(02-06-2017 11:04 AM)p23570 Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 05:54 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 04:32 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 04:24 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:03 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I don't think anyone deserves to be mistreated. But like him I don't feel sorry for stupidity just because it does not have male genitals.

Anyone who walks into a club, bar, or whatever knows every single guy is in there for one reason. If you walk in there knowing that and dress half naked and get drunk what happens after that is your fault. I dumped my X for this very reason. She could not logically come to the conclusion that this is not "having fun" this is poking a snake in it's face until it bites you.

Yeah, you're a d*** too. I guess you weren't raised to believe that you shouldn't rape a woman no matter how drunk she is.

well he has a point.

Everyone is taught that rape is wrong, but the facts of the matter (just like the gun free zones argument), is that people that commit immoral and criminal actions don't follow those rules.

When a woman goes into a situation wearing sexy clothes knowing that guys get stupid drunk they are putting themselves into a high risk situation. They are drawing a target on themselves.

Did you really just post that woman should watch what they wear? Good lord.

Yes they should. More and more we are seeing the most erotic parts of women's bodies being shown on national TV and in public places. Skirts that show upper inner thigh, low cut shirts which show half a breast. This is all meant to attract mens sexual attention. Combine that clothing with alcohol along with 20 year olds who are flying on testosterone and it is a recipe for disaster.

Yup and Joe Mixon shouldn't have gotten in trouble for punching that girl, she clearly asked for it.

Quote:Did you really just post that woman should watch what they wear? Good lord.

Yeah, that argument really doesn't fit. Because a girl doesn't have to dress like an (actual) hooker to get jumped on and raped. Any attractive wear will likely suffice that you'll find worn in family-oriented venues. It's just the gal being notably attractive (and many times even THAT isn't required). And even if a gal's wearing something purposely sexy -- so? It's Everywhere when going out in social environments. So the argument holds no water.

The only rare instances I could see where this Type of argument could even be considered for a second: A girl, many times not so Naturally great looking, but has a huge chest, and is wearing something that is making them POP OUT sooo ridiculous that it'll make a whole room stop on a dime (with many, it being a "WTF is she thinking?!" reaction), as even Walmart would kick her out. NOT the same as a hottie dolled up walking in a room. So unless it's that, there's no argument for lack-of-sympathy to be applied. And even Then, such a slight lack of sympathy doesn't make it any more "understandable" to Any small degree for a guy to physically assault her.

(02-06-2017 03:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  She played a major role? That means she did something wrong. Wearing a certain type of clothing isn't grounds to be raped.

Just out of curiosity, where is the line for you?

In terms of, if someone says "well she wore that dress, and that probably increased the likelihood of being assaulted", fine, but if they say "well she wore that dress, so she had it coming", that's wrong.

(02-05-2017 09:03 AM)AntiG Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 06:37 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 04:53 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 04:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 04:32 PM)AntiG Wrote:  well he has a point.

Everyone is taught that rape is wrong, but the facts of the matter (just like the gun free zones argument), is that people that commit immoral and criminal actions don't follow those rules.

When a woman goes into a situation wearing sexy clothes knowing that guys get stupid drunk they are putting themselves into a high risk situation. They are drawing a target on themselves.

So a women dressed a certain way is at fault for being raped? No, he doesn't have a point. He has a disgusting view of the world and women. Why isn't the fault laid at the feet of the man who rapes her? Why do we hold women to higher standards? Why are men so weak to NOT be able to control themselves? F that! You'd be singing a different tune if it's your daughter who gets drugged and raped by a group of football players.

Well obviously the person that committed the crime is at fault. The point he made (using poor wording) was about putting yourself in a high risk situation in the first place.

These are facts:
- Men are generally stronger than women.
- Drunken people have a very high tendency to not follow inhibitions and rules.
- Dressing in revealing clothes increase lust in men.

Knowing those facts, and deciding to enter into this situation creates a high level of risk.

While its not her fault and she shouldn't be blamed for being victimized, it ultimately was her own decisions that put her into that situation and women in general as a rule need to recognize and realize these risks. The world is not a bubble - if a non-black man goes to an area with a lot of black people wearing a sign "I Hate N's" (I'm sure someone will know this reference) you should expect to get beat down. If you go to Aleppo on vacation, you can't have an expectation of safety. If you walk on the highway, you can't expect every car to stop in time to avoid hitting you. This is the reality of it all - regardless that the rules are to follow them, people break rules, especially when under the influence of alcohol. It doesn't justify it, nor should it, but putting yourself in a high risk situation ultimately will come back to being your own fault because you made the conscious decision to put yourself in that dangerous situation. That's the point that was derived from what he said.

