My patience for Cullop is done. Enough said.

(01-21-2017 09:32 PM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  My patience for Cullop is done. Enough said.

Me too!

I feel an urge to add a "lighten up Francis" but that seems a bit over the top.

It's really rather sad it's gotten to this point. Winning the WNIT in the fashion that we did (bidding for the home game every round & getting it, selling out every round, and beating big time programs) should have propelled this program to the next level...instead, that's all we have our hats to hang on to in the last decade or so.

While we're at it, what about Coach K? 24 point loss on the road tonight.

(01-22-2017 01:33 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  It's really rather sad it's gotten to this point. Winning the WNIT in the fashion that we did (bidding for the home game every round & getting it, selling out every round, and beating big time programs) should have propelled this program to the next level...instead, that's all we have our hats to hang on to in the last decade or so.

Never really were able to capitalize on that NIT Championship victory.

(01-22-2017 01:35 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  While we're at it, what about Coach K? 24 point loss on the road tonight.

Below .500 for the MAC schedule so far. Plus I'm seeing players on other MAC squads with better fundamentals and what appears to be better conditioning. The rest of the season will tell.

While we are at it, UT in men's basketball is losing the recruiting wars to the Likes of Akron, Ohio, and to EMU in a smaller way. In football, WMU, NIU, Ohio are doing a better job in recruiting and coaching then UT.

(01-22-2017 09:54 AM)Springboromark Wrote:  While we are at it, UT in men's basketball is losing the recruiting wars to the Likes of Akron, Ohio, and to EMU in a smaller way. In football, WMU, NIU, Ohio are doing a better job in recruiting and coaching then UT.

You got to be kidding on the FB recruiting. Even BG is out recruiting WMU, NIU, and Ohio right now, Rockets lost 4 All MAC Defender coming into this season and then had lost 3 of its Front 7 Defense starters by the the Bowl game. Still went 9-4 and 6-2 in Candle's first season. Shouldn't have lost to OU, but losing to WMU's best team ever I can get over. I like TK's recruits,
but Rockets are a young team missing a solid D1 PG.

(01-22-2017 05:23 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 01:35 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  While we're at it, what about Coach K? 24 point loss on the road tonight.

Below .500 for the MAC schedule so far. Plus I'm seeing players on other MAC squads with better fundamentals and what appears to be better conditioning. The rest of the season will tell.

Actually, they are .500 in MAC play at 3-3. The article in the Blade said 3-4, but they are 3-3.

(01-22-2017 09:54 AM)Springboromark Wrote:  While we are at it, UT in men's basketball is losing the recruiting wars to the Likes of Akron, Ohio, and to EMU in a smaller way. In football, WMU, NIU, Ohio are doing a better job in recruiting and coaching then UT.

They just beat out Akron and Kent State for Missouri transfer Willie Jackson, who is from the Cleveland area (Garfield Heights).

(01-22-2017 12:23 PM)RocketBBallFan Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 05:23 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 01:35 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  While we're at it, what about Coach K? 24 point loss on the road tonight.

Below .500 for the MAC schedule so far. Plus I'm seeing players on other MAC squads with better fundamentals and what appears to be better conditioning. The rest of the season will tell.

Actually, they are .500 in MAC play at 3-3. The article in the Blade said 3-4, but they are 3-3.

Just preparing for the drubbing at Ohio on Tuesday that'll make it officially 3-4

(01-22-2017 05:19 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 01:33 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  It's really rather sad it's gotten to this point. Winning the WNIT in the fashion that we did (bidding for the home game every round & getting it, selling out every round, and beating big time programs) should have propelled this program to the next level...instead, that's all we have our hats to hang on to in the last decade or so.

Never really were able to capitalize on that NIT Championship victory.

Think about that for a moment. We have been hanging our hats on winning a tournament that we got into because we weren't good enough for the NCAA tourney, and that was our best team in the last xx years.

There seems to be a satisfaction with mediocrity in our fan/alumni base. It's almost like a lot of us are afraid of getting too good.

I recall a number of years ago App State beating #5 Michigan, a team than ended up ranked and finished 9-4. It was talked about down here for a little while, but they moved on to bigger goals. I-AA playoffs (and championships) every year until they moved up to FBS, now they're a good FBS team that is expanding their stadium and playing the big boys. Don't be shocked if they move into whatever incarnation of the P5 exists in 10 years...

