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(03-31-2017 04:30 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  
(03-31-2017 03:33 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This is getting silly. Chicago State did not pay it's bills for the online homework and assignment system. Students cannot turn in homework. csufacultyvoice.blogspot.com/2017/03/we-dont-pay-22000-bill-for-turnitin.html

Also an audit just showed the school has mishandled a whopping $51m in federal funds
http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/csu...al-awards/
No work=no credit=no reason to attend.

Yah, weird, needs to be fixed FAST.

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Hope those kids/students don't get stuck with paying those loans back to the bank/FASFA for lack of leadership.
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Interim President Cecil Lucy, who is not an academic has no PhD, claim to fame is as the finance guy. These are supposedly his areas of expertise.
04-01-2017 12:42 AM
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One thing that's for sure is they need new leadership. It really needs to be someone with no ties to any of the prior administrations. A new interim president should be announced in a week, and they'll also begin the search for a permanent president.

I noticed they announced a position of a new AD as well. Credit to Dildy for getting them (nearly) through this athletic year.
04-01-2017 09:44 AM
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(03-31-2017 07:48 PM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  
(03-31-2017 04:30 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  
(03-31-2017 03:33 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This is getting silly. Chicago State did not pay it's bills for the online homework and assignment system. Students cannot turn in homework. csufacultyvoice.blogspot.com/2017/03/we-dont-pay-22000-bill-for-turnitin.html

Also an audit just showed the school has mishandled a whopping $51m in federal funds
http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/csu...al-awards/
No work=no credit=no reason to attend.

Yah, weird, needs to be fixed FAST.

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The 2018 vote cant come soon enough. For the good of students and the school please stop this D1 insistence and go NAIA or shut down athletics for a little. Focus on whats most important. The WAC needs to stop enabling this foolishness

There is no question about the mismanagement at Chicago State. But any board changes and leadership changes will have zero impact without money. The state owes Chicago State about $40 million. They need that money and new leadership to make the improvements that are needed.

As far as not paying vendors, if you have ever worked at a business or company that was struggling or failing, not paying vendors is very common. The state of Illinois owes about $11 billion to vendors:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...story.html

The Illinois state budget crisis is effecting everyone in the state. So it is not surprising that something didn't get paid that should have been paid at a place like Chicago State.

The WAC membership will likely be extended and Chicago State has no incentive to drop down or eliminate athletics. The WAC still needs D1 members and some of Chicago State's issues get resolved if they can ever pass a state budget in Illinois. No school drops down from D1. It is extremely rare.
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Why do you think the WAC will extend Chicago State? It has not happened, and the year is nearly over. It wont happen next year. It has to be now or never. There is not a single President or Chancellor in the WAC who supports keeping Chicago State. And the league openly says that Chicago State is not in compliance with their current contract.

As for what Chicago State does after losing conference affiliation, who knows? Not the WAC's concern. NAIA (with D-II Basketball) Chicagoland makes the most sense, fitting their budget and location.

Reality is Chicago State has not been renewed, not been extended, and wont be.
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(04-02-2017 05:47 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Why do you think the WAC will extend Chicago State? It has not happened, and the year is nearly over. It wont happen next year. It has to be now or never. There is not a single President or Chancellor in the WAC who supports keeping Chicago State. And the league openly says that Chicago State is not in compliance with their current contract.

As for what Chicago State does after losing conference affiliation, who knows? Not the WAC's concern. NAIA (with D-II Basketball) Chicagoland makes the most sense, fitting their budget and location.

Reality is Chicago State has not been renewed, not been extended, and wont be.

Stu, unless you have some inside source, which I doubt is the case, there is no certainty in what you're saying.

I'm not disagreeing to the fact that they've failed to meet certain conditions for membership, but they are finally on track to get some of these done. It's unfortunate it has been pushed off so long but the track renovations should be completed by now or very soon. They're working on an on campus soccer field and the JCC renovations. Still need some movement in the men's soccer coach which has been on their budget request for years.

