(02-01-2017 12:28 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 12:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 12:21 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  There's nothing liberal about the Elizabeth Warren's and Bernie Sanders of the Democratic Party. Socialism and Liberalism are complete opposites. I see very few true liberals in the democratic party. Liberalism in the US is dying. Coin Democrats by their proper terms: socialist or progressives. As a student of political science, I finding it as an insult of my intelligence that Hillary Clinton is referred as a liberal. That idiot is no liberal. F*ck off with this sh*t.

I personally prefer to refer to myself as a progressive.

More like regressive.

A regressive is someone who wants to take America back. Hmmm what party was it that wanted to do that?

(02-01-2017 12:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 12:21 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  There's nothing liberal about the Elizabeth Warren's and Bernie Sanders of the Democratic Party. Socialism and Liberalism are complete opposites. I see very few true liberals in the democratic party. Liberalism in the US is dying. Coin Democrats by their proper terms: socialist or progressives. As a student of political science, I finding it as an insult of my intelligence that Hillary Clinton is referred as a liberal. That idiot is no liberal. F*ck off with this sh*t.

I personally prefer to refer to myself as a progressive.

Progressive must mean supports a losing political party and alienates moderates in its current usage

(02-01-2017 12:56 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Those of us on the right have always been saying that liberals don't really understand the meaning of the word based on their ideology goals. It is merely a misnomer that we have all accepted as the appropriate label. In reality, the current Democrat party is nothing more than progressives and socialists. The loud, vocal, and well paid large minority of the party is socialist. The party is being run as a socialist party. If you go back and look at the propaganda and read books and articles from 1900 and on, it is the same arguments for the Democrat party today. If they changed the name to the Democrat Workers/Peoples Party, no one would bat an eye.

Except that the vast majority of politicos that run it don't give a sh!t about the "workers/people". Kind of like in Russia where the politburo members got along fairly well and everyone else lived rather miserably........ that's where today's Democrat party leaders are trying to go.

(02-01-2017 01:01 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 12:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 12:21 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  There's nothing liberal about the Elizabeth Warren's and Bernie Sanders of the Democratic Party. Socialism and Liberalism are complete opposites. I see very few true liberals in the democratic party. Liberalism in the US is dying. Coin Democrats by their proper terms: socialist or progressives. As a student of political science, I finding it as an insult of my intelligence that Hillary Clinton is referred as a liberal. That idiot is no liberal. F*ck off with this sh*t.

I personally prefer to refer to myself as a progressive.

Progressive must means supports a losing political party and alienates moderates in its current usage

My views have nothing to do with a political party and thus it matters not to me whether or not a political party is winning or losing.

I care more about whether or not the people who claim to believe in their values show consistency in furthering what they value or if they simply follow a party line.

As you can see in this forum day after day, the vast majority of people do not have a value system and instead follow whatever their team does.

They remind me of Cowboy fans.

(02-01-2017 01:03 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 12:56 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Those of us on the right have always been saying that liberals don't really understand the meaning of the word based on their ideology goals. It is merely a misnomer that we have all accepted as the appropriate label. In reality, the current Democrat party is nothing more than progressives and socialists. The loud, vocal, and well paid large minority of the party is socialist. The party is being run as a socialist party. If you go back and look at the propaganda and read books and articles from 1900 and on, it is the same arguments for the Democrat party today. If they changed the name to the Democrat Workers/Peoples Party, no one would bat an eye.

Except that the vast majority of politicos that run it don't give a sh!t about the "workers/people". Kind of like in Russia where the politburo members got along fairly well and everyone else lived rather miserably........ that's where today's Democrat party leaders are trying to go.

Exactly. The left is always about misnomers. It's like the people running around calling people fascists, but then advocate safe spaces.

Dems are Statists. They want the State/Government to enforce their political views on everyone.
And it is enforced via a victimology hierarchy. Muslims, gays, some blacks, hispanics and women should have more rights than others.

In the politic sense, the Progressive movement is not a new phenomena. The original Progressive movement began in the 1880s. These Progressives wanted a thorough transformation in America’s principles of government, from a government permanently dedicated to securing individual liberty to one whose ends and scope would change to take on any and all social and economic ills. The very notion of the term "Progressivism" is that America would not accept full blown Socialism all at once, but that elements of it would be progressively introduced drip by drip until our form of government became full blown socialism.

Per Chegg:

"Liberalism is a broad political ideology that emphasizes liberty and equality. While it encompasses a diverse range of views, common liberal ideas place value on constitutions, democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, free trade, and the separation of church and state. Liberal internationalism is a doctrine that believes that states should intervene in other nations' affairs in order to promote liberal objectives, and liberal internationalists are dedicated to the advancement of global democracy. This approach is at odds with that of political realism. In the 19th and 20th centuries, liberalism contributed to the elimination of slavery, the replacement of monarchies with constitutional governments, and the establishment of international organizations such as the United Nations."

(02-01-2017 01:18 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Per Chegg:

"Liberalism is a broad political ideology that emphasizes liberty and equality. While it encompasses a diverse range of views, common liberal ideas place value on constitutions, democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, free trade, and the separation of church and state. Liberal internationalism is a doctrine that believes that states should intervene in other nations' affairs in order to promote liberal objectives, and liberal internationalists are dedicated to the advancement of global democracy. This approach is at odds with that of political realism. In the 19th and 20th centuries, liberalism contributed to the elimination of slavery, the replacement of monarchies with constitutional governments, and the establishment of international organizations such as the United Nations."

Classic Liberalism vs. Modern Liberalism. Classic Liberalism is more akin to Libertarian Conservatism, found in pockets of both the Republican Party (ie. Rand Paul) and the Libertarian Party (Bill Weld).