Meanwhile, we beat a horrible Michigan team that went 3-9 with a first year head coach, and you'd have thought we won the World Cup, Super Bowl, and World Series of Poker all at the same time. We got better over time, but never really vaulted into a level that Pinkel hadn't already taken us.

I feel like the same attitude is producing the same results in WBB. Just my two cents.

To borrow a BroCoachism - "Change your best"

(01-22-2017 01:25 PM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 05:19 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 01:33 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  It's really rather sad it's gotten to this point. Winning the WNIT in the fashion that we did (bidding for the home game every round & getting it, selling out every round, and beating big time programs) should have propelled this program to the next level...instead, that's all we have our hats to hang on to in the last decade or so.

Never really were able to capitalize on that NIT Championship victory.

Think about that for a moment. We have been hanging our hats on winning a tournament that we got into because we weren't good enough for the NCAA tourney, and that was our best team in the last xx years.

There seems to be a satisfaction with mediocrity in our fan/alumni base. It's almost like a lot of us are afraid of getting too good.

I recall a number of years ago App State beating #5 Michigan, a team than ended up ranked and finished 9-4. It was talked about down here for a little while, but they moved on to bigger goals. I-AA playoffs (and championships) every year until they moved up to FBS, now they're a good FBS team that is expanding their stadium and playing the big boys. Don't be shocked if they move into whatever incarnation of the P5 exists in 10 years...

Meanwhile, we beat a horrible Michigan team that went 3-9 with a first year head coach, and you'd have thought we won the World Cup, Super Bowl, and World Series of Poker all at the same time. We got better over time, but never really vaulted into a level that Pinkel hadn't already taken us.

I feel like the same attitude is producing the same results in WBB. Just my two cents.

To borrow a BroCoachism - "Change your best"

now they're a good FBS team that is expanding their stadium and playing the big boys. Don't be shocked if they move into whatever incarnation of the P5 exists in 10 years...

Please get off that weed. App State is a former teachers college with ONE doctoral program. In a small mountain town in North Carolina. I'd like to know what P5 conference would want them with their 23K stadium.

(01-22-2017 03:20 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 01:25 PM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 05:19 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 01:33 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  It's really rather sad it's gotten to this point. Winning the WNIT in the fashion that we did (bidding for the home game every round & getting it, selling out every round, and beating big time programs) should have propelled this program to the next level...instead, that's all we have our hats to hang on to in the last decade or so.

Never really were able to capitalize on that NIT Championship victory.

Think about that for a moment. We have been hanging our hats on winning a tournament that we got into because we weren't good enough for the NCAA tourney, and that was our best team in the last xx years.

There seems to be a satisfaction with mediocrity in our fan/alumni base. It's almost like a lot of us are afraid of getting too good.

I recall a number of years ago App State beating #5 Michigan, a team than ended up ranked and finished 9-4. It was talked about down here for a little while, but they moved on to bigger goals. I-AA playoffs (and championships) every year until they moved up to FBS, now they're a good FBS team that is expanding their stadium and playing the big boys. Don't be shocked if they move into whatever incarnation of the P5 exists in 10 years...

Meanwhile, we beat a horrible Michigan team that went 3-9 with a first year head coach, and you'd have thought we won the World Cup, Super Bowl, and World Series of Poker all at the same time. We got better over time, but never really vaulted into a level that Pinkel hadn't already taken us.

I feel like the same attitude is producing the same results in WBB. Just my two cents.

To borrow a BroCoachism - "Change your best"

now they're a good FBS team that is expanding their stadium and playing the big boys. Don't be shocked if they move into whatever incarnation of the P5 exists in 10 years...

Please get off that weed. App State is a former teachers college with ONE doctoral program. In a small mountain town in North Carolina. I'd like to know what P5 conference would want them with their 23K stadium.

Fine, keep carving 13-10 in every piece of wood furniture you own. You couldn't have missed the point more if you tried.

(01-22-2017 03:40 PM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 03:20 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 01:25 PM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 05:19 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 01:33 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  It's really rather sad it's gotten to this point. Winning the WNIT in the fashion that we did (bidding for the home game every round & getting it, selling out every round, and beating big time programs) should have propelled this program to the next level...instead, that's all we have our hats to hang on to in the last decade or so.