So a woman getting drunk while wearing slightly revealing cloths is the same as a white person calling a black person the N word? WTF is wrong with you? You really are a ****** person.

You are still missing the point here due to being unable to get past your emotions. Again, "whose fault it is" is meaningless. The issue that is being made that you are directly toying with a high risk situation. In the end once you take the emotional and moral aspects away, it's the same thing: the bait gets taken by the shark. In an ideal world, a woman should wear what they want and the men should not overstep their boundaries. But what happens? Rape. Why? Because we don't live in an ideal world. Taking on risk has consequences.

So a woman drinking at a bar is a high-risk situation?

What a ****** up view of the world you and your fellow rape apologists have. Disgusting, sickening. **** all of you.

(02-06-2017 03:38 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 03:17 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  No one deserves to get raped or even "taken advantage of without their consent" just for dressing a certain way.

If that's true .... then what do you propose??

(02-06-2017 03:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 03:17 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  You're going overboard. No one deserves to get raped or even "taken advantage of without their consent" just for dressing a certain way. That said, I wish all parties would be culpable and we wouldn't have to hear all these sob stories about how a girl got raped when she played a major role in the events.

She played a major role? That means she did something wrong. Wearing a certain type of clothing isn't grounds to be raped. Yes, you are laying blame on the victim which is a ****** thing to do.

You need to get out and experience life if you don't think some of these girls bring certain consequences on themselves. My condolences if you're close to someone who has been raped but with that said, a number of these girls not only dress certain ways in a party setting (i.e. a place where every guy there is looking to get laid) but they also drink to the point they can't even remember everything. They can't even clearly remember if they said it was okay for a guy to do horizontal jumping jack's with them. Sorry, you do lose sympathy if you add to the problem. Because of what I pointed out, there is a legit question as to whether or not it was rape or if the sex was consentual. How can you trust the word of someone who has a hazy memory, who likely had sex with someone who also had a hazy memory?

If you think otherwise, you're really stubborn or out of touch, if not both.

As for MlpsBison, I don't get your point.

(02-06-2017 03:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 03:17 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  You're going overboard. No one deserves to get raped or even "taken advantage of without their consent" just for dressing a certain way. That said, I wish all parties would be culpable and we wouldn't have to hear all these sob stories about how a girl got raped when she played a major role in the events.

She played a major role? That means she did something wrong. Wearing a certain type of clothing isn't grounds to be raped. Yes, you are laying blame on the victim which is a ****** thing to do.

He said that sickening **** in the first post.

Ah, a rape value scale. Got it.

Life doesn't fit as cleanly into risk reduction methods as the insurance industry likes to project.

Reading some of these posts, I'm sure a little avoidance would go a long way. So far, in fact, we'd probably still be living in caves.

(02-06-2017 04:17 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  So a woman drinking at a bar is a high-risk situation?

I don't think there's anything wrong with being honest and acknowledging that every moment we're alive, even if unbeknownst to us, risks of this or that happening are constantly going up or down.

The actions we take or don't take, ripple outwards and affect the possibility of everything happening, even if to an infinitesimal degree.

This is just physics.

(02-06-2017 04:17 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I don't get your point.

You just said, even though this or that, she did not deserve it.

So, if she didn't deserve it, what is your complaint? What would you have liked to see differently, in response?

(02-06-2017 04:17 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  So a woman drinking at a bar is a high-risk situation?

What a ****** up view of the world you and your fellow rape apologists have. Disgusting, sickening. **** all of you.

Rape apologist my behind. You can't trust a girl just because she claims rape. We're not talking about brute, unconsentual forced rape, we're not talking about date rape. We're not even necessarily talking about a girl who is found passed out and then taken advantage of.

Let's look at it another way: two party goers have a blast and then get ready to do the deed. She's all systems go, likely with a guy who has a cocktail that's functioning better than his brain. Suddenly she wakes up and later figures out she had intercourse when she didn't want to in retrospect, pulls out the rape kit and incriminates the guy whom she had consentual sex with. Now tell me who should draw the ire of that situation? Not the guy from where I'm standing. And his record and reputation gets messed up because all anyone is gonna see him as is a rapist when in reality he had consentual sex with a drunk, horny slut.

(02-06-2017 04:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 03:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 03:17 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  You're going overboard. No one deserves to get raped or even "taken advantage of without their consent" just for dressing a certain way. That said, I wish all parties would be culpable and we wouldn't have to hear all these sob stories about how a girl got raped when she played a major role in the events.

