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RE: North Dakota to Summit League and MVFC
All the Summit has to do is sponsor football, then baseball can go away. If they need six full members to force the takeover of the MVFC, then adding Northern Colorado would be the way to go - adding UNC would allow the Summit to keep baseball afloat longer as well if they do not want to drop it.

If the Summit dropped baseball, UNC could continue to play in the WAC if they keep their team. Oral Roberts, Omaha, Western Illinois, and Fort Wayne could all join the MVC for baseball only if they keep their programs. South Dakota State would probably drop its program.
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(02-07-2017 07:16 PM)Mav Wrote:  The next phase of the athletic complex plan was to turn an area to the west of the arena into diamonds for baseball and softball, but they ended up tabling those stadiums and going back to playing on high school fields when the new arena pulled a net loss, and now the "athletic complex" talk is dead in the water.

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But there has to be a will and the funds to make it work, and I'm not seeing it in the near future unless they get help paying off the arena.

Didn't know that UNO athletic dept financial situation was that bleak. What was the cost of the new arena and how was it financed, bonds? Or donations?

Hopefully things turn around for you.

It's mainly a hockey arena, as that's your main revenue sport, right? With hopefully MBB doing well, too. It looks like a really nice arena.


Do you think attendance has gone down for hockey since moving from the big Omaha arena? To ask another way: is it a pain for people to get to UNO campus?


(02-07-2017 07:16 PM)Mav Wrote:  It also wanted to make a name for itself in-state and be known for being more than a commuter school for unambitious kids.

Well, if you want to be a major research institution, all you'd need to do is merge the University of Nebraska Med School/Health Science campus in Omaha under UNO. That would do the trick in a hurry.


And I imagine the Lincoln board would s___ a collective brick, and then push small children down, falling over themselves to have that plan rejected.


(02-07-2017 07:16 PM)Mav Wrote:  Is it possible for the Summit to replace its secondary sport?

I can't see what team sport they could reasonably replace baseball with, as the third team sport.

You have MBB, then soccer would be the second men's team sport, and you apparently need one more. NoDak suggested men's volleyball. That would work for me, but I don't know if the schools would buy it.


(02-07-2017 09:18 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  All the Summit has to do is sponsor football, then baseball can go away. If they need six full members to force the takeover of the MVFC, then adding Northern Colorado would be the way to go - adding UNC would allow the Summit to keep baseball afloat longer as well if they do not want to drop it.

I'm all aboard that plan ... except one catch: the MVFC is separate from the MVC. In other words, the MVC doesn't sponsor football. It was the same way with the Gateway Football Conf.

So if the Summit assumed management of the current MVFC, it would seem like that "independence" from the MVC and Summit would remain.


(02-07-2017 09:18 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If the Summit dropped baseball, UNC could continue to play in the WAC if they keep their team. Oral Roberts, Omaha, Western Illinois, and Fort Wayne could all join the MVC for baseball only if they keep their programs. South Dakota State would probably drop its program.

The Dakota 4 should follow USD and UND's lead and all drop baseball, in my opinion.

If UNC was the enabler, allowing the Summit to officially sponsor football, then I would think it would also drop its program. Possibly same with Omaha. Denver doesn't have baseball.

The Dakotas, Omaha, Denver, and N Colo, if they joined, would be the schools I'm most concerned with. NCC 2.0
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Would love for UND to drop individual sports like M/W tennis, M/W swimming and golf and start M/W lacrosse and M VBall, as they have revenue potential and great indoor facilities to host them. But don't see either the Slummit or UND doing it. We have six team sports that draw at least a 1000, why not eight or nine?
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(02-07-2017 10:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  The Dakotas, Omaha, Denver, and N Colo, if they joined, would be the schools I'm most concerned with. NCC 2.0

SDSU will not be dropping baseball, ever. If NDSU drop the sport, and the SLC move away from baseball SDSU will be hooking up with the remaining SLC members who sponsor baseball to look for a conference to join as an affiliate.
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(02-08-2017 12:09 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Would love for UND to drop individual sports like M/W tennis, M/W swimming and golf and start M/W lacrosse and M VBall, as they have revenue potential and great indoor facilities to host them.

I don't know about starting lacrosse or men's vball, but I personally think sports like tennis, swimming, and golf should not be sponsored at all at the high school and college levels.

Let the club/private teams take over that completely.


(02-08-2017 12:35 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  SDSU will not be dropping baseball, ever. If NDSU drop the sport, and the SLC move away from baseball SDSU will be hooking up with the remaining SLC members who sponsor baseball to look for a conference to join as an affiliate.

That is SDSU's prerogative, to continue spending a ton of money to attract players from California and Arizona, to a climate with a built in competitive disadvantage, and spending another ton of money to fly the team to the southwest and southeast for most of the season, while hoping the weather holds out enough for some sloppy April and early May home games in Brookings.


NDSU does the exact same thing for the softball team. And that team will never be dropped .... because it has found a way to win. Not so, for whatever reason, with baseball.
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(02-08-2017 12:35 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  SDSU will not be dropping baseball, ever. If NDSU drop the sport, and the SLC move away from baseball SDSU will be hooking up with the remaining SLC members who sponsor baseball to look for a conference to join as an affiliate.

