http://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/spo.../96844372/

Have to think ACC and SEC will probably drop in 2020. Would be a good match up for SBC and CUSA or MWC and AAC.

(01-20-2017 07:57 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  http://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/spo.../96844372/

Have to think ACC and SEC will probably drop in 2020. Would be a good match up for SBC and CUSA or MWC and AAC.

Only if it's called The Weed whacker Bowl again

Cheers!

I like the Independence Bowl because its well attended and close to a lot of G5 teams.

I would like to see it part of the G5 bowl pool.

(01-20-2017 07:57 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  http://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/spo.../96844372/

Have to think ACC and SEC will probably drop in 2020. Would be a good match up for SBC and CUSA or MWC and AAC.

They'll only drop it to pick up a nicer one. Indy Bowl has history, but is in Shreveport. What would they pick up instead? Maybe a second bowl in Atlanta? Where else is there another spot for an SEC-ACC bowl?

(01-20-2017 08:54 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-20-2017 07:57 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  http://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/spo.../96844372/

Have to think ACC and SEC will probably drop in 2020. Would be a good match up for SBC and CUSA or MWC and AAC.

They'll only drop it to pick up a nicer one. Indy Bowl has history, but is in Shreveport. What would they pick up instead? Maybe a second bowl in Atlanta? Where else is there another spot for an SEC-ACC bowl?

Or is this the bowl you cut because you don't average enough 6-6 teams?

(01-20-2017 08:54 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-20-2017 07:57 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  http://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/spo.../96844372/

Have to think ACC and SEC will probably drop in 2020. Would be a good match up for SBC and CUSA or MWC and AAC.

They'll only drop it to pick up a nicer one. Indy Bowl has history, but is in Shreveport. What would they pick up instead? Maybe a second bowl in Atlanta? Where else is there another spot for an SEC-ACC bowl?

Pittsburgh, Washington, Philadelphia.

(01-20-2017 07:57 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  http://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/spo.../96844372/

Have to think ACC and SEC will probably drop in 2020. Would be a good match up for SBC and CUSA or MWC and AAC.

A long way from the ACC footprint for travel of a team that was 6-6 or 7-5. Hold onto the SEC, and the Bowl could get the AAC, C-USA and SBC in a bidding war to buy the other slot.

(01-20-2017 08:54 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-20-2017 07:57 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  http://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/spo.../96844372/

Have to think ACC and SEC will probably drop in 2020. Would be a good match up for SBC and CUSA or MWC and AAC.

They'll only drop it to pick up a nicer one. Indy Bowl has history, but is in Shreveport. What would they pick up instead? Maybe a second bowl in Atlanta? Where else is there another spot for an SEC-ACC bowl?

ACC already has belk and JAX/Nash

What I would love to see ACC have in next go round

Top tier
1. Orange
2 Tampa vs SEC NYD and Russel Orlando vs B12-

Mid Tier
Beck vs SEC
Sun Vs PAV
Pinstrioe vs B10
JAX/Nash vs SEC

Lower Tier
Birmingham vs SEC
Detroit vs B10
Military vs AAC or Dallas vs B12

Washington would like to build a new stadium at the site of the current/former RFK. Honestly, that's precisely where their stadium should be located.

I would look for that push to come in a big way in the coming years while Trump is still president.

When they do build a new stadium, I think it should be a domed stadium. Nobody in the entire Northeast Corridor built a dome and that's just crazy. Think of all the Super Bowls, major bowl games, concerts, Final Fours, etc. you could have in the most heavily populated part of the country if you have a facility that can handle all of those events.

It doesn't look like that's the plan but it should be.

From a college football perspective, I think the ACC and SEC or B1G would be all over a game in Washington, DC – especially in a controlled environment.

A few things.

1st, The ACC should have nothing to do with this bowl game. They can find or start a bowl game closer to footprint.

2nd, This is the bowl game that Arkansas should have played in instead of the Belk bowl.

3rd, Why isn't AAC or the Big 12 involved with this bowl?

4th and final. This is just another reason why we need to move to post season tournaments in football instead of traditional bowl games.

The Independence Bowl is one of the classic bowls with so much history. It needs to stay a mid-level bowl at worst.

