(02-06-2017 10:57 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 12:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 10:06 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  You want to let the inmates rule the asylum? I think that's a bad idea. There needs to be a governing body. Reform the NCAA rules or, better yet, start a new one. This time have more restrictions on D1 membership, this would solve a lot of basketballs problems. The NCAA tournament money goes to pay for things like the CWS & the women Final 4. These other sports matter & these athletes deserve a championship as well. I'm fine with March Madness paying for this, the P5 keeps the CFP revenue.

Giving how the basketball season starts after only 2-3 weeks of practice I'm ok with the start of the season. The early season tournaments are for TV & they give you 3 games for the price of 1 on your schedule. They tend to lead to interesting matchups as well.

I agree though that it's a conference regular season champ that should get the auto bid. More of an emphasis needs to be placed on the regular season. I don't agree though that the committee promotes games against the smaller conferences. They weigh SOS pretty heavily & you have seen teams with great records get left out because of a poor SOS. They will jump teams over their conference mates as well for this reason. Louisville says that they take this into consideration, for example, so they try to schedule the teams that are favored to win their conference. I also think that the committee does put a lot of weight onto how a team performs in conference, that's why you very rarely see a sub .500 team in conference make the tournament no matter how strong the conference is.

Lenville the NCAA banks about 70 million a year after the other stuff you mention is paid for. They are nearing 1 billion in endowments. I would argue that money rightfully belongs to the schools.

As for the encouragement to play smaller schools you miss the point entirely. When do we play most OOC games? In November and December. How many P schools do we play during that time? Anywhere from 2 to 4 depending upon tournament performances. The rest are played against G5 schools with strong preseason RPI's and a few patsies. And that's for schools who are concerned with RPI. So the set up definitely encourages increased RPI and the schools willing to play you at home (without a home & home arrangement) are G5 who need the payday and want a shot at a P school to help their RPI. So my friend it is encouraged, not directly, but implicitly.

Is that $79 million just after paying for the championships in other sports or after all expenses? Lawyer fees, investigators salaries, office personnel, building leases & maintenance, etc? I would expect an organization the size of the NCAA would have a high overhead.

The early season games are also home games for power teams & generate ticket sales & other various revenues. The more power v power games you have the fewer the home games are for power teams. They are warmup/tuneup games as well. Freshman have very little time to settle in & start training before practice starts. There's no spring practices in basketball. I understand that it's not an exciting part of the season but I think it's a necessary evil so to speak.

Lenville, it is what the mother's bankroll every danged year! Quit trying to find an excuse for them because there isn't one. Furthermore, basketball attendance and revenue for most schools (not in Kentucky or Indiana or North Carolina) is slipping every year and has been doing that since before football started slipping (mostly on the West Coast and East Coast).

The NCAA overreacted against Penn State and then reneged way too much on appeal. They've permitted UNC to cheat and for its leadership to permit fraudulent classes, grades, etc. for over 20 years with no sanctions. They permitted Miami to offer prostitutes, drugs, and other illicit enticements to recruits since Nevin Shapiro became a booster and nothing has come of it. They don't want to touch Baylor now. What in the Hell do they exist to do if not police the sports offered by our schools? Like any governing agency they need enough revenue to provide the necessary functions each year, and no more. You tell me why they should have an endowment approaching a billion. And then explain to me very carefully why the schools aren't entitled to the excess revenue that goes into those deposits?

(02-06-2017 12:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 10:57 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 12:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 10:06 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  You want to let the inmates rule the asylum? I think that's a bad idea. There needs to be a governing body. Reform the NCAA rules or, better yet, start a new one. This time have more restrictions on D1 membership, this would solve a lot of basketballs problems. The NCAA tournament money goes to pay for things like the CWS & the women Final 4. These other sports matter & these athletes deserve a championship as well. I'm fine with March Madness paying for this, the P5 keeps the CFP revenue.

Giving how the basketball season starts after only 2-3 weeks of practice I'm ok with the start of the season. The early season tournaments are for TV & they give you 3 games for the price of 1 on your schedule. They tend to lead to interesting matchups as well.

