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RE: Poinsettia Bowl goes bust
(02-13-2017 06:21 PM)Go College Sports Wrote:  Mountain West chose Boise over LA.

First of all, doubt highly that it was as simple as you're trying to pretend it was.
But more importantly, the main point is that a lack of options is not equivalent to a choice.

(02-13-2017 06:23 PM)Go College Sports Wrote:  Quick Lane Bowl is a different bowl game with a different group running it than the former Motor City Bowl.

Like I said, Detroit still has a bowl game. If it wasn't a worthy site, it wouldn't have a bowl game right now.

Boise and the MW have never been in anything close to an equivalent position ... have to take what they can get.
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(02-13-2017 06:18 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  It didn't, just changed names. There's still a Detroit bowl featuring the Big ten.

It's a different charter. Different organization. Only continuities are "Ford Field" and "Big Ten." The Motor City Bowl/Little Caesars Pizza Bowl is defunct.

Which, by your reckoning, is unpossible.
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RE: Poinsettia Bowl goes bust
(02-13-2017 06:54 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(02-13-2017 06:18 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  It didn't, just changed names. There's still a Detroit bowl featuring the Big ten.

It's a different charter. Different organization. Only continuities are "Ford Field" and "Big Ten." The Motor City Bowl/Little Caesars Pizza Bowl is defunct.

Which, by your reckoning, is unpossible.

They even tried to keep the game alive at Comerica. But when you don't have conference tie-ins, you stop holding a bowl.
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(02-13-2017 06:54 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  The Motor City Bowl/Little Caesars Pizza Bowl is defunct.

Detroit continues to host a bowl game at Ford Field. That venue is worthy, which the new bowl game proves.

Playing a bowl game outdoors in Boise in December is not analogous.


(02-13-2017 08:59 PM)Go College Sports Wrote:  But when you don't have conference tie-ins, you stop holding a bowl.

False, as you know.
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Well Detroit had a venue but that bowl game doesn't exist anymore so....?

It could be because no team was willing to play in it.
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RE: Poinsettia Bowl goes bust
(02-13-2017 06:33 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(02-13-2017 06:21 PM)Go College Sports Wrote:  Mountain West chose Boise over LA.

First of all, doubt highly that it was as simple as you're trying to pretend it was.
But more importantly, the main point is that a lack of options is not equivalent to a choice.

(02-13-2017 06:23 PM)Go College Sports Wrote:  Quick Lane Bowl is a different bowl game with a different group running it than the former Motor City Bowl.

Like I said, Detroit still has a bowl game. If it wasn't a worthy site, it wouldn't have a bowl game right now.

Boise and the MW have never been in anything close to an equivalent position ... have to take what they can get.

You are correct it wasn't that simple.
Basically, the LA Christmas bowl with the intention of having the MW as the anchor wasn't trying to get the PAC 12 to tie-in. The PAC wasn't interested and the MW wasn't interested without the PAC and definitely wasn't interested with BYU being tied-in as the regular opponent.
It all worked out for the MW as we didn't get another before Christmas bowl and now have the AZ Bowl that is played near NYD and treats us and the other teams like a major bowl.

http://www.thewizofpods.com/Media/Christmas%20Bowl.pdf
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(02-14-2017 04:50 PM)Go College Sports Wrote:  Well Detroit had a venue but that bowl game doesn't exist anymore so....?

It could be because no team was willing to play in it.

Detroit still has a bowl game. Its setting and venue are worthy.

Boise's aren't, but its bowl game is perpetuated by the circumstances of the bowl system.


(02-15-2017 10:08 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  You are correct it wasn't that simple.
Basically, the LA Christmas bowl with the intention of having the MW as the anchor wasn't trying to get the PAC 12 to tie-in. The PAC wasn't interested and the MW wasn't interested without the PAC and definitely wasn't interested with BYU being tied-in as the regular opponent.
It all worked out for the MW as we didn't get another before Christmas bowl and now have the AZ Bowl that is played near NYD and treats us and the other teams like a major bowl.

http://www.thewizofpods.com/Media/Christmas%20Bowl.pdf

Thanks for the info!
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MB,
Why are you so anti-Boise? As long as they are certified, I have no issue with the bowl being there. They got a niche with the blue field of Boise. If no one wants to re-up with them in 2020, they will go away. If the locals support it, good for them. Apparently Shreveport has a lot of local support for the Indy Bowl. I have yet to see a team turn down the Boise Bowl.
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(02-15-2017 07:15 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  MB,
Why are you so anti-Boise? As long as they are certified, I have no issue with the bowl being there. They got a niche with the blue field of Boise. If no one wants to re-up with them in 2020, they will go away. If the locals support it, good for them. Apparently Shreveport has a lot of local support for the Indy Bowl. I have yet to see a team turn down the Boise Bowl.

Thanks for getting to the heart of what this is: He is anti-Boise sounding. MB? Why the Boise hate? I'm not judging you or even saying it's wrong, just curious to know.

Cheers!
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RE: Poinsettia Bowl goes bust
(02-15-2017 07:15 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Why are you so anti-Boise?

(02-15-2017 08:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  MB? Why the Boise hate? I'm not judging you or even saying it's wrong, just curious to know.

Apologize for the delay in answering this.


I thought I already addressed this in the thread. But for posterity, here again is why I think Boise's bowl game is invalid. I judge it by three simple criteria: 1) is the bowl site in or near a destination?, 2) failing 1, is the December weather nice?, 3) failing 1 & 2, is the gameday stadium at least comfortable for the fans?


Boise is the only bowl that blatantly fails all three.


But the system, and the MWC, prop it up artificially.
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