That is SDSU's prerogative, to continue spending a ton of money to attract players from California and Arizona, to a climate with a built in competitive disadvantage, and spending another ton of money to fly the team to the southwest and southeast for most of the season, while hoping the weather holds out enough for some sloppy April and early May home games in Brookings.

NDSU does the exact same thing for the softball team. And that team will never be dropped .... because it has found a way to win. Not so, for whatever reason, with baseball.

None of the Dakota schools import many baseball players from the west or south. A handful at most. Most are from Minnesota or neighboring states. There are some pitchers that need development there, otherwise they would have headed south.

But NDSU gets most of their softball players from California. . .
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NDSU has an overwhelming number from Minn.

SDSU has almost 1/3rd each from SD, Minn, and Iowa.


But yes I was wrong. I assumed they both ran it the way that NDSU softball does it. Although even there, players from the southwest only make up about half of the roster.
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(02-07-2017 10:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Didn't know that UNO athletic dept financial situation was that bleak. What was the cost of the new arena and how was it financed, bonds? Or donations?

Hopefully things turn around for you.

It's mainly a hockey arena, as that's your main revenue sport, right? With hopefully MBB doing well, too. It looks like a really nice arena.


Do you think attendance has gone down for hockey since moving from the big Omaha arena? To ask another way: is it a pain for people to get to UNO campus?
Both private donations and bonds paid for it. And yes, hockey is, in theory, the revenue sport, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were all running in the red at the moment. Attendance is actually down since the move, due to the arena having fewer amenities and the team's struggles in-conference, coupled with a terrible attitude from the athletic department that the new arena should sell itself regardless of the results on the rink/court.

Quote:Well, if you want to be a major research institution, all you'd need to do is merge the University of Nebraska Med School/Health Science campus in Omaha under UNO. That would do the trick in a hurry.

And I imagine the Lincoln board would s___ a collective brick, and then push small children down, falling over themselves to have that plan rejected.
It'd never happen, especially since the main rationale behind Lincoln's forced removal from the AAU was a perceived lack of commitment to non-ag sciences. They asked if UNMC could count, and the AAU said no, but if it did, that Lincoln would remain a member, easily. Lincoln already took over UNO's engineering department in an attempt to save face, and even put up these arrogant "Welcome to Nebraska" flyers in the engineering wing.

Quote:I can't see what team sport they could reasonably replace baseball with, as the third team sport.

You have MBB, then soccer would be the second men's team sport, and you apparently need one more. NoDak suggested men's volleyball. That would work for me, but I don't know if the schools would buy it.
That's actually just what I was thinking. Soccer would make more sense as a secondary sport than baseball, since it's in the fall and allows for play in all kinds of weather, unlike baseball. I'm sure the Dakotas could find at least some success in it, too, since it's one of those sports a mid-major can excel in, and they seem to do a better job of getting results in their focus sports than the rest of the Summit does.
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(02-08-2017 04:09 PM)Mav Wrote:  Attendance is actually down since the move, due to the arena having fewer amenities and the team's struggles in-conference, coupled with a terrible attitude from the athletic department that the new arena should sell itself regardless of the results on the rink/court.

Well hopefully your hockey and bball attendances bounce back. Good luck 03-thumbsup


(02-08-2017 04:09 PM)Mav Wrote:  It'd never happen, especially since the main rationale behind Lincoln's forced removal from the AAU was a perceived lack of commitment to non-ag sciences. They asked if UNMC could count, and the AAU said no, but if it did, that Lincoln would remain a member, easily. Lincoln already took over UNO's engineering department in an attempt to save face, and even put up these arrogant "Welcome to Nebraska" flyers in the engineering wing.

Right. The exact same situation exists in Kansas, with the U of KS medical school and heath science campus being located in Kansas City, instead of Lawrence. Except that their med campus is counted under Lawrence research. Pretty dumb that they didn't do the same with the Omaha med campus ... have to imagine such a move is in the works eventually, and hopefully that will propel Nebraska back into AAU status.


(02-08-2017 04:09 PM)Mav Wrote:  Soccer would make more sense as a secondary sport than baseball, since it's in the fall and allows for play in all kinds of weather, unlike baseball. I'm sure the Dakotas could find at least some success in it, too, since it's one of those sports a mid-major can excel in, and they seem to do a better job of getting results in their focus sports than the rest of the Summit does.

I think women's soccer turned around the last couple years, but usually was middling. It used to be that our (women's) volleyball team was very good ... but they haven't been for a while.

Don't think men's soccer, much less men's volleyball, will be varsity sports at NDSU any time soon, regardless if baseball is dropped.


Think actually the more likely scenario would be the Summit officially sponsoring football, with the MVFC dissolving and the MVC football schools becoming affiliate members of the Summit for football. And I doubt that is happening either!
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Well maybe baseball (or golf) won't be cut at NDSU, after all.

http://www.wday.com/sports/4215292-ndsu-...-athletics


But perhaps UND will cut some (more) sports.
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