I agree though that it's a conference regular season champ that should get the auto bid. More of an emphasis needs to be placed on the regular season. I don't agree though that the committee promotes games against the smaller conferences. They weigh SOS pretty heavily & you have seen teams with great records get left out because of a poor SOS. They will jump teams over their conference mates as well for this reason. Louisville says that they take this into consideration, for example, so they try to schedule the teams that are favored to win their conference. I also think that the committee does put a lot of weight onto how a team performs in conference, that's why you very rarely see a sub .500 team in conference make the tournament no matter how strong the conference is.

Lenville the NCAA banks about 70 million a year after the other stuff you mention is paid for. They are nearing 1 billion in endowments. I would argue that money rightfully belongs to the schools.

As for the encouragement to play smaller schools you miss the point entirely. When do we play most OOC games? In November and December. How many P schools do we play during that time? Anywhere from 2 to 4 depending upon tournament performances. The rest are played against G5 schools with strong preseason RPI's and a few patsies. And that's for schools who are concerned with RPI. So the set up definitely encourages increased RPI and the schools willing to play you at home (without a home & home arrangement) are G5 who need the payday and want a shot at a P school to help their RPI. So my friend it is encouraged, not directly, but implicitly.

Is that $79 million just after paying for the championships in other sports or after all expenses? Lawyer fees, investigators salaries, office personnel, building leases & maintenance, etc? I would expect an organization the size of the NCAA would have a high overhead.

The early season games are also home games for power teams & generate ticket sales & other various revenues. The more power v power games you have the fewer the home games are for power teams. They are warmup/tuneup games as well. Freshman have very little time to settle in & start training before practice starts. There's no spring practices in basketball. I understand that it's not an exciting part of the season but I think it's a necessary evil so to speak.

Lenville, it is what the mother's bankroll every danged year! Quit trying to find an excuse for them because there isn't one. Furthermore, basketball attendance and revenue for most schools (not in Kentucky or Indiana or North Carolina) is slipping every year and has been doing that since before football started slipping (mostly on the West Coast and East Coast).

The NCAA overreacted against Penn State and then reneged way too much on appeal. They've permitted UNC to cheat and for its leadership to permit fraudulent classes, grades, etc. for over 20 years with no sanctions. They permitted Miami to offer prostitutes, drugs, and other illicit enticements to recruits since Nevin Shapiro became a booster and nothing has come of it. They don't want to touch Baylor now. What in the Hell do they exist to do if not police the sports offered by our schools? Like any governing agency they need enough revenue to provide the necessary functions each year, and no more. You tell me why they should have an endowment approaching a billion. And then explain to me very carefully why the schools aren't entitled to the excess revenue that goes into those deposits?

The teams that will make the tournament from the SEC are South Carolina, Kentucky and Florida.


BTW JR, you keep conveniently forgetting that it it was Dickie Baddour (Carolina's AD) that blew the whistle on the AFAM classes (which were uncovered during the Athletic Department's own investigation into improper benefits allegations that centered around John Blake and Butch Davis).

(02-06-2017 12:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 10:57 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 12:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 10:06 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  You want to let the inmates rule the asylum? I think that's a bad idea. There needs to be a governing body. Reform the NCAA rules or, better yet, start a new one. This time have more restrictions on D1 membership, this would solve a lot of basketballs problems. The NCAA tournament money goes to pay for things like the CWS & the women Final 4. These other sports matter & these athletes deserve a championship as well. I'm fine with March Madness paying for this, the P5 keeps the CFP revenue.

Giving how the basketball season starts after only 2-3 weeks of practice I'm ok with the start of the season. The early season tournaments are for TV & they give you 3 games for the price of 1 on your schedule. They tend to lead to interesting matchups as well.

I agree though that it's a conference regular season champ that should get the auto bid. More of an emphasis needs to be placed on the regular season. I don't agree though that the committee promotes games against the smaller conferences. They weigh SOS pretty heavily & you have seen teams with great records get left out because of a poor SOS. They will jump teams over their conference mates as well for this reason. Louisville says that they take this into consideration, for example, so they try to schedule the teams that are favored to win their conference. I also think that the committee does put a lot of weight onto how a team performs in conference, that's why you very rarely see a sub .500 team in conference make the tournament no matter how strong the conference is.

Lenville the NCAA banks about 70 million a year after the other stuff you mention is paid for. They are nearing 1 billion in endowments. I would argue that money rightfully belongs to the schools.

