Amen JackieTreehorn. If you cannot see what Mick has accomplished here, you are simply ignorant and blind.

(02-03-2017 11:14 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 08:35 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 07:59 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketb...e-in-march

Good article. I like Mick, but I really think he should take a page out of Luke Fickell's playbook and quit with the excuses (conference change, one and done, media coverage, etc) We have a good team this year, sweek 16 or bust.

So how many games has Fickell actually coached here? How about zero. Let's see what happens before bashing Mick who took over a program that got a de facto death penalty.

We can all ***** about what Mick does on offense, we can ***** about various defenses, we can ***** about personel and in game substitutions, but what we cannot ***** about is how Mick took control of this program that was in the toilet and pulled it by its bootstraps back to national relativity and did it the right way.

(02-03-2017 11:49 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 11:14 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 08:35 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 07:59 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketb...e-in-march

Good article. I like Mick, but I really think he should take a page out of Luke Fickell's playbook and quit with the excuses (conference change, one and done, media coverage, etc) We have a good team this year, sweek 16 or bust.

So how many games has Fickell actually coached here? How about zero. Let's see what happens before bashing Mick who took over a program that got a de facto death penalty.

We can all ***** about what Mick does on offense, we can ***** about various defenses, we can ***** about personel and in game substitutions, but what we cannot ***** about is how Mick took control of this program that was in the ashes and pulled it by its bootstraps back to national relativity and did it the right way.

AMEN. The program is sitting pretty guys. Damn good. Let's get this new gym built and I think we'll be all the way back (Since people can't seem to accept that this is a completely different era of Bearcat basketball).

Very good article.

A question for the board: how far would we have to advance to move the meter on a national scale? The reason I ask that is I would argue Gonzaga gets a lot more national respect than we do yet they have never been to a Final Four and have one Elite 8 and Two Sweet Sixteens since 2000 (which just happened in the past two seasons). I have to think we need at least an Elite 8 run to get "more love".

What say you?

(02-03-2017 11:14 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 08:35 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 07:59 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketb...e-in-march

Good article. I like Mick, but I really think he should take a page out of Luke Fickell's playbook and quit with the excuses (conference change, one and done, media coverage, etc) We have a good team this year, sweek 16 or bust.

So how many games has Fickell actually coached here? How about zero. Let's see what happens before bashing Mick who took over a program that got a de facto death penalty.

When did I bash Mick? I'm just done with excuses, even if they are true. This is our chance this year to show what we are made of. No excuses (bad seed, bad matchup, bad luck, etc.)

(02-03-2017 12:03 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Very good article.

A question for the board: how far would we have to advance to move the meter on a national scale? The reason I ask that is I would argue Gonzaga gets a lot more national respect than we do yet they have never been to a Final Four and have one Elite 8 and Two Sweet Sixteens since 2000 (which just happened in the past two seasons). I have to think we need at least an Elite 8 run to get "more love".

What say you?

I'd say elite 8, but really a final 4 to really get people talking the next year. I think you know you are relevant when you are getting mentioned on generic national sports shows like Mike and Mike, PTI, Dan Patrick, etc. Those kind of programs only talk about 5-10 teams, in the rare instance they even talk about college hoops.

(02-03-2017 12:03 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Very good article.

A question for the board: how far would we have to advance to move the meter on a national scale? The reason I ask that is I would argue Gonzaga gets a lot more national respect than we do yet they have never been to a Final Four and have one Elite 8 and Two Sweet Sixteens since 2000 (which just happened in the past two seasons). I have to think we need at least an Elite 8 run to get "more love".

What say you?

I'm thinking a couple of years worth is what it is gonna take....... What kind of team do you not want to see in the 2nd or 3rd round?

(02-03-2017 12:06 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 12:03 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Very good article.

A question for the board: how far would we have to advance to move the meter on a national scale? The reason I ask that is I would argue Gonzaga gets a lot more national respect than we do yet they have never been to a Final Four and have one Elite 8 and Two Sweet Sixteens since 2000 (which just happened in the past two seasons). I have to think we need at least an Elite 8 run to get "more love".

What say you?

I'd say elite 8, but really a final 4 to really get people talking the next year. I think you know you are relevant when you are getting mentioned on generic national sports shows like Mike and Mike, PTI, Dan Patrick, etc. Those kind of programs only talk about 5-10 teams, in the rare instance they even talk about college hoops.

...and to get it on any station with an ESPN prefix is big too...they rarely talk about non-P5 schools.

(02-03-2017 12:25 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 12:03 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Very good article.

A question for the board: how far would we have to advance to move the meter on a national scale? The reason I ask that is I would argue Gonzaga gets a lot more national respect than we do yet they have never been to a Final Four and have one Elite 8 and Two Sweet Sixteens since 2000 (which just happened in the past two seasons). I have to think we need at least an Elite 8 run to get "more love".

What say you?

I'm thinking a couple of years worth is what it is gonna take....... What kind of team do you not want to see in the 2nd or 3rd round?

I agree it will take a couple consecutive years plus some upsets. People remember the upsets. The Zags started their run with three straight sweet sixteens (incl 1 elite 8) that all included upsets. That early bank of goodwill has carried them through MANY first and second round exits. 11 of the following 15 years to be exact.

As far as who I don't want to see, I am less concerned with style of play as I have been in the past. This years team seems to be very versatile. I'm not sure who else fits the bill, but I would hate to see a Villanova. They are guard oriented and can shoot, but their guards are also big (6-3 up to 6-6) and can rebound.

I've never been a rah rah Mick fan. I do appreciate that he is a good coach.

