(02-04-2017 05:49 PM)Rufus T. Firefly Wrote:  Watching the game I just realize how far it seems we have fallen.We are in a weak conference and I can't help but feel that our record is indicative of that weakness.I'm not bashing Tubby by any means.I have no inner knowledge of the program but for those that do,do you guys feel there is a sincere effort by the administration to provide a return to our prominence in the late 2000s?

The Tigers were last ranked (in men's basketball) March 10, 2014

Five longest AP Poll droughts in past 45 years:

1) 5 years, 6 months (April 1996-October 2001)

2) 5 years, 1 week (January 1977-February 1982)

3) 2 years, 11 months (March 2014-present)

4) 2 years, 10 months (Dec 1992-October 1995)

5) 2 years, 9 months (January 1990-October 1992)

College basketball on a whole is relegated to the 8 weeks from now until the title game on the national stage.

Time to move out of the FEDEX Forum. Build a 12,000 seat OC arena, schedule Sat & Tuesday nights regularly, fill it up, make it a tough, loud place to play, tough environment for visiting schools & a very scarce ticket for 1/2 the home games at least - & schedule strong OOC. That would help bring back the core fan base, add lots of students, make Tiger BB a unique experience having its own followers. And it would enable the team to practice on the court where their games are played routinely - and that would add 5-10 pts to our home court advantage (think FG & FT % improvement).

would the FEF non compete apply to an on campus arena?

Less of a possibility than an OCS stadium.

Those shooting numbers are bogus and pulled from the air.

(02-06-2017 10:40 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Less of a possibility than an OCS stadium.

Those shooting numbers are bogus and pulled from the air.

How would you know? Simple as checking shooting pct home & away for several schools that have strong OC home court advantages. Easy to make a case for 5-10+ advantage. Even Vegas gives this type advantage for those teams with strong home court......and that comes from playing & practicing on that court and a full house, rowdy crowd.

(02-06-2017 09:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Time to move out of the FEDEX Forum. Build a 12,000 seat OC arena, schedule Sat & Tuesday nights regularly, fill it up, make it a tough, loud place to play, tough environment for visiting schools & a very scarce ticket for 1/2 the home games at least - & schedule strong OOC. That would help bring back the core fan base, add lots of students, make Tiger BB a unique experience having its own followers. And it would enable the team to practice on the court where their games are played routinely - and that would add 5-10 pts to our home court advantage (think FG & FT % improvement).

Moving out of the Forum is not a good idea. Want to kill the relevance of the program even more? Sure, let's move it out of the NBA arena.

(02-06-2017 09:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Time to move out of the FEDEX Forum. Build a 12,000 seat OC arena, schedule Sat & Tuesday nights regularly, fill it up, make it a tough, loud place to play, tough environment for visiting schools & a very scarce ticket for 1/2 the home games at least - & schedule strong OOC. That would help bring back the core fan base, add lots of students, make Tiger BB a unique experience having its own followers. And it would enable the team to practice on the court where their games are played routinely - and that would add 5-10 pts to our home court advantage (think FG & FT % improvement).

Not going to happen. Our season tix base is dwindling every year, college BB's relevance is dwindling every year and we play in a very nice arena with excellent parking facilities. And we have a non-compete agreement/lease agreement with the Grizz. And, total student enrollment has been plateaued at around 20k.

I think if we get the right amount of success, there's no reason we can't get back to the Cal years in terms of attendance.

I also agree with an OCS at 12k to get it packed and ticket demand greater than supply.

I just don't think it's possible.

(02-04-2017 10:07 PM)memp600 Wrote:  Well, I'll say this, I can't remember a time where there was less interest in the program than there is right now. The late 90's were really low before Cal came in. I can remember people taking naps in the upper decks of the Pyramid during that time. Maybe some of the older posters can chime in but that's as far back as I go personally.

Tubby was a safe, name hire.

But he does nothing to generate excitement. I go back to the Coliseum days of McDowell and Isbell and this is the least interested I've ever been or the least interest I've ever seen at games.

Has football become so exciting that basketball has now taken a back seat, is it the Grizzlies? Or is it just that we are so bad right now?

