Or a transfer.

4,864 was the mens crowd although it appeared larger than the BG crowd. The upper deck was pretty consistently full. Thought they would anounce near 6,000. Did we split the womens and mens crowd? The women may have had the same in the lower bowl, but the top was no where near the mens game. Just my thoughts.

(01-29-2017 04:03 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  4,864 was the mens crowd although it appeared larger than the BG crowd. The upper deck was pretty consistently full. Thought they would anounce near 6,000. Did we split the womens and mens crowd? The women may have had the same in the lower bowl, but the top was no where near the mens game. Just my thoughts.

I was there and also thought the crowd was larger than the one for the BG game. Was surprised to see a number under 5,000 as the official attendance...but then again, we haven't had great crowds for most home games so maybe it just looked that much larger by comparison?

(01-29-2017 04:11 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 04:03 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  4,864 was the mens crowd although it appeared larger than the BG crowd. The upper deck was pretty consistently full. Thought they would anounce near 6,000. Did we split the womens and mens crowd? The women may have had the same in the lower bowl, but the top was no where near the mens game. Just my thoughts.

I was there and also thought the crowd was larger than the one for the BG game. Was surprised to see a number under 5,000 as the official attendance...but then again, we haven't had great crowds for most home games so maybe it just looked that much larger by comparison?

I agree-crowd was larger yesterday.

Late FT misses can be fatigue from too many minutes.

Wish this program looked like it was growing but I feel it is definitely not. Inconsistent recruiting that depends on transfers, staff turnover beyond normal, developing talent randomly...8 years is enough time to put "your system" in place even with the dumpster fire TK was handed. Really inconsistent play...you are tied for the division lead, at home and just no heart. Wish it were different for sure.

(01-29-2017 10:46 PM)rocket 51 Wrote:  Late FT misses can be fatigue from too many minutes.

Wish this program looked like it was growing but I feel it is definitely not. Inconsistent recruiting that depends on transfers, staff turnover beyond normal, developing talent randomly...8 years is enough time to put "your system" in place even with the dumpster fire TK was handed. Really inconsistent play...you are tied for the division lead, at home and just no heart. Wish it were different for sure.

The way I see it is

Good: Team competes with best in the MAC, consistently pretty efficient on offense, conducts themselves w sportsmanship on the court and is better than most at handling classwork and being decent people in the university community, rarely look overmatched by an opponent, classes are pretty balanced no bad/down years so far under TK

Bad: Never had a team that seems to play beyond it's talent or with unique effort and hustle, no team has peaked late since the second year of TK, rarely put a defense on the court that is disruptive, good recruiting of transfers has covered up inconsistent recruiting of high school kids, staff now is as stable as it's been under TK

Future: Best home schedule in a while next year, 2 impact transfers (top100 kid and a top300 kid) and several good looking frosh, 3 good young players coming back, plenty of size and athleticism

Navigato needs to hit shots to be on the floor... We had too many bad posessions because of bad three point shooting in the first 10 minutes of the second half against NIU. I like our teams chances in a tourney for a the pure reason that we CAN shoot well... but there are teams like CMU, and WMU that do score more than us. We know our D will give up big shooting days as well. Will we be able to keep up with even the average offenses in a 4 game run?

We are pretty fun to watch, and will be better when Garber can play again.... but It may be a while. The guy is in a boot and scooters around campus. Muscles weakening and not being on the court for a month+ more will hurt him.

Even if we are a 5-9 seed I can see us making a run. I can also see us missing shots and playing like we did against Kent State.

(01-30-2017 02:04 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Navigato needs to hit shots to be on the floor... We had too many bad posessions because of bad three point shooting in the first 10 minutes of the second half against NIU. I like our teams chances in a tourney for a the pure reason that we CAN shoot well... but there are teams like CMU, and WMU that do score more than us. We know our D will give up big shooting days as well. Will we be able to keep up with even the average offenses in a 4 game run?

We are pretty fun to watch, and will be better when Garber can play again.... but It may be a while. The guy is in a boot and scooters around campus. Muscles weakening and not being on the court for a month+ more will hurt him.

Even if we are a 5-9 seed I can see us making a run. I can also see us missing shots and playing like we did against Kent State.

good comments UofToledoFans. Yes, Navigato needs to score to be a plus on the floor. Basically, this team being good comes down to 4 things.
1) consistently get the ball to Steve Taylor in the flow of the offense
2) Jonjon and Navigato are patient and trust their teammates will find them for good looks. We are a totally different team when they relax and are opportunistic instead of anxious.
3) Jalen Sanford lets loose
4) We play consistently hard on defense and the defensive glass. I have given up on expecting a TK rockets team to win games with defense. We just can't lose them badly on that end.
Do these things and we are as scary as anyone in Cleveland. Will be 1 n done, if not.

Garber, since he had so much explosion and bounce to burn prior to the injury, I'm sure he won't miss a step... will be good to have him on the boards tho

We don't have the depth for a 4-game run, even if Garber comes back. When guys like Roberts & Adway hit the floor, it's not close to being an even swap for whomever they are replacing in the game. If we make it past the first game or 2 in the tournament, our guys will be running on fumes, like we were late against NIU, and that will ultimately take its toll. Depth could be better next season, particularly if TK can sign a "thicker" Big so that Knapke doesn't have to play all of his minutes in the low post.

This One Step Forward One Step Back Group Post has been some of the best analysis of the Men's Basketball Team I've read this season. Pretty much spot on to what I see are the positives and negatives of our individual players, coaches and team. I'm going to hold further judgment until I see how the season plays out. The key is going to be staying within striking distance of earning a 1st round home game or bye to Cleveland the next 6 games, as we have 3 of our last 4 games at home.

Even if Toledo can break out and play against type by actually play their best ball of the year at tournament time I don't give them any great chance this year. Although they appear capable of beating (or losing to) any MAC team on a given night, without a high seed and a bye, I agree with Bcunn that they don't have either the bench depth or the stamina to make a deep tournament run because it is just too physically demanding for them.

I'd like to explain why I remain a strong supporter of Coach K. I was not alive during any of the Bob Nichols years. My memories as a UT men's bball fan are three coaches: Stan Joplin, Gene Cross, and Coach K. As a result, Joplin and Coach K are the best UT bball coaches in my lifetime. I only have Gene Cross to compare them to, so I have more positive feelings toward Coach K than many of you who have experienced greater success as UT bball fans.

(01-30-2017 07:23 PM)RocketBBallFan Wrote:  I'd like to explain why I remain a strong supporter of Coach K. I was not alive during any of the Bob Nichols years. My memories as a UT men's bball fan are three coaches: Stan Joplin, Gene Cross, and Coach K. As a result, Joplin and Coach K are the best UT bball coaches in my lifetime. I only have Gene Cross to compare them to, so I have more positive feelings toward Coach K than many of you who have experienced greater success as UT bball fans.

Hey, no need for justifications, RocketBBallFan. Should be plenty of room on this Board for various opinions. For myself, my pessimism about the current state of the program isn't a reflection of an overall negative view of TK. Not much would make me happier than to see him reach continued success here, but I think the clock has been wound if it isn't ticking already.