For those who do not fully appreciate Mick, you should read this story about Pitt and how their angst about Jamie Dixon has led to his departure and a significant downturn in the program.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketb...j4vipiz0yt

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I really like this team, and I think it is Mick's best. But I think we should take caution in some of the "this is the year" talk. I think some people are being blinded by the win streak and gaudy record. This team has truly not been tested yet. The Iowa St win is turning out to be a not so great win anymore. XU was a good win, but it was at home and XU lost 4 of 6. The SMU win was a good win, and they are probably a top 15 team. But that game was also at home and the Cats shot 46% from 3 pt range. You can't count on that. UC lost almost every other valuable stat (rebounds, points in paint, turnovers, etc) in that game. Let's see how they handle that same SMU team at their place, then again on a neutral floor in the AAC tourney.

Is this the year they get to Sweet 16 or maybe Elite 8? Very possible. Is this a Final Four team? Way too untested to tell.

(02-03-2017 12:03 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Very good article.

A question for the board: how far would we have to advance to move the meter on a national scale? The reason I ask that is I would argue Gonzaga gets a lot more national respect than we do yet they have never been to a Final Four and have one Elite 8 and Two Sweet Sixteens since 2000 (which just happened in the past two seasons). I have to think we need at least an Elite 8 run to get "more love".

What say you?

Great example with Gonzaga. They have about as much tradition as X, which in my book is nearly none. My definition of tradition is a high bar though: a combination of national championships or championship games, Final Fours and national players of the year (more than one).

No doubt an Elite 8 for UC this year gets the job done. I think a Sweet Sixteen this season followed by an Elite 8 or better next year really moves UC back into the discussion too. It means better TV matchups against elite programs, more visibility and more blue chip recruits so it can become self-sustaining for the program.

I love to hear about "next year's team" and what's coming but let's win now. X folks were all into "next year" when they were winning big in regular season last year. Dismissals, transfers, injuries; there are too many variables to predict next year. Carpe Diem. Go 'Cats.

Hopefully being around the '92 guys this weekend can give them added motivation. Seeing the bond that team had and hearing them talk about the experience may give them a late season shot in the arm.

(02-03-2017 01:21 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  I really like this team, and I think it is Mick's best. But I think we should take caution in some of the "this is the year" talk. I think some people are being blinded by the win streak and gaudy record. This team has truly not been tested yet. The Iowa St win is turning out to be a not so great win anymore. XU was a good win, but it was at home and XU lost 4 of 6. The SMU win was a good win, and they are probably a top 15 team. But that game was also at home and the Cats shot 46% from 3 pt range. You can't count on that. UC lost almost every other valuable stat (rebounds, points in paint, turnovers, etc) in that game. Let's see how they handle that same SMU team at their place, then again on a neutral floor in the AAC tourney.

Is this the year they get to Sweet 16 or maybe Elite 8? Very possible. Is this a Final Four team? Way too untested to tell.

You're spot on. I think the biggest reason I am excited about this team is that if it gets on a hot streak, it could advance very deep in the tournament. For past Cronin teams, I always felt they'd have to go on a hot streak to survive the first weekend of the tournament.

(02-03-2017 12:06 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Hit the nail on the head. We have a great program. But the reason most fans are salty is no love in March. How long must we endure this punishment? The WVU banked 3's and the dunks still on the finger tips at the buzzers? The broken legs and the teams that ran out of gas down the stretch. UCONN beating us every fuckin time in March.

It's gettin' old people. Our time is now.

You forgot Iowa State tackling Darnell Burton out of bounds and Burton being charged with stepping on the end line instead.

(02-03-2017 02:21 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 12:06 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Hit the nail on the head. We have a great program. But the reason most fans are salty is no love in March. How long must we endure this punishment? The WVU banked 3's and the dunks still on the finger tips at the buzzers? The broken legs and the teams that ran out of gas down the stretch. UCONN beating us every fuckin time in March.

It's gettin' old people. Our time is now.

You forgot Iowa State tackling Darnell Burton out of bounds and Burton being charged with stepping on the end line instead.

My stomach gets in knots just hearing the CBS March Madness theme music. Surely a reversal of fortunes is long overdue.

(02-03-2017 02:21 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 12:06 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Hit the nail on the head. We have a great program. But the reason most fans are salty is no love in March. How long must we endure this punishment? The WVU banked 3's and the dunks still on the finger tips at the buzzers? The broken legs and the teams that ran out of gas down the stretch. UCONN beating us every fuckin time in March.

It's gettin' old people. Our time is now.

You forgot Iowa State tackling Darnell Burton out of bounds and Burton being charged with stepping on the end line instead.

Was that it? In my head I remember it called as a travel...regardless it was definitely a hard one to stomach

(02-03-2017 02:49 PM)Teakwood Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 02:21 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 12:06 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Hit the nail on the head. We have a great program. But the reason most fans are salty is no love in March. How long must we endure this punishment? The WVU banked 3's and the dunks still on the finger tips at the buzzers? The broken legs and the teams that ran out of gas down the stretch. UCONN beating us every fuckin time in March.

It's gettin' old people. Our time is now.

You forgot Iowa State tackling Darnell Burton out of bounds and Burton being charged with stepping on the end line instead.

Was that it? In my head I remember it called as a travel...regardless it was definitely a hard one to stomach

It was a travel.

^^ Burton was charged with a travel

UC under Mick....just win, baby.

There's really not much to say with respect to the program. Truly great coaches win when it matters most. At least some of the time. That has yet to be the case here. Hoping for a different outcome this year.



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