sets in.

I really believe Bowen saw/sees the handwriting on the wall. There are a very, very few select programs that relied on BB as a cash cow for FB. UC to a degree, UL to a degree, Duke, UK, Carolina, Indiana (only because their FB is awful), Kansas and that's about it.

Pac-12 bb attendance is way down compared to the glory days, Big 12 basketball - outside of Kansas - is down as Oklahoma and OSU have seen a big reduction in attendance due to the Thunder (they were GIVING away tickets to the OSU-Kansas game a few years back), look at the SEC, outside of UK, BB is a distant thought compared to FB, only in the ACC where there is Duke-Carolina is BB still the marquee sport....but even then Maryland left for the Big 10.

I think Bowen saw Tubby as a solid, safe hire and that way, he can continue his focus on football.

Trying to use college BB as a cash cow in a G5 conference seems to be a risky proposition and a risk that Bowen doesn't want to take.

This, college basketball is just no longer compelling outside of its hard core fans. I cannot name one player on any of the top teams. In fact I could not give you the current top 5 wo looking it up. Its not Monday cooler talk anymore. Lower seeds knocking off higher seeds in the NCAA tourny is about the only story the average fan is aware of. If you don't believe me today at work when everyone is talking about the Superbowl try to slide in anything about college basketball and watch the blank stares.

This is the best post on this forum explaining CBB's problems. The star is your coach now; and if he is not a smooth talker/camera ready or a Huggie Bear, the main networks are not real interested. Exceptions are made for Brand schools such as KY, KS, Duke, etc.

We were able to live in the sunshine side on CBB with Cal and then the Memphis Brand he built for a few years. Now we are pretty much relegated to other ESPN networks and the horrendous CBSSports network which is ran on a shoestring. We are now on the cloudy side of CBB and becoming irrelevant within a sport that is losing its mojo itself.

(02-05-2017 07:07 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 06:48 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 05:45 PM)ddramone Wrote:  I think Tubby gets 4 years (or 3 more years) to get us to a Sweet 16. At that point, it will have be 11 years since we have been to a Sweet 16. And that could pretty much kill the program.

Kill the program? The dead have been known to rise again in college basketball.

A 2-3 year run of good recruiting classes changes everything

Face it KE our fan base is spoiled rotten ...........

Yep

(02-06-2017 01:55 PM)Cletus Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 07:07 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 06:48 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 05:45 PM)ddramone Wrote:  I think Tubby gets 4 years (or 3 more years) to get us to a Sweet 16. At that point, it will have be 11 years since we have been to a Sweet 16. And that could pretty much kill the program.

Kill the program? The dead have been known to rise again in college basketball.

A 2-3 year run of good recruiting classes changes everything

Cletus,hook a brother up?That girl is fine and it's hard for me to get dates with my eye issue.