(02-08-2017 02:30 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 01:49 PM)450bench Wrote:  tigergg is a good guy and good fan. Totally understand his opinion. It is gonna take a lot of good fans like him some time to get through what pastner did to the program. We are all on a different pace in terms of recovery time for that.

He is actually a Great guy, 450. He's the kind of guy you would want beside you in a fox hole. That's why it surprises me that he doesn't carry that same loyalty in regards to Tubby. He's a good Christian man, he'd give you the shirt off his back, but he's wrong on this. And I'm not talking about wether or not Tubby is going to recruit well and win big here, because only God knows that. Since none of us knows the future I think it is wise, prudent, and fair to allow the man to prove and show us one way or the other that he can or can't do it. And then if he does succeed anyone who decided before hand on Tubby needs to be able to say they were wrong and be a fan again. It's like getting married and in the first week to a month saying, I don't want to be married to you because I think you're going to be a crappy spouse, so I'm not going to give you a chance. Tubby deserves Tiger fans to give him a chance and be loyal, just like being in a fox hole. If down the line he doesn't do worth a crap, blast the heck out of him.

Thx for the compliments little Tubby.. You know me well enough If I'm wrong I will definitely be the 1st one on here to admit it.

I have hope and I enjoy watching this team play.

(02-08-2017 02:58 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 02:30 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 01:49 PM)450bench Wrote:  tigergg is a good guy and good fan. Totally understand his opinion. It is gonna take a lot of good fans like him some time to get through what pastner did to the program. We are all on a different pace in terms of recovery time for that.

He is actually a Great guy, 450. He's the kind of guy you would want beside you in a fox hole. That's why it surprises me that he doesn't carry that same loyalty in regards to Tubby. He's a good Christian man, he'd give you the shirt off his back, but he's wrong on this. And I'm not talking about wether or not Tubby is going to recruit well and win big here, because only God knows that. Since none of us knows the future I think it is wise, prudent, and fair to allow the man to prove and show us one way or the other that he can or can't do it. And then if he does succeed anyone who decided before hand on Tubby needs to be able to say they were wrong and be a fan again. It's like getting married and in the first week to a month saying, I don't want to be married to you because I think you're going to be a crappy spouse, so I'm not going to give you a chance. Tubby deserves Tiger fans to give him a chance and be loyal, just like being in a fox hole. If down the line he doesn't do worth a crap, blast the heck out of him.

Thx for the compliments little Tubby.. You know me well enough If I'm wrong I will definitely be the 1st one on here to admit it.

People tend to misstate things...If you feel that way you are not WRONG...Thats how you feel.

(02-08-2017 05:07 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 02:58 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 02:30 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 01:49 PM)450bench Wrote:  tigergg is a good guy and good fan. Totally understand his opinion. It is gonna take a lot of good fans like him some time to get through what pastner did to the program. We are all on a different pace in terms of recovery time for that.

He is actually a Great guy, 450. He's the kind of guy you would want beside you in a fox hole. That's why it surprises me that he doesn't carry that same loyalty in regards to Tubby. He's a good Christian man, he'd give you the shirt off his back, but he's wrong on this. And I'm not talking about wether or not Tubby is going to recruit well and win big here, because only God knows that. Since none of us knows the future I think it is wise, prudent, and fair to allow the man to prove and show us one way or the other that he can or can't do it. And then if he does succeed anyone who decided before hand on Tubby needs to be able to say they were wrong and be a fan again. It's like getting married and in the first week to a month saying, I don't want to be married to you because I think you're going to be a crappy spouse, so I'm not going to give you a chance. Tubby deserves Tiger fans to give him a chance and be loyal, just like being in a fox hole. If down the line he doesn't do worth a crap, blast the heck out of him.

Thx for the compliments little Tubby.. You know me well enough If I'm wrong I will definitely be the 1st one on here to admit it.

People tend to misstate things...If you feel that way you are not WRONG...Thats how you feel.

We differ about that, but that's ok.

Fair or not Tubby will have to deliver some seasons well above the bubble before there is mass buy in. He has a championship. He will be held to a higher standard.

(02-08-2017 09:53 PM)Claw Wrote:  Fair or not Tubby will have to deliver some seasons well above the bubble before there is mass buy in. He has a championship. He will be held to a higher standard.

In his last 6 season of coaching he has only made 2 NCAA Tournaments and neither were better than an 8 seed....

(02-08-2017 09:53 PM)Claw Wrote:  Fair or not Tubby will have to deliver some seasons well above the bubble before there is mass buy in. He has a championship. He will be held to a higher standard.

I feel like tiger fans were burned by Cal, that anger turned into apathy in 7 years under Josh. Tubby definitely has create some real excitement for the fans to come back.

For me personally - I'm just glad we are competitive again. I go into each game thinking we have a legit chance of winning. Still in the early innings but I like what we've got in Tubby. Winning cures all.

(02-08-2017 10:52 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 09:53 PM)Claw Wrote:  Fair or not Tubby will have to deliver some seasons well above the bubble before there is mass buy in. He has a championship. He will be held to a higher standard.