As for the encouragement to play smaller schools you miss the point entirely. When do we play most OOC games? In November and December. How many P schools do we play during that time? Anywhere from 2 to 4 depending upon tournament performances. The rest are played against G5 schools with strong preseason RPI's and a few patsies. And that's for schools who are concerned with RPI. So the set up definitely encourages increased RPI and the schools willing to play you at home (without a home & home arrangement) are G5 who need the payday and want a shot at a P school to help their RPI. So my friend it is encouraged, not directly, but implicitly.

Is that $79 million just after paying for the championships in other sports or after all expenses? Lawyer fees, investigators salaries, office personnel, building leases & maintenance, etc? I would expect an organization the size of the NCAA would have a high overhead.

The early season games are also home games for power teams & generate ticket sales & other various revenues. The more power v power games you have the fewer the home games are for power teams. They are warmup/tuneup games as well. Freshman have very little time to settle in & start training before practice starts. There's no spring practices in basketball. I understand that it's not an exciting part of the season but I think it's a necessary evil so to speak.

Lenville, it is what the mother's bankroll every danged year! Quit trying to find an excuse for them because there isn't one. Furthermore, basketball attendance and revenue for most schools (not in Kentucky or Indiana or North Carolina) is slipping every year and has been doing that since before football started slipping (mostly on the West Coast and East Coast).

The NCAA overreacted against Penn State and then reneged way too much on appeal. They've permitted UNC to cheat and for its leadership to permit fraudulent classes, grades, etc. for over 20 years with no sanctions. They permitted Miami to offer prostitutes, drugs, and other illicit enticements to recruits since Nevin Shapiro became a booster and nothing has come of it. They don't want to touch Baylor now. What in the Hell do they exist to do if not police the sports offered by our schools? Like any governing agency they need enough revenue to provide the necessary functions each year, and no more. You tell me why they should have an endowment approaching a billion. And then explain to me very carefully why the schools aren't entitled to the excess revenue that goes into those deposits?

Sorry if you find a simple question offensive JR. I'm a business owner, that's how my mind works. I think about expenses. My business brings in a lot of money every month but a very small percentage of it is profit. Not making excuses, I haven't studied the NCAA financial books like you obviously have & I don't have a clue as to what kind of profits they are generating. Are you saying that they are keeping a large profit after all expenses? If so then that money absolutely needs to be returned to the universities. Wasn't intended to be offensive.

Where did I say that the NCAA has been effective? There's a lot of tedious work that they have to perform beyond handling investigations. If you noticed that in another post I said that the NCAA needs to be reformed or redone. The rules book is completely out of control. I have no desire in discussing individual cases & that isn't in the context of this thread.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the early season games but I have already agreed with you that more of an emphasis has to be placed on the regular season. We just have different methods of doing so.

(02-07-2017 10:10 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 12:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 10:57 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 12:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 10:06 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  You want to let the inmates rule the asylum? I think that's a bad idea. There needs to be a governing body. Reform the NCAA rules or, better yet, start a new one. This time have more restrictions on D1 membership, this would solve a lot of basketballs problems. The NCAA tournament money goes to pay for things like the CWS & the women Final 4. These other sports matter & these athletes deserve a championship as well. I'm fine with March Madness paying for this, the P5 keeps the CFP revenue.

Giving how the basketball season starts after only 2-3 weeks of practice I'm ok with the start of the season. The early season tournaments are for TV & they give you 3 games for the price of 1 on your schedule. They tend to lead to interesting matchups as well.

I agree though that it's a conference regular season champ that should get the auto bid. More of an emphasis needs to be placed on the regular season. I don't agree though that the committee promotes games against the smaller conferences. They weigh SOS pretty heavily & you have seen teams with great records get left out because of a poor SOS. They will jump teams over their conference mates as well for this reason. Louisville says that they take this into consideration, for example, so they try to schedule the teams that are favored to win their conference. I also think that the committee does put a lot of weight onto how a team performs in conference, that's why you very rarely see a sub .500 team in conference make the tournament no matter how strong the conference is.

Lenville the NCAA banks about 70 million a year after the other stuff you mention is paid for. They are nearing 1 billion in endowments. I would argue that money rightfully belongs to the schools.