She played a major role? That means she did something wrong. Wearing a certain type of clothing isn't grounds to be raped. Yes, you are laying blame on the victim which is a ****** thing to do.

He said that sickening **** in the first post.

Yes, a girl can play a major role in a situation described as rape, wake the hell up. In turn, I don't know what's wrong with some of you. Before you assume it's rape in the traditional sense, think twice.

(02-06-2017 04:56 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Let's look at it another way: two party goers have a blast and then get ready to do the deed. She's all systems go, likely with a guy who has a cocktail that's functioning better than his brain. Suddenly she wakes up and later figures out she had intercourse when she didn't want to in retrospect, pulls out the rape kit and incriminates the guy whom she had consentual sex with. Now tell me who should draw the ire of that situation? Not the guy from where I'm standing. And his record and reputation gets messed up because all anyone is gonna see him as is a rapist when in reality he had consentual sex with a drunk, horny slut.

Just to play devil's advocate:

what if the girl seems like she's good to go, she never technically said yes, but she also never said no and she isn't physically resisting. But on the inside, she's wants to say no but is too scared. Is that unfair, in your opinion, to the guy?

(02-06-2017 04:17 PM)_MlpsBison_ Wrote:  You just said, even though this or that, she did not deserve it.

So, if she didn't deserve it, what is your complaint? What would you have liked to see differently, in response?

I was just pointing out that a girl dressing a certain way is no excuse for rape and ridiculous as an argument to another poster. I made this argument partially elsewhere but it was just part of the whole.

(02-06-2017 05:03 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 04:56 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Let's look at it another way: two party goers have a blast and then get ready to do the deed. She's all systems go, likely with a guy who has a cocktail that's functioning better than his brain. Suddenly she wakes up and later figures out she had intercourse when she didn't want to in retrospect, pulls out the rape kit and incriminates the guy whom she had consentual sex with. Now tell me who should draw the ire of that situation? Not the guy from where I'm standing. And his record and reputation gets messed up because all anyone is gonna see him as is a rapist when in reality he had consentual sex with a drunk, horny slut.

Just to play devil's advocate:

what if the girl seems like she's good to go, she never technically said yes, but she also never said no and she isn't physically resisting. But on the inside, she's wants to say no but is too scared. Is that unfair, in your opinion, to the guy?

That's for the courts to decide but proves my point that it's not as easy and black and white as saying rape is rape. I've heard of men having their lives ruined over bogus rape charges, so if supposedly making excuses makes me an apologist, then so be it.

Actually C2, I think you're on the same page as most everyone else.

It seems to me, that this is your viewpoint:

- someone is capable of putting him/herself into a situation where a sexual assault is more likely than normal
- no one deserves to be raped, even if he/she put him/herself into a situation where a sexual assault is more likely than normal

- just because someone alleges rape, does not mean a rape occurred. And it is wrong for the public to automatically assume that the allegations are true.
- but if a rape did occur, then you think that is a terrible thing, regardless of the circumstances of the rape and if it was a violent rape or not

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(02-06-2017 05:37 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Actually C2, I think you're on the same page as most everyone else.

It seems to me, that this is your viewpoint:

- someone is capable of putting him/herself into a situation where a sexual assault is more likely than normal
- no one deserves to be raped, even if he/she put him/herself into a situation where a sexual assault is more likely than normal

- just because someone alleges rape, does not mean a rape occurred. And it is wrong for the public to automatically assume that the allegations are true.
- but if a rape did occur, then you think that is a terrible thing, regardless of the circumstances of the rape and if it was a violent rape or not

But again, it depends on the definition of rape. As long as it's clear and not some he said/she said mess.

And then there's this.

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/police/bayl...l?mode=jqm

(02-06-2017 10:27 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 10:25 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  And then there's this.

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/police/bayl...l?mode=jqm

For some reason your pics aren't showing up

Yeah, Baylor is REALLY trying hard to clean up their act, huh?

"On Monday, the Waco Trib reported that [RECENTLY hired] Baylor strength coach Brandon Washington was arrested early Saturday morning in a prostitution sting. He has been released on bail and fired from his job at Baylor."

http://www.yardbarker.com/college_footba...n=20170207

This was NOT one of the guys coaching during the Briles scandal, but rather, someone Baylor had hired to replace those guys. Lesson learned? I think not.

(02-07-2017 12:34 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 10:27 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 10:25 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  And then there's this.

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/police/bayl...l?mode=jqm

For some reason your pics aren't showing up

Apparently that tweet was deleted although it was similar to this

https://twitter.com/BaylorBearmada/statu...8208460800