In his last 6 season of coaching he has only made 2 NCAA Tournaments and neither were better than an 8 seed....

Coaching at two schools with one Final Four between them. Yeah, that's about the same as coaching at Memphis.

We are 18-7 with a roster starting the season that consisted of 1 star type player, 1 kid who had shown flashes but had zero confidence and was not even playing at the end of the year and couldn't shoot, another who played sparingly at point as a freshman but would go games never seeing the floor and 1 who played 10 games and sat out the rest of the season and looked awful when he did play and the last kid was a mid level player at Shelby State. Now someone please tell me the man can't coach??? This town is ridiculous with it's wait and see attitude, the Forum is embarrassing at times, bunch of spoiled babies who don't want to spend a dime to help the program but ***** when the Power 5 keeps passing on us.

(02-04-2017 11:12 AM)450bench Wrote:  We are only 1 win away from my own 18 victory thought for this year's team. Clearly we will surpass that by a good bit. I'm thrilled to be wrong with my original win total. Personally, I had no significant expectation this year, which made for a stress free existence. The team has overachieved as has the coach. Kudos to them. Just keep winning.

I think I predicted 18 win also & thought 20+ would be a major over-achievement. That said, I think we coulda/shoulda had a couple of more wins after watching the games. But also think the staff has handled the short bench fairly well. Crawford has been a big, albeit inconsistent, but positive surprise. Lawsons as expected. Martin a +up, Rivers better than expected (I didn't expect much). Clergeot & Randall contributing & even Kessee of late. Rykhoek was a major positive contributor until injury & I don't expect much from him the rest of the season, maybe spot minutes. The biggest improvement has been team work ethic & discipline - lower TOs, better work against the zone & better RB technique although we are still undermanned. 24-25 wins now expected & will be disappointed when we don't make the tourney with that many wins. In these areas, kudos to the coaching staff too. But the admin should look no further than the cupcake OOC scheduling for missing out - and the AAC not adding WSU to complete the Navy FB membership for not being a stronger BB conference..

(02-09-2017 08:19 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  We are 18-7 with a roster starting the season that consisted of 1 star type player, 1 kid who had shown flashes but had zero confidence and was not even playing at the end of the year and couldn't shoot, another who played sparingly at point as a freshman but would go games never seeing the floor and 1 who played 10 games and sat out the rest of the season and looked awful when he did play and the last kid was a mid level player at Shelby State. Now someone please tell me the man can't coach???

Pretty much nailed it, IMO...

(02-08-2017 09:53 PM)Claw Wrote:  Fair or not Tubby will have to deliver some seasons well above the bubble before there is mass buy in. He has a championship. He will be held to a higher standard.

This is true. I think before the season, most said the expectation would be back in the NCAA tourney by year 3, threat for the S16 by year 4.

Now, I think the expectation is probably moved up a year for most fans.

(02-08-2017 10:52 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 09:53 PM)Claw Wrote:  Fair or not Tubby will have to deliver some seasons well above the bubble before there is mass buy in. He has a championship. He will be held to a higher standard.

In his last 6 season of coaching he has only made 2 NCAA Tournaments and neither were better than an 8 seed....

Consider the jobs, dude. Every job is not UK. Just like every job is not Minnesota. There's another thread showing the data to support this. He's met or exceeded the norm at every place he's ever coached. If our norm is 1 NCAA victory every year, then it's reasonable to think he will get us back there. Nothing is guaranteed. But if you're going to look back at his past, then do it accurately.

(02-09-2017 08:19 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  We are 18-7 with a roster starting the season that consisted of 1 star type player, 1 kid who had shown flashes but had zero confidence and was not even playing at the end of the year and couldn't shoot, another who played sparingly at point as a freshman but would go games never seeing the floor and 1 who played 10 games and sat out the rest of the season and looked awful when he did play and the last kid was a mid level player at Shelby State. Now someone please tell me the man can't coach???

Not sure anyone, well except for one poster, is saying he can't coach.

In fact, some of us were the opposite end of the spectrum - take everything you just said and add 2-3 more players and this team would really be something. Some of us were saying in the summer wait until you see this raw talent actually receive coaching and proper instruction and discipline. Some of us have been saying that a ton of raw talent had been wasted the last 7 years and got ridiculed. Etc.

As it is, he still has the best player on the floor almost every night in Dedric and the kid is on a record breaking pace across the board. He's also 6-9 and can go inside/out and can pass. I'm still not sure that some folks realize just how much of a difference maker he is at the DI level. Take any middling DI roster out there with a .500 record and add Dedric Lawson and competent coaching and you're gunning for an at-large at the least.

Add to it that the non conference slate was weak and the AAC was down, and it wasn't outside the realm of possibility at all to win their fair share as long as the role players around them produced and for the most part, they have.

Also, a lot of people were excited to see a coach who knew how to handle rotations and a roster. You really want to know why the team is 18-7, just look at the minutes...the top 4 rated guys coming out of HS are playing at least 33 minutes per game. He's found a way to squeeze just enough production from 3-4 other guys to fill those remaining minutes.