As for the encouragement to play smaller schools you miss the point entirely. When do we play most OOC games? In November and December. How many P schools do we play during that time? Anywhere from 2 to 4 depending upon tournament performances. The rest are played against G5 schools with strong preseason RPI's and a few patsies. And that's for schools who are concerned with RPI. So the set up definitely encourages increased RPI and the schools willing to play you at home (without a home & home arrangement) are G5 who need the payday and want a shot at a P school to help their RPI. So my friend it is encouraged, not directly, but implicitly.

Is that $79 million just after paying for the championships in other sports or after all expenses? Lawyer fees, investigators salaries, office personnel, building leases & maintenance, etc? I would expect an organization the size of the NCAA would have a high overhead.

The early season games are also home games for power teams & generate ticket sales & other various revenues. The more power v power games you have the fewer the home games are for power teams. They are warmup/tuneup games as well. Freshman have very little time to settle in & start training before practice starts. There's no spring practices in basketball. I understand that it's not an exciting part of the season but I think it's a necessary evil so to speak.

Lenville, it is what the mother's bankroll every danged year! Quit trying to find an excuse for them because there isn't one. Furthermore, basketball attendance and revenue for most schools (not in Kentucky or Indiana or North Carolina) is slipping every year and has been doing that since before football started slipping (mostly on the West Coast and East Coast).

The NCAA overreacted against Penn State and then reneged way too much on appeal. They've permitted UNC to cheat and for its leadership to permit fraudulent classes, grades, etc. for over 20 years with no sanctions. They permitted Miami to offer prostitutes, drugs, and other illicit enticements to recruits since Nevin Shapiro became a booster and nothing has come of it. They don't want to touch Baylor now. What in the Hell do they exist to do if not police the sports offered by our schools? Like any governing agency they need enough revenue to provide the necessary functions each year, and no more. You tell me why they should have an endowment approaching a billion. And then explain to me very carefully why the schools aren't entitled to the excess revenue that goes into those deposits?

Sorry if you find a simple question offensive JR. I'm a business owner, that's how my mind works. I think about expenses. My business brings in a lot of money every month but a very small percentage of it is profit. Not making excuses, I haven't studied the NCAA financial books like you obviously have & I don't have a clue as to what kind of profits they are generating. Are you saying that they are keeping a large profit after all expenses? If so then that money absolutely needs to be returned to the universities. Wasn't intended to be offensive.

Where did I say that the NCAA has been effective? There's a lot of tedious work that they have to perform beyond handling investigations. If you noticed that in another post I said that the NCAA needs to be reformed or redone. The rules book is completely out of control. I have no desire in discussing individual cases & that isn't in the context of this thread.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the early season games but I have already agreed with you that more of an emphasis has to be placed on the regular season. We just have different methods of doing so.

Lenville, I didn't mean to offend you and I'm sorry if I did. I was merely expressing exasperation over the amount of money they do bankroll. The NCAA has become a government style bureaucracy complete with self protection. They dole out money to the smaller institutions because those schools technically represent more of the vote. They take the bulk of their money from the NCAA basketball tournament. They throw a bone to the big schools by laying off of football a lot more than they do with the other sports. But at the end of each season they typically deposit another 70 million into one of the two NCAA endowments which they claim is for future operation costs. So by robbing from all, but particularly the large schools they play a form of collegiate welfare to support sports at levels that cannot be supported by other donors or fans. They use that goodwill to secure the votes to remain in power. They have no teeth for real violations of large schools because they fear the day we ban together and walk out and they don't want to tweak the nose of one of the Big Dogs. So they go after your Cardinals while the Tar Heels make a mockery of institutional control. They will go after Baylor, but backed off of Penn State.

(02-07-2017 12:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 10:10 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 12:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 10:57 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 12:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Lenville the NCAA banks about 70 million a year after the other stuff you mention is paid for. They are nearing 1 billion in endowments. I would argue that money rightfully belongs to the schools.

As for the encouragement to play smaller schools you miss the point entirely. When do we play most OOC games? In November and December. How many P schools do we play during that time? Anywhere from 2 to 4 depending upon tournament performances. The rest are played against G5 schools with strong preseason RPI's and a few patsies. And that's for schools who are concerned with RPI. So the set up definitely encourages increased RPI and the schools willing to play you at home (without a home & home arrangement) are G5 who need the payday and want a shot at a P school to help their RPI. So my friend it is encouraged, not directly, but implicitly.