I don't know about you but I like to refer to them as the Demon-cratic party and its followers as Satans Own. They ARE really that evil. Everything that is evil is promoted by their ilk. They bleed for a woman on her death bed that died one day before the vetting EO but don't give a dang about all the veterans who served to protect their sorry S's. Those veterans can die.

They cry about that mojado that killed Kate in San Francisco after being deported 6 times but could care less about Kate and her family who lost her.

They cry for those women who can't get abortions but don't care if a baby is killed while doing an abortion.

They cry about homosexuals not being able to buy a cake from a Christian but celebrate an establishment in Hawai'i because they won't serve Republicans.

Whew, there's more. They are truly evil. If it's evil, it's okay for the Demon-crappy party.

Democrats, liberals, progressives, radicals, leftists......all peas in the same pod as far as most of America is concerned. Just listen to the comments by those running to be the head of the DNC. All you have to do.

[quote][quote='olliebaba' pid='14052904' dateline='1485973769']
I don't know about you but I like to refer to them as the Demon-cratic party and its followers as Satans Own. They ARE really that evil. Everything that is evil is promoted by their ilk. They bleed for a woman on her death bed that died one day before the vetting EO but don't give a dang about all the veterans who served to protect their sorry S's. Those veterans can die. [/quote]

If conservatives didn't send those soldiers to fight unnecessary wars , perhaps we wouldn't have to protect so many of them.

[quote]They cry about that mojado that killed Kate in San Francisco after being deported 6 times but could care less about Kate and her family who lost her. [/quote]

"The mojado" for those of you that don't know means "wetback" which is a derogatory world equivalent to the "N" word. The "mojado" was deported 6 times. Not sure what else they could have done with him.

[quote]They cry for those women who can't get abortions but don't care if a baby is killed while doing an abortion. [/quote]

Perhaps if conservatives showed that they cared about the baby after they were born as much as they care about them before it is born, more woman would choose not to have an abortion.


[quote]They cry about homosexuals not being able to buy a cake from a Christian but celebrate an establishment in Hawai'i because they won't serve Republicans.[/quote]

Anyone who decides to serve the public should be willing to serve everyone. Especially something that they can't hide like their sexual orientation unlike their political affiliation.

Fit, their own people refer to those that cross the river mojados. You know that. Don't be a hypocrite. If I knew you I would bet that at one time or more, you referred to them as such. My brother and I even kid each other by calling each other that.

It's a word that only us Mexicans can use, like Blacks call each other the N-word and even the same Liberal celebrities do that to each other. Or do you deny it.

To my Spin room posters only Fit and I can do that, okay?

(02-01-2017 01:30 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Democrats, liberals, progressives, radicals, leftists......all peas in the same pod as far as most of America is concerned. Just listen to the comments by those running to be the head of the DNC. All you have to do.

Well-meaning, classical liberals (Dave Rubin, Christina Hoff-Sommers, and Sargon are some that I enjoy following) should not be lumped in with regressives and leftists. We may disagree with them on some social issues, but we are winning them over en masse because they are realizing there is no place for them in the modern Democratic party.

(02-01-2017 01:40 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Fit, their own people refer to those that cross the river mojados. You know that. Don't be a hypocrite. If I knew you I would bet that at one time or more, you referred to them as such. My brother and I even kid each other by calling each other that.

It's a word that only us Mexicans can use, like Blacks call each other the N-word and even the same Liberal celebrities do that to each other. Or do you deny it.

To my Spin room posters only Fit and I can do that, okay?

Well at least you have proven without a doubt that you also consider it as bad as the "N" word.

If you and your brother are comfortable calling each other that, that's cool.

I don't use that word.

(02-01-2017 12:30 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  And that's the problem with modern politics. The closest thing to true liberals in politics today is the liberty wing of the Republican Party: the Justin Amash's and Rand Paul's.

I congratulate President Trump for nominating a conservative jurist with outstanding credentials and experience to the Supreme Court.
-- @RandPaul

CAPITULATION

(02-01-2017 02:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 01:40 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Fit, their own people refer to those that cross the river mojados. You know that. Don't be a hypocrite. If I knew you I would bet that at one time or more, you referred to them as such. My brother and I even kid each other by calling each other that.

It's a word that only us Mexicans can use, like Blacks call each other the N-word and even the same Liberal celebrities do that to each other. Or do you deny it.

To my Spin room posters only Fit and I can do that, okay?

Well at least you have proven without a doubt that you also consider it as bad as the "N" word.

If you and your brother are comfortable calling each other that, that's cool.

I don't use that word.

Good for you. Remember, the priest takes confessions on saturdays.

My wife and his wife don't like it either and like Flynn just did to the Iranians, we've been placed on notice. They can't let guys be guys.

This is so true. Sometimes I tell her what my friends and I sometimes say to each other and she's flabbergasted. I can't seem to make her see that guys are way different than women where they walk on egg shells and we don't.

(02-01-2017 12:21 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  There's nothing liberal about the Elizabeth Warren's and Bernie Sanders of the Democratic Party. Socialism and Liberalism are complete opposites. I see very few true liberals in the democratic party. Liberalism in the US is dying. Coin Democrats by their proper terms: socialist or progressives. As a student of political science, I finding it as an insult of my intelligence that Hillary Clinton is referred as a liberal. That idiot is no liberal. F*ck off with this sh*t.

Actually, they are not really democrats. That current party just stole the name.

Blue collar democrats are now largely moderate independents.

(02-01-2017 01:09 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Exactly. The left is always about misnomers. It's like the people running around calling people fascists, but then advocate safe spaces.

the left is about projection ...
accuse you of what ails them ...

WHO ME

Progressive is an old title.

If that's what they want to call themselves then fine. It is becoming a dirtier word than liberal.

We live in an age of populism, and I love it.