None. U of Montana did very similar things just a couple years ago and essentially got nothing for punishment. They were even deemed "America's Rape Capital" at one point.

(01-29-2017 09:58 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  So the NCAA should not be involved when athletes commit crimes and the program and the athletic department and the school cover it up?

Committing a criminal act is a crime. Covering up a crime is a crime.

Criminals need to be dealt with .... by law enforcement and legal authority. The school should expel criminals and fire criminals.


None of that is or should ever be the NCAA's place.

They would certianly deserve the death penalty and getting kicked out of the Big12 but those moves require courage and ethics from the people at the top...
Meanwhile NC is strolling along...

(01-29-2017 12:02 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 09:58 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  So the NCAA should not be involved when athletes commit crimes and the program and the athletic department and the school cover it up?

Committing a criminal act is a crime. Covering up a crime is a crime.

Criminals need to be dealt with .... by law enforcement and legal authority. The school should expel criminals and fire criminals.


None of that is or should ever be the NCAA's place.

I beleive the NCAA already made their decision in the Penn St case where if the coverups are instuntiinslized then it is also an NCAA issue...

(01-29-2017 10:30 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Perhaps the NCAA might not be involved, but a bigger punishment could come from the Federal Government. No Federally backed scholarships or aid for a specific amount of time because of the wholesale assault on women and Baylor's part in this horrific mess. That would be far and away more damaging to the University than having football scholarships taken away.

Or parents decide to stop sending their sons and daughters to Baylor.

Zero.

But Mary Hardin-Baylor should be shaking with fear.

(01-29-2017 10:30 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Perhaps the NCAA might not be involved, but a bigger punishment could come from the Federal Government.

Our federal government? There's a better chance of the goddess Freya alighting from Asgard and smiting them with her fiery sword.

It's in our hands. You attend a game of your school vs. Baylor, you are giving tacit approval to their cult of rape.

(01-29-2017 01:57 PM)58-56 Wrote:  It's in our hands. You attend a game of your school vs. Baylor, you are giving tacit approval to their cult of rape.

Scheduling them in the future, yes. We're stuck with some of those past contracts.

The Rice MOB made their statement about the apparent lack of institutional control in our game with the Bears last September, and Baylor complained. That was all I needed to know.

(01-29-2017 01:57 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 10:30 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Perhaps the NCAA might not be involved, but a bigger punishment could come from the Federal Government.

Our federal government? There's a better chance of the goddess Freya alighting from Asgard and smiting them with her fiery sword.

It's in our hands. You attend a game of your school vs. Baylor, you are giving tacit approval to their cult of rape.

So is the same true for other schools fans who attend games like PSU and Louisville?

(01-29-2017 12:11 PM)00yyz Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 12:02 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 09:58 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  So the NCAA should not be involved when athletes commit crimes and the program and the athletic department and the school cover it up?

Committing a criminal act is a crime. Covering up a crime is a crime.

Criminals need to be dealt with .... by law enforcement and legal authority. The school should expel criminals and fire criminals.


None of that is or should ever be the NCAA's place.

I beleive the NCAA already made their decision in the Penn St case where if the coverups are instuntiinslized then it is also an NCAA issue...

The NCAA should not supplant the legal system. Lots of athletes commit crimes and the NCAA, rightfully, does not get involved. The fact that the school knew about it and the number of incidents means that Baylor condoned the crimes. That's where organizations like the Department of Education, the NCAA, and accrediting organizations should come in. Otherwise the school fires a few people and gets away unscathed and is free to repeat the process.

(01-28-2017 12:32 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 12:30 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  If they are kicked out -- Houston is most likely replacement, as much as I would like to see UConn in Power 5.

I doubt Houston is the replacement. Herman is gone, and they would want to branch out instead of bringing in a TX school. OU and TX don't want to compete against Houston for fertile Houston area recruits. My guess is Cincy, then either UConn or BYU in the pecking order.

Most of the Big <XII decision-makers probably wish they could push Baylor out, then bring in Cincinnati, UConn, and either BYU or Houston.

I'd say 1%, classic Price Is Right rule approach.

There is very little chance but it's not right to say it's impossible, given the scale of the problem.

(01-29-2017 04:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'd say 1%, classic Price Is Right rule approach.

There is very little chance but it's not right to say it's impossible, given the scale of the problem.

How does the Price is Right rule apply in this case? Just trying to figure out what you mean.

(01-28-2017 03:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 12:14 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  And would the Big 12 kick them out because of it?

Sincerely, what are the differences between the following:

Example 1
Sexual Assault (Crime)
Coaches involved in cover up
Administration in the know at some point
Public outraged

Example 2
Prostitution provided (Crime)
Coaches involved in cover up
Administration in the know at some point
Public outraged

Example 3
Child (Chidren) sexually assaulted (Crime)
Coaches involved in cover up
Administration in the know at some point
Public outraged

Hey I get what Baylor has done is extremely objectionable, but how is that different in the types of allegations than say Louisville, or Penn State?

If Penn State didn't get a death penalty then why should Baylor? If Baylor doesn't get the death penalty then why should anyone? I think in the degree of public shock that Penn State's offenses are still worse. Baylor's are next, and Louisville's pales by comparison. But, legally all involve crimes. All involve coaches trying to cover things up and the administration was at least aware after the fact, if not subsequent with the discovery of the crimes. So, legally I don't see a great difference in any of them, other than the substance of the crimes having a varying degree of public disgust. [/u][/b]

Well, one difference is that Penn State was just 1 sport and just 1 coach (Paterno).

But Baylor's whole football program appears to be dirty. And this is the same school that had a basketball player kill another, and the coach lied about the reasoning behind it to cover up the fact that he was paying players. There's a complete lack of institutional control over the entire athletic department at Baylor.

No. PSU was more than Sandusky and Paterno. Much more. That's why more people were let go. Like Spanier. It was a widespread cover up.

Baylor is turning out to be similar to Montana. Widespread rape by football team covered up from coaches, AD, local PD and even the DA.

What's really sickening is how Baylor is handling this after being exposed. From people wanting to rehire Art to complete unwillingness to be open with information. Being private and church associated affords them much more freedom than a regular public school.

I agree that they probably deserve the death penalty but I also think PSU deserved it and so did Montana and now it sounds like Louisville as well.