Is that $79 million just after paying for the championships in other sports or after all expenses? Lawyer fees, investigators salaries, office personnel, building leases & maintenance, etc? I would expect an organization the size of the NCAA would have a high overhead.

The early season games are also home games for power teams & generate ticket sales & other various revenues. The more power v power games you have the fewer the home games are for power teams. They are warmup/tuneup games as well. Freshman have very little time to settle in & start training before practice starts. There's no spring practices in basketball. I understand that it's not an exciting part of the season but I think it's a necessary evil so to speak.

Lenville, it is what the mother's bankroll every danged year! Quit trying to find an excuse for them because there isn't one. Furthermore, basketball attendance and revenue for most schools (not in Kentucky or Indiana or North Carolina) is slipping every year and has been doing that since before football started slipping (mostly on the West Coast and East Coast).

The NCAA overreacted against Penn State and then reneged way too much on appeal. They've permitted UNC to cheat and for its leadership to permit fraudulent classes, grades, etc. for over 20 years with no sanctions. They permitted Miami to offer prostitutes, drugs, and other illicit enticements to recruits since Nevin Shapiro became a booster and nothing has come of it. They don't want to touch Baylor now. What in the Hell do they exist to do if not police the sports offered by our schools? Like any governing agency they need enough revenue to provide the necessary functions each year, and no more. You tell me why they should have an endowment approaching a billion. And then explain to me very carefully why the schools aren't entitled to the excess revenue that goes into those deposits?

Sorry if you find a simple question offensive JR. I'm a business owner, that's how my mind works. I think about expenses. My business brings in a lot of money every month but a very small percentage of it is profit. Not making excuses, I haven't studied the NCAA financial books like you obviously have & I don't have a clue as to what kind of profits they are generating. Are you saying that they are keeping a large profit after all expenses? If so then that money absolutely needs to be returned to the universities. Wasn't intended to be offensive.

Where did I say that the NCAA has been effective? There's a lot of tedious work that they have to perform beyond handling investigations. If you noticed that in another post I said that the NCAA needs to be reformed or redone. The rules book is completely out of control. I have no desire in discussing individual cases & that isn't in the context of this thread.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the early season games but I have already agreed with you that more of an emphasis has to be placed on the regular season. We just have different methods of doing so.

Lenville, I didn't mean to offend you and I'm sorry if I did. I was merely expressing exasperation over the amount of money they do bankroll. The NCAA has become a government style bureaucracy complete with self protection. They dole out money to the smaller institutions because those schools technically represent more of the vote. They take the bulk of their money from the NCAA basketball tournament. They throw a bone to the big schools by laying off of football a lot more than they do with the other sports. But at the end of each season they typically deposit another 70 million into one of the two NCAA endowments which they claim is for future operation costs. So by robbing from all, but particularly the large schools they play a form of collegiate welfare to support sports at levels that cannot be supported by other donors or fans. They use that goodwill to secure the votes to remain in power. They have no teeth for real violations of large schools because they fear the day we ban together and walk out and they don't want to tweak the nose of one of the Big Dogs. So they go after your Cardinals while the Tar Heels make a mockery of institutional control. They will go after Baylor, but backed off of Penn State.

I was concerned that I offended you, wasn't my intent. Perhaps I read to much into it after dealing with the new Oklahoma troll on the main board. It seems to me that the NCAA should be a nonprofit organization. As for Penn State & NC I can see their argument. New rules need to be passed to remove their argument. I'm still disgusted about what happened at Louisville but I don't have any complaints over how the NCAA has handled it so far. I think their NOA was pretty spot on, even if it somewhat flies in the face of the media narrative.

(02-07-2017 04:09 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 12:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 10:10 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 12:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 10:57 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Is that $79 million just after paying for the championships in other sports or after all expenses? Lawyer fees, investigators salaries, office personnel, building leases & maintenance, etc? I would expect an organization the size of the NCAA would have a high overhead.

The early season games are also home games for power teams & generate ticket sales & other various revenues. The more power v power games you have the fewer the home games are for power teams. They are warmup/tuneup games as well. Freshman have very little time to settle in & start training before practice starts. There's no spring practices in basketball. I understand that it's not an exciting part of the season but I think it's a necessary evil so to speak.