But, it's no mystery either.

It's talented players getting coached. It's maximizing their abilities and putting them in positions to succeed.

There's no miracle involved. It's what we should've been seeing on the court since 2010, instead we saw a shameful circus act.

Folks have been brainwashed by 7 years of Tony Robbins jibber jabber.

I don't think you hard core fans understand the change in the casual fan base.

We used to get excited about making the bubble. Cal made where we were seeded the issue.

It will be difficult for any coach to whip up a frenzy with anything less for another ten years or so.

Minnesota went 9-22 (3-13) the year prior to Tubby's arrival. In Tubby's first year with the Gophers, they won 20 games and went to the NIT. He made the NCAA tourney 3 of the next 5 years, winning 1 game. He also made a deep NIT run one year.

Texas Tech went 11-20 (3-15) the year prior to Tubby's arrival. In Tubby's 3rd year with the Red Raiders, they won 19 games and made the NCAA tournament for the first time in 9 years.

Memphis went 19-15 (8-10) the year prior to Tubby's arrival. In Tubby's first year with the Tigers, so far, they have won 18 games and seem to be headed to the NIT, though the NCAA tournament window isn't completely shut yet.

Tubby took over a better situation, has better resources, and competes in a weaker conference when compared to his 2 previous resurrection projects.

If history is any indication of future performance, we will be in the tourney sooner rather than later. For now, that needs to be the goal...we can elevate the program past those expectations in time, but for now we just need to get some mojo back. You do that by simply making the dance.

(02-09-2017 11:00 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Minnesota went 9-22 (3-13) the year prior to Tubby's arrival. In Tubby's first year with the Gophers, they won 20 games and went to the NIT. He made the NCAA tourney 3 of the next 5 years, winning 1 game. He also made a deep NIT run one year.

Texas Tech went 11-20 (3-15) the year prior to Tubby's arrival. In Tubby's 3rd year with the Red Raiders, they won 19 games and made the NCAA tournament for the first time in 9 years.

Memphis went 19-15 (8-10) the year prior to Tubby's arrival. In Tubby's first year with the Tigers, so far, they have won 18 games and seem to be headed to the NIT, though the NCAA tournament window isn't completely shut yet.

Tubby took over a better situation, has better resources, and competes in a weaker conference when compared to his 2 previous resurrection projects.

If history is any indication of future performance, we will be in the tourney sooner rather than later. For now, that needs to be the goal...we can elevate the program past those expectations in time, but for now we just need to get some mojo back. You do that by simply making the dance.

Tubby's short term success is essentially tied to what Dedric does at the end of the year.

It's always helpful when you walk into a situation with the preseason (and likely AAC) POY on your team with his brother being the second most important player on the roster going forward.

(02-09-2017 10:25 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 08:19 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  We are 18-7 with a roster starting the season that consisted of 1 star type player, 1 kid who had shown flashes but had zero confidence and was not even playing at the end of the year and couldn't shoot, another who played sparingly at point as a freshman but would go games never seeing the floor and 1 who played 10 games and sat out the rest of the season and looked awful when he did play and the last kid was a mid level player at Shelby State. Now someone please tell me the man can't coach???

Not sure anyone, well except for one poster, is saying he can't coach.

In fact, some of us were the opposite end of the spectrum - take everything you just said and add 2-3 more players and this team would really be something. Some of us were saying in the summer wait until you see this raw talent actually receive coaching and proper instruction and discipline. Some of us have been saying that a ton of raw talent had been wasted the last 7 years and got ridiculed. Etc.

As it is, he still has the best player on the floor almost every night in Dedric and the kid is on a record breaking pace across the board. He's also 6-9 and can go inside/out and can pass. I'm still not sure that some folks realize just how much of a difference maker he is at the DI level. Take any middling DI roster out there with a .500 record and add Dedric Lawson and competent coaching and you're gunning for an at-large at the least.

Add to it that the non conference slate was weak and the AAC was down, and it wasn't outside the realm of possibility at all to win their fair share as long as the role players around them produced and for the most part, they have.

Also, a lot of people were excited to see a coach who knew how to handle rotations and a roster. You really want to know why the team is 18-7, just look at the minutes...the top 4 rated guys coming out of HS are playing at least 33 minutes per game. He's found a way to squeeze just enough production from 3-4 other guys to fill those remaining minutes.

But, it's no mystery either.

It's talented players getting coached. It's maximizing their abilities and putting them in positions to succeed.

There's no miracle involved. It's what we should've been seeing on the court since 2010, instead we saw a shameful circus act.

Folks have been brainwashed by 7 years of Tony Robbins jibber jabber.

Can I get the Cliffs notes version?

(02-09-2017 11:29 AM)3601 Wrote:  Can I get the Cliffs notes version?

I'll give you the caveman version:

Dedric good.

AAC bad.

Tubby coach

Josh clown

So, Dedric is a lock for the first round?

That's good to know.