Used to get 10,000 at Coliseum no matter what.

How many "exciting" coaches have we ever had? Cal and Kirk were. Finch, Tic, Bartow were not.

Bartow, and Finch for a while, had excitement because we won. Give Tubby time to win. He hasn't been here a year yet. If he wins, the excitement takes care of itself. We don't have to have a showman.

(02-05-2017 06:48 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 05:45 PM)ddramone Wrote:  I think Tubby gets 4 years (or 3 more years) to get us to a Sweet 16. At that point, it will have be 11 years since we have been to a Sweet 16. And that could pretty much kill the program.

Kill the program? The dead have been known to rise again in college basketball.

Yeah, that's a bit of an exaggeration.

(02-05-2017 07:13 PM)memp600 Wrote:  

(02-04-2017 10:39 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-04-2017 10:07 PM)memp600 Wrote:  Well, I'll say this, I can't remember a time where there was less interest in the program than there is right now. The late 90's were really low before Cal came in. I can remember people taking naps in the upper decks of the Pyramid during that time. Maybe some of the older posters can chime in but that's as far back as I go personally.

Gotta think last year was less, right? I mean I think that was the bottom and we're working our way out now.

I go back to early 80's. There was never a lull at the MSC that I saw. Then we moved to the GAP. It started out well enough, but you're right about the last 90's. Times were as bad then. Many had quit going.

I'm glad you brought up the MSC. Everytime my parents or relatives talk about games in the Coliseum, they always talk about two things: 1) it was always packed and 2) it was always rocking. They always talk about how loud it was in there. Loudest Tigers game I've been to was the 1 vs 2 matchup against UT in '08.

It was a great setup. Good seats and loud. There was a waiting list for season tix. Should have been creative enough to introduce PSL's back then. Would have made a ton of money.

(02-05-2017 11:18 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 10:35 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 10:01 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  My take on Tubby and his recruiting is this...first I don't think he took this job to ride out his career and kick his feet up. He could have done that where he was at TT. The AD there loved Tubby and told him to wait and not take the job here and come talk to him, where the AD was going to give him want he wanted. If Tubby wanted to ease into retirement he could have done that where he was. I think Tubby wants to make another run or two before he hangs it up. That being said, I believe he wants to recruit well. I think he's going to get the Memphis kids. Now if Tubby can't recruit well enough to win on a high level then he needs to go. For those who think Tubby can't recruit well enough, I say why even watch, just move on and find something else to do. For those who aren't sure if Tubby can recruit well, why not give him the chance to succeed or fail, then judge him, but I think he deserves the opportunity to prove it one way or another. Give him a chance first, then lower the boom on his azz when he doesn't deliver. Let it play out first.

He'll get time unless he does something to void his buyout.

Has anyone been to Lubbock, TX? Not many coaches will want to spend their golden years there. That is a common misconception: that Tubby could have had a comparable or better situation at TTU. In NO way do they even come close in tradition, facilities, fan support, recruiting base, quality of living, etc and all the other things coaches evaluate when looking at a job. Not even close.

He's not saying he would have had a comp situation at TTU. He's saying the fact that Tubby made the move to Memphis from a comfortable situation in which he could have made similar money, is proof that he still wants to win and is not just taking the golden parachute. You don't realize it, but you're kind of agreeing with him by saying that Tubby made the move because our situation is more conducive to winning.

(02-07-2017 06:20 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 11:18 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 10:35 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 10:01 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  My take on Tubby and his recruiting is this...first I don't think he took this job to ride out his career and kick his feet up. He could have done that where he was at TT. The AD there loved Tubby and told him to wait and not take the job here and come talk to him, where the AD was going to give him want he wanted. If Tubby wanted to ease into retirement he could have done that where he was. I think Tubby wants to make another run or two before he hangs it up. That being said, I believe he wants to recruit well. I think he's going to get the Memphis kids. Now if Tubby can't recruit well enough to win on a high level then he needs to go. For those who think Tubby can't recruit well enough, I say why even watch, just move on and find something else to do. For those who aren't sure if Tubby can recruit well, why not give him the chance to succeed or fail, then judge him, but I think he deserves the opportunity to prove it one way or another. Give him a chance first, then lower the boom on his azz when he doesn't deliver. Let it play out first.

