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RE: Chicago State Death Spiral
At this point, when you're only getting 140 some freshmen including part timers, what percent of the full time, traditional students are athletes? Has to be pushing a majority.
01-10-2018 03:44 PM
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RE: Chicago State Death Spiral
possible conferences that chicago state can go to if they drop to a lower division:

NCAA
Division II
Great Midwest Athletic Conference
Great Lakes Valley Conference
Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

Division III
Midwest Conference
College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

NAIA
Division I
American Midwest Conference
01-11-2018 01:09 PM
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RE: Chicago State Death Spiral
joeben69,

The conference CSU would logically drop down to would be the Chicagoland Collegiate Athletic Conference (CCAC), which is NAIA in all sports, except Basketball which is NCAA D-II.

http://www.ccacsports.com/

The schools are almost within about 75 miles of Chicago State, and include Roosevelt (Chicago), Governors State, Indiana-South Bend, and a bunch of similar sized private schools in the Chicago area.

Chicago State athletics actually is in good shape APR-wise, so they should meet NAIA standards. The budgets of the schools are similar to what Chicago State can afford, in the $2-3M range. Travel cost would go down dramatically. Also these schools have almost zero recruiting budget - this is a very large expense at Chicago State. Also the school could drop sports to get down to 10.

But this assumes you keep the school open. From a financial standpoint the intelligent thing to do is transfer the 500 strongest students to other campuses, even tuition free (it's cheaper) and leave only a couple strong programs open, such as Pharmacy (has 300+ students, 85% graduation rate ... this is the rare gem) by transferring administration to another school, like UIC. Basically Fire the entire administration of Chicago State. The campus could become a southern satellite of UIC, which probably makes more sense in the long run.

I need to correct my post based on internal audit information I found on CSU

Freshmen retention rates:
Fall 2012 = 54%
Fall 2013 = 53%
Fall 2014 = 58%
Fall 2016 = 51%

The report notes that most Freshmen since 2012 are part time. So it looks like athletes are almost the only full time, and the transfer rate includes them (yeah even they transfer). A lot are drops/fails too. Anyway the actual retention rate is 54% average. Almost all public schools have Freshmen retention rates ranging from 80-95%.

I suspect the politics of Chicago are such that the school will instead stay open as is a couple more years then just completely shut down due to dual enrollment and financial collapse, taking with it a solid Pharmacy school.
01-11-2018 03:01 PM
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RE: Chicago State Death Spiral
(01-11-2018 03:01 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  joeben69,

The conference CSU would logically drop down to would be the Chicagoland Collegiate Athletic Conference (CCAC), which is NAIA in all sports, except Basketball which is NCAA D-II.

http://www.ccacsports.com/

The schools are almost within about 75 miles of Chicago State, and include Roosevelt (Chicago), Governors State, Indiana-South Bend, and a bunch of similar sized private schools in the Chicago area.

Chicago State athletics actually is in good shape APR-wise, so they should meet NAIA standards. The budgets of the schools are similar to what Chicago State can afford, in the $2-3M range. Travel cost would go down dramatically. Also these schools have almost zero recruiting budget - this is a very large expense at Chicago State. Also the school could drop sports to get down to 10.

But this assumes you keep the school open. From a financial standpoint the intelligent thing to do is transfer the 500 strongest students to other campuses, even tuition free (it's cheaper) and leave only a couple strong programs open, such as Pharmacy (has 300+ students, 85% graduation rate ... this is the rare gem) by transferring administration to another school, like UIC. Basically Fire the entire administration of Chicago State. The campus could become a southern satellite of UIC, which probably makes more sense in the long run.

I need to correct my post based on internal audit information I found on CSU

Freshmen retention rates:
Fall 2012 = 54%
Fall 2013 = 53%
Fall 2014 = 58%
Fall 2016 = 51%

The report notes that most Freshmen since 2012 are part time. So it looks like athletes are almost the only full time, and the transfer rate includes them (yeah even they transfer). A lot are drops/fails too. Anyway the actual retention rate is 54% average. Almost all public schools have Freshmen retention rates ranging from 80-95%.

I suspect the politics of Chicago are such that the school will instead stay open as is a couple more years then just completely shut down due to dual enrollment and financial collapse, taking with it a solid Pharmacy school.

i did research the naia dii conferences but i wanted to give chicago state the benefit of the doubt...
(This post was last modified: 01-12-2018 07:39 PM by joeben69.)
01-12-2018 01:14 AM
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RE: Chicago State Death Spiral
(01-11-2018 01:09 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  possible conferences that chicago state can go to if they drop to a lower division:

NCAA
Division II
Great Midwest Athletic Conference
Great Lakes Valley Conference
Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

Division III
Midwest Conference
College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

NAIA
Division I
American Midwest Conference

My only knowledge of Chicago State is what has been written here but I have serious doubts that any D2 conference would want anything to do with CSU. It might be difficult for D3 as well since those schools tend to focus on academic standards.

Among the D2 conferences mentioned above:
*GLIAC - probably not interested in another non-football school after UW-Parkside joins and will be down to 9 football schools when Tiffin leaves.
*GLVC - CSU would have to add men's soccer and softball to join since those are 2 of the 7 required conference sports (baseball, softball, m/w basketball, m/w soccer, and w volleyball).
*G-MAC - is now all small private faith-based schools with all but 3 schools in OH and WV, the other 3 are in KY, MI, and TN; the conference is stretched already without reaching out to Chicago.
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