Lenville, it is what the mother's bankroll every danged year! Quit trying to find an excuse for them because there isn't one. Furthermore, basketball attendance and revenue for most schools (not in Kentucky or Indiana or North Carolina) is slipping every year and has been doing that since before football started slipping (mostly on the West Coast and East Coast).

The NCAA overreacted against Penn State and then reneged way too much on appeal. They've permitted UNC to cheat and for its leadership to permit fraudulent classes, grades, etc. for over 20 years with no sanctions. They permitted Miami to offer prostitutes, drugs, and other illicit enticements to recruits since Nevin Shapiro became a booster and nothing has come of it. They don't want to touch Baylor now. What in the Hell do they exist to do if not police the sports offered by our schools? Like any governing agency they need enough revenue to provide the necessary functions each year, and no more. You tell me why they should have an endowment approaching a billion. And then explain to me very carefully why the schools aren't entitled to the excess revenue that goes into those deposits?

Sorry if you find a simple question offensive JR. I'm a business owner, that's how my mind works. I think about expenses. My business brings in a lot of money every month but a very small percentage of it is profit. Not making excuses, I haven't studied the NCAA financial books like you obviously have & I don't have a clue as to what kind of profits they are generating. Are you saying that they are keeping a large profit after all expenses? If so then that money absolutely needs to be returned to the universities. Wasn't intended to be offensive.

Where did I say that the NCAA has been effective? There's a lot of tedious work that they have to perform beyond handling investigations. If you noticed that in another post I said that the NCAA needs to be reformed or redone. The rules book is completely out of control. I have no desire in discussing individual cases & that isn't in the context of this thread.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the early season games but I have already agreed with you that more of an emphasis has to be placed on the regular season. We just have different methods of doing so.

Lenville, I didn't mean to offend you and I'm sorry if I did. I was merely expressing exasperation over the amount of money they do bankroll. The NCAA has become a government style bureaucracy complete with self protection. They dole out money to the smaller institutions because those schools technically represent more of the vote. They take the bulk of their money from the NCAA basketball tournament. They throw a bone to the big schools by laying off of football a lot more than they do with the other sports. But at the end of each season they typically deposit another 70 million into one of the two NCAA endowments which they claim is for future operation costs. So by robbing from all, but particularly the large schools they play a form of collegiate welfare to support sports at levels that cannot be supported by other donors or fans. They use that goodwill to secure the votes to remain in power. They have no teeth for real violations of large schools because they fear the day we ban together and walk out and they don't want to tweak the nose of one of the Big Dogs. So they go after your Cardinals while the Tar Heels make a mockery of institutional control. They will go after Baylor, but backed off of Penn State.

I was concerned that I offended you, wasn't my intent. Perhaps I read to much into it after dealing with the new Oklahoma troll on the main board. It seems to me that the NCAA should be a nonprofit organization. As for Penn State & NC I can see their argument. New rules need to be passed to remove their argument. I'm still disgusted about what happened at Louisville but I don't have any complaints over how the NCAA has handled it so far. I think their NOA was pretty spot on, even if it somewhat flies in the face of the media narrative.

The point I'm making is that the #1 offense to the NCAA rules committee is lack of institutional control. That's what landed SMU the death penalty. While I'm not advocating for the invocation of the death penalty it is woefully obvious that Baylor, Penn State, and North Carolina all had a deplorable lack of institutional control. Yet the NCAA picks and chooses what it wishes to do. No doubt that they are hamstrung with regard to criminal charges, but then they should be. They aren't the police. But the admitted cover up of rape, the giving of grades for fictitious classes complete with a billing for them from the bursar's office, and the institutional cover up of crimes in the athletic department at Penn State all merit prima facia, even without criminal charges being filed, a lack of institutional control. And yet the penalties, or lack thereof are too wide ranging in their degree to be called even handed even by the naivest of critics.

The need to go. The P5 needs its own governing board. One set of officials. And the employ of an outside investigatory firm to handle allegations. We also need to keep our basketball revenue for ourselves. Those are my points and my issues here.