He'll get time unless he does something to void his buyout.

Has anyone been to Lubbock, TX? Not many coaches will want to spend their golden years there. That is a common misconception: that Tubby could have had a comparable or better situation at TTU. In NO way do they even come close in tradition, facilities, fan support, recruiting base, quality of living, etc and all the other things coaches evaluate when looking at a job. Not even close.

He's not saying he would have had a comp situation at TTU. He's saying the fact that Tubby made the move to Memphis from a comfortable situation in which he could have made similar money, is proof that he still wants to win and is not just taking the golden parachute. You don't realize it, but you're kind of agreeing with him by saying that Tubby made the move because our situation is more conducive to winning.

You're exactly correct 87! At least what I meant.

(02-06-2017 12:29 AM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 12:11 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 11:50 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 11:26 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 11:18 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Has anyone been to Lubbock, TX? Not many coaches will want to spend their golden years there. That is a common misconception: that Tubby could have had a comparable or better situation at TTU. In NO way do they even come close in tradition, facilities, fan support, recruiting base, quality of living, etc and all the other things coaches evaluate when looking at a job. Not even close.

I thought I was on ignore?????? What a joke.

Nowhere in my post did I say that Texas Tech was comparable to Memphis. Since I'm not really on IGNORE, go back and read the damn post again. My post is reasonable and is fair. I myself said that I want results beginning next season and definitely in year three. And if the results aren't there DA I will be voicing my opinion loud and clear.

Worst poster on board

TT, he prob saw your post quoted in my post even if he's got you on ignore. I don't know what you folks are arguing about. Tubby's not going anywhere anytime soon because we will not pay his buyout. At this point, it's huge. We'll get to see if he can recruit 4 and 5 star players. We'll also get a chance to see how he develops the lower ranked guys. I suspect we all want him to do well.

Exactly, we went from one huge buyout to another. I understand how difficult it is to hire a good coach but to fork over that kind of guarantee to a coach with the following pre hire resume (at his age) just didn't make sense to me after we has just partially lucked our way out of the Pastner fiasco:

Tubby Smith, last 11 seasons as a head coach
214-156 (.578) overall record [19-14 average record]
82-112 (.423) regular season conference record
10-11 conference tournament record
NCAA appearances: 6 (3-6 record)
NIT appearances: 2 (4-2 record)
Points per game average: 68.9

I would love to see Tubby make an idiot out of me for questioning his hire. The success of the BB team makes my year in March. I watch part of virtually every game of the tourney and it's always a downer without the Tigers in it. Just hoping we strike gold and win the AAC Tourney. I wouldn't care what our regular season record was.

Does anyone else see that not only was it not a safe pick, but a fairly risky one? And TT, your posts are not worth opening. It's been like a breath of fresh air on the forum with you on ignore.

Your the worst poster on the board. You called me a pansy and yet you went and told the teachers and principal (moderators) on me, just like in third grade. Only little tattle tale babies do that sissy rat crap. You like to dish it out but when people stand up to you, you get weak. I haven't once went to inform on you.

Strange how he only mention 11 years from someone with a 25-year career. I mean, I get it. He is using select number to support his position. Just strange that he thinks anyone buys it.

(02-07-2017 07:33 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Strange how he only mention 11 years from someone with a 25-year career. I mean, I get it. He is using select number to support his position. Just strange that he thinks anyone buys it.

Yeah, I picked up on that when I read it. Since I was at work when I read it, I didn't want to take a chance responding and have the IT Nazis close off access to the board. They like to block a lot of sites like this at work for some reason....

But yeah, cherry-picking his data to support his agenda (or as you pleasantly called it - "position") is right in line with this guy. I actually LOL'd when I read the "I would love to see Tubby make an idiot out of me ...." - That ship has sailed.

Players improved. Dedric improved. KJ improved. Markel is the difference between night and day! This alone is more than I expected.

Even after a win, I cringed last year. Tubby's first year is already a success.

It seems the got deleted from a lot of threads. Not sure if he's banned or not.