Never really were able to capitalize on that NIT Championship victory.

Think about that for a moment. We have been hanging our hats on winning a tournament that we got into because we weren't good enough for the NCAA tourney, and that was our best team in the last xx years.

There seems to be a satisfaction with mediocrity in our fan/alumni base. It's almost like a lot of us are afraid of getting too good.

I recall a number of years ago App State beating #5 Michigan, a team than ended up ranked and finished 9-4. It was talked about down here for a little while, but they moved on to bigger goals. I-AA playoffs (and championships) every year until they moved up to FBS, now they're a good FBS team that is expanding their stadium and playing the big boys. Don't be shocked if they move into whatever incarnation of the P5 exists in 10 years...

Meanwhile, we beat a horrible Michigan team that went 3-9 with a first year head coach, and you'd have thought we won the World Cup, Super Bowl, and World Series of Poker all at the same time. We got better over time, but never really vaulted into a level that Pinkel hadn't already taken us.

I feel like the same attitude is producing the same results in WBB. Just my two cents.

To borrow a BroCoachism - "Change your best"

now they're a good FBS team that is expanding their stadium and playing the big boys. Don't be shocked if they move into whatever incarnation of the P5 exists in 10 years...

Please get off that weed. App State is a former teachers college with ONE doctoral program. In a small mountain town in North Carolina. I'd like to know what P5 conference would want them with their 23K stadium.

Fine, keep carving 13-10 in every piece of wood furniture you own. You couldn't have missed the point more if you tried.

Then I missed it too. Those conferences are looking for academics and tv contract. Wish App St the best but they have pretty uphill battle that no amount of athletic work will help them with.

The point is that if you keep resting on your laurels and celebrating so-so things ad infinitum, you end up where we are. App State has gone from a 1-AA to ahead of us in the game. But we always look at it and say "but, we're Toledo, we are only going to get so far... Hey, our ladies won the NIT once, and our football team beat the worst Michigan team in 50 years, so there's that..."

(01-22-2017 03:47 PM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  The point is that if you keep resting on your laurels and celebrating so-so things ad infinitum, you end up where we are. App State has gone from a 1-AA to ahead of us in the game. But we always look at it and say "but, we're Toledo, we are only going to get so far... Hey, our ladies won the NIT once, and our football team beat the worst Michigan team in 50 years, so there's that..."

I've never heard anybody say that in my life, respectfully.

We have improved facilities. brought in revenue coaches who had demonstrated success elsewhere (with the ND recommendation the exception), where's the "resting?"

I'll grant you, there's something amiss when a school that has done their best with the money and has the general winning records our revenues do, but hasn't brought home the conference title.

Perhaps the AD system in place doesn't have that "whatever" others do to make that next jump but it could also be a be careful what you're asking for situation. We have good academics. The teams and athletes have represented the community well. You prefer what you saw at WMU and EMU? We have a sound financial situation, though obviously it needs less reliance on trust and more on checks and balances.

Which of those would you be willing to exchange for a championship?

(01-22-2017 09:54 AM)Springboromark Wrote:  ...In football, WMU, NIU, Ohio are doing a better job in recruiting ...

You sure about that?

Toledo on Scout @RocketsScout Wrote:For those that care: Toledo's 2017 Recruiting Class is currently No. 1 in the Mid-American Conference. Two commits this weekend only helps.

Our board has multiple personalities. We are one third of the way through conference play... last season our men were 4-2 to this point and finished 9-9. Id rather struggle now than in two months. Our women cant shoot and the men cant play away from savage. These things are fixable. A 7? 8? seed UB won the MAC WBB tourney last season. Its how you play in March that matters. Cullops crew will be fine. Deep breaths... we can adress these questions after another 6 games.

And winning the WNIT does not make us the 65th best team in the nation. That team should have been an at large and proved they probably would have won a game or two in the NCAA's. We didn't make the NCAA's because we lost in the MAC semi's... not on merit of our actual team's resume. If you watched that team play you understand we were better than 18-15 major programs. Us keeping a tradition of 4,000 strong at Savage is why Tricia should not be gone or even close to it. If she was gone, we'd regress back to the Elam days of 600 in the stands.