(02-07-2017 04:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 04:09 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 12:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 10:10 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 12:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Lenville, it is what the mother's bankroll every danged year! Quit trying to find an excuse for them because there isn't one. Furthermore, basketball attendance and revenue for most schools (not in Kentucky or Indiana or North Carolina) is slipping every year and has been doing that since before football started slipping (mostly on the West Coast and East Coast).

The NCAA overreacted against Penn State and then reneged way too much on appeal. They've permitted UNC to cheat and for its leadership to permit fraudulent classes, grades, etc. for over 20 years with no sanctions. They permitted Miami to offer prostitutes, drugs, and other illicit enticements to recruits since Nevin Shapiro became a booster and nothing has come of it. They don't want to touch Baylor now. What in the Hell do they exist to do if not police the sports offered by our schools? Like any governing agency they need enough revenue to provide the necessary functions each year, and no more. You tell me why they should have an endowment approaching a billion. And then explain to me very carefully why the schools aren't entitled to the excess revenue that goes into those deposits?

Sorry if you find a simple question offensive JR. I'm a business owner, that's how my mind works. I think about expenses. My business brings in a lot of money every month but a very small percentage of it is profit. Not making excuses, I haven't studied the NCAA financial books like you obviously have & I don't have a clue as to what kind of profits they are generating. Are you saying that they are keeping a large profit after all expenses? If so then that money absolutely needs to be returned to the universities. Wasn't intended to be offensive.

Where did I say that the NCAA has been effective? There's a lot of tedious work that they have to perform beyond handling investigations. If you noticed that in another post I said that the NCAA needs to be reformed or redone. The rules book is completely out of control. I have no desire in discussing individual cases & that isn't in the context of this thread.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the early season games but I have already agreed with you that more of an emphasis has to be placed on the regular season. We just have different methods of doing so.

Lenville, I didn't mean to offend you and I'm sorry if I did. I was merely expressing exasperation over the amount of money they do bankroll. The NCAA has become a government style bureaucracy complete with self protection. They dole out money to the smaller institutions because those schools technically represent more of the vote. They take the bulk of their money from the NCAA basketball tournament. They throw a bone to the big schools by laying off of football a lot more than they do with the other sports. But at the end of each season they typically deposit another 70 million into one of the two NCAA endowments which they claim is for future operation costs. So by robbing from all, but particularly the large schools they play a form of collegiate welfare to support sports at levels that cannot be supported by other donors or fans. They use that goodwill to secure the votes to remain in power. They have no teeth for real violations of large schools because they fear the day we ban together and walk out and they don't want to tweak the nose of one of the Big Dogs. So they go after your Cardinals while the Tar Heels make a mockery of institutional control. They will go after Baylor, but backed off of Penn State.

I was concerned that I offended you, wasn't my intent. Perhaps I read to much into it after dealing with the new Oklahoma troll on the main board. It seems to me that the NCAA should be a nonprofit organization. As for Penn State & NC I can see their argument. New rules need to be passed to remove their argument. I'm still disgusted about what happened at Louisville but I don't have any complaints over how the NCAA has handled it so far. I think their NOA was pretty spot on, even if it somewhat flies in the face of the media narrative.

The point I'm making is that the #1 offense to the NCAA rules committee is lack of institutional control. That's what landed SMU the death penalty. While I'm not advocating for the invocation of the death penalty it is woefully obvious that Baylor, Penn State, and North Carolina all had a deplorable lack of institutional control. Yet the NCAA picks and chooses what it wishes to do. No doubt that they are hamstrung with regard to criminal charges, but then they should be. They aren't the police. But the admitted cover up of rape, the giving of grades for fictitious classes complete with a billing for them from the bursar's office, and the institutional cover up of crimes in the athletic department at Penn State all merit prima facia, even without criminal charges being filed, a lack of institutional control. And yet the penalties, or lack thereof are too wide ranging in their degree to be called even handed even by the naivest of critics.

The need to go. The P5 needs its own governing board. One set of officials. And the employ of an outside investigatory firm to handle allegations. We also need to keep our basketball revenue for ourselves. Those are my points and my issues here.

All far points, no arguments here.

Step 1. NCAA SEPARATION

Let existing state and federal agencies enforce criminal laws. New governing body enforces recruiting, academic eligibility, funding rules, etc.