The WAC may have CBU coming in 18-19, but they're still far from stable with so few members and the everchanging landscape.

I'm with SoCal and see CSU maintaining WAC membership. In fact, the school should have an UBC meeting this month in which WAC membership should come up. We should know more afterwards.
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(04-02-2017 08:23 PM)joshadam84 Wrote:  
(04-02-2017 05:47 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Why do you think the WAC will extend Chicago State? It has not happened, and the year is nearly over. It wont happen next year. It has to be now or never. There is not a single President or Chancellor in the WAC who supports keeping Chicago State. And the league openly says that Chicago State is not in compliance with their current contract.

As for what Chicago State does after losing conference affiliation, who knows? Not the WAC's concern. NAIA (with D-II Basketball) Chicagoland makes the most sense, fitting their budget and location.

Reality is Chicago State has not been renewed, not been extended, and wont be.

Stu, unless you have some inside source, which I doubt is the case, there is no certainty in what you're saying.

I'm not disagreeing to the fact that they've failed to meet certain conditions for membership, but they are finally on track to get some of these done. It's unfortunate it has been pushed off so long but the track renovations should be completed by now or very soon. They're working on an on campus soccer field and the JCC renovations. Still need some movement in the men's soccer coach which has been on their budget request for years.

The WAC may have CBU coming in 18-19, but they're still far from stable with so few members and the everchanging landscape.

I'm with SoCal and see CSU maintaining WAC membership. In fact, the school should have an UBC meeting this month in which WAC membership should come up. We should know more afterwards.

What are the renovations JCC needs? Its only 10 years old? If they are being talked about and brought up like this, they have to be major. Whats the deal?
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I'll bet dollars to doughnuts Chicago State is not retained. You don't need special inside knowledge to read the signs.

The thing is, if Chicago State is not given an extension, there will be no announcement. This will stay private likely into the fall. The logic is inescapable. 6 Presidents/Chancellors must vote for an extension or renewal, or removal of the probationary status. It's not Hurd's call, and even if it were he has been very careful in his wording, not committing at all to retaining Chicago State, even when asked point blank. "We are monitoring the situation"
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(04-03-2017 01:57 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I'll bet dollars to doughnuts Chicago State is not retained. You don't need special inside knowledge to read the signs.

The thing is, if Chicago State is not given an extension, there will be no announcement. This will stay private likely into the fall. The logic is inescapable. 6 Presidents/Chancellors must vote for an extension or renewal, or removal of the probationary status. It's not Hurd's call, and even if it were he has been very careful in his wording, not committing at all to retaining Chicago State, even when asked point blank. "We are monitoring the situation"

Since you decided to take Hurd's statement out of context, I thought I would provide the full article:

http://www.lcsun-news.com/story/sports/c.../82667500/

As Hurd states in the article, they are monitoring the state budget crisis and that neither the WAC or Chicago State has any control in this process. He also stated in the article that he is very happy with the current membership.

No one, Presidents or Hurd, has come out and said Chicago State is not being extended. That is in your mind. Most of the schools in the WAC gained entrance due to the WAC weakness at the time. The WAC was barely hanging on as a conference at the time. It is not wise to let D1 schools go unless you have replacements. The WAC does not at this point. The WAC still needs to add membership, not drop membership.

Every conference commissioner is monitoring dozen of situations within their conference and outside of their conference. The Summit League is monitoring the Illinois state budget crisis because it effects Western Illinois.

The budget crisis has kept them from completing projects that were part of the contract. Chicago State has said that they intend to complete the soccer field and hire a soccer coach. I just can't see the WAC dropping Chicago State because they are not in compliance with the contract. It is more likely that they get an extension. The WAC is still not healthy enough as a conference to drop any school.
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Ben-- It seems to be just the replacement of the basketball floor itself. I'm not sure how often a typical floor will last.. but I know it gets a lot of use by other tournaments using it.
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