SEC, ACC, B1G, PAC, AAC, MWC, Big East, A10
(Big 12 schools and perhaps some CUSA, MAC or others like Gonzaga, St. Mary's? VCU? Wichita St.? NMSU? etc. absorbed into the above-named 8 conferences)
[Note - this leaves 6 conferences for CFB]

Step 2. REGULAR SEASON

Pre-conference season tournaments and OOC games are fine, if schools want to play. But, start the season in December, after the end of the CFB regular season.

Play double round robin within your division...home and away. Double round robin for larger conferences is a non-starter. Too many conference games.

Step 3. CONFERENCE TOURNAMENTS

Every team in the conference plays in the conference tournament.

Step 4. NATIONAL TOURNAMENT

40 teams. 16 teams involved in a Play-In round (8 play-in games to determine the lower seeds).

16 autobids to the field of 40 - 2 per conference - regular season AND tournament champions. 1 school per conference must be guaranteed in the field of 32. If the regular season and tournament champion is the same team, conference can choose the other school (regular season or tournament runner-up?).

Selection committee can obviously factor regular season title and tournament champions into seeding, but must place at least 1 autobid from each conference in the field of 32 (ie, avoiding the Play-In). Each conference will likely have 2-6 participants in the National Tournament.

Step 5. CONSOLATION TOURNAMENTS

Allow postseason consolation tournaments. Allow early-round losers from the National Tournament to participate in the later rounds of consolation tournaments, if desired. Schedule consolation games on the off days of the National Tournament.

(02-08-2017 01:10 PM)YNot Wrote:  Step 1. NCAA SEPARATION

Let existing state and federal agencies enforce criminal laws. New governing body enforces recruiting, academic eligibility, funding rules, etc.

SEC, ACC, B1G, PAC, AAC, MWC, Big East, A10
(Big 12 schools and perhaps some CUSA, MAC or others like Gonzaga, St. Mary's? VCU? Wichita St.? NMSU? etc. absorbed into the above-named 8 conferences)
[Note - this leaves 6 conferences for CFB]

I think whoever is left from the Big 12 will be absorbed by the MWC or the AAC...that's one of the reasons I wanted to include them.

VCU is currently in the A10.

I think a few schools like Gonzaga, St. Mary's, and Wichita State could get invited by the MWC or another league. Reason being is that the money from the new basketball tournament would make the moves worth the additions.

9. Kentucky 20-5
10. Florida 20-5
23. South Carolina 20-5
43. Arkansas 18-7
46. Tennessee 14-11
53. Georgia 14-11

Not even sure if Arkansas can make it in at this point. Tennessee has the great RPI but has a problem with winning games

Besides the top three, the SEC does what the SEC always does, teams that are on the cusp of getting bids lose inexplicable games, i.e. Arkansas losing to Missouri, Tennessee getting on a nice run then losing to Miss State and home to UGa, UGa when they were looking good had a couple bad losses, etc. I am glad that Florida and South Carolina are strong and proving themselves legit, both are great teams with great coaches and at least making for a strong top of the league this year. I will say, for all the burying the media does of our league, generally, once the tournament starts, the few teams we get in, 3 or 4 or whatever, usually stay around about as long as the top of all the other leagues. Count up the wins over the last 5, 7, 10 years, the SEC is at, or very near, the top.

(02-13-2017 01:09 AM)Blue Dynasty Wrote:  Besides the top three, the SEC does what the SEC always does, teams that are on the cusp of getting bids lose inexplicable games, i.e. Arkansas losing to Missouri, Tennessee getting on a nice run then losing to Miss State and home to UGa, UGa when they were looking good had a couple bad losses, etc. I am glad that Florida and South Carolina are strong and proving themselves legit, both are great teams with great coaches and at least making for a strong top of the league this year. I will say, for all the burying the media does of our league, generally, once the tournament starts, the few teams we get in, 3 or 4 or whatever, usually stay around about as long as the top of all the other leagues. Count up the wins over the last 5, 7, 10 years, the SEC is at, or very near, the top.

This is absolutely true! It's the pent up rage over our usual football dominance. March is the time to stick it to the SEC, level the playing field a little bit with regards to bowl revenue by cutting us from the tourney creds. I hope to see our top 3 in the Sweet Sixteen and at least 2 in the Elite Eight and 1 in the final Four. More than that would be wonderful.