Back when the NCAA TIGHTLY regulated bowls the folks in Shreveport wanted a game and the NCAA turned them down. In 1975 Arkansas State won the Southland (then Division I no I-A or I-AA) with an 11-0 record and didn't get an invite to the bowl. The Shreveport people went back to the NCAA promising to take the Southland champion and the NCAA approved it making it the 12th bowl game. The Bluebonnet would later fold making the Independence the 11th oldest bowl game.

The bowl ditched the Southland after five years. That sixth year they had Texas A&M and Oklahoma State, Texas-Arlington won the Southland that year which makes for a great "what if" UTA had gone to a bowl that season would it have impacted the future of football there.

Once heard an interview with Frank Beamer who said making the 1993 Independence Bowl had been a critical point in turning the Hokies into a national power. It was before bowls were all locked up with conferences and the I-Bowl had been the only one giving them a serious look.

In 1987 Mack Brown convinced Tulane to offer to buy a huge number of tickets to get in the Independence at 6-5. Leading Tulane to its first bowl in 7 seasons helped Brown get the UNC job.

The Independence was on the verge of folding until Poulan stepped up to become title sponsor in 1990 as the Poulan Weedeater Independence Bowl. Before they secured the sponsorship they had reached out to Little Rock and Jackson, MS to share the bowl. The plan was to rotate among the three cities each year or rotate with one of the cities if only one was interested. Neither city was interested, one of four botched attempts to bring a bowl game to War Memorial Stadium in Little Rock.

(01-20-2017 08:54 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-20-2017 07:57 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  http://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/spo.../96844372/

Have to think ACC and SEC will probably drop in 2020. Would be a good match up for SBC and CUSA or MWC and AAC.

They'll only drop it to pick up a nicer one. Indy Bowl has history, but is in Shreveport. What would they pick up instead? Maybe a second bowl in Atlanta? Where else is there another spot for an SEC-ACC bowl?

Shreveport, geez. I don't normally advocate bowl sites being doubled up but it'd be an instant upgrade if it moved to Memphis. I'd say New Orleans but it already has 2 or 3 bowls depending on the year.

The bowl's worked great in Shreveport for 40 years. It's Shreveport's claim to fame so they always do an excellent job hosting and have built up a lot of history doing so.

Moving this game would be a disaster and guaranteed net negative, especially as another city's second bowl.

I like the Independence Bowl's name and history, so I hope it continues to survive. I agree that the ACC tie-in is odd though. It definitely should be tied-in w/ 2 of the SEC, B12, CUSA, AAC, or SBC.

(01-21-2017 04:35 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Shreveport, geez. I don't normally advocate bowl sites being doubled up but it'd be an instant upgrade if it moved to Memphis. I'd say New Orleans but it already has 2 or 3 bowls depending on the year.

The spots that have multiple bowls are New ORleans (Sugar, New Orleans), the Miami area (Orange, Boca Raton, Miami Beach), Orlando (Citrus, Citrus II ACC vs Big 12, Cure), Dallas-Fort Worth (Cotton, Heart of Dallas, Military), and San Diego (Holiday, Poinsettia). Three mega-tourist destinations, a top-ten metropolitan area, and, um, San Diego.

Would Memphis be able to carry a second bowl?

Meanwhile, you have ACC-SEC bowls in Charlotte, Jacksonville (1/2), Nashville (1/2), and--Shreveport. So maybe a Florida location--do the SEC and ACC bigfoot the American out of Miami Beach? The Bahamas? (People make fun of that bowl, but who's mad about a trip to the Bahamas? Stadium size might be an issue, though.)

(01-21-2017 06:51 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  The bowl's worked great in Shreveport for 40 years. It's Shreveport's claim to fame so they always do an excellent job hosting and have built up a lot of history doing so.

Moving this game would be a disaster and guaranteed net negative, especially as another city's second bowl.

I don't think the Bowl itself would move, I think the SEC and ACC would drop out and the bowl becomes a G5 vs G5 game, while the lowest-tier ACC-SEC matchup moves to a more desirable location.

(01-20-2017 10:52 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  3rd, Why isn't AAC or the Big 12 involved with this bowl?

Big 12, with only 10 teams, has limited its inventory to avoid a bowl this far down in the food chain. The other cartel conferences need slots like this for their last bowl eligible team. Louisiana Tech, Houston, or Arkansas State would have brought a lot of fans and also handily whooped Vanderbilt.

(01-21-2017 09:25 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 04:35 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Shreveport, geez. I don't normally advocate bowl sites being doubled up but it'd be an instant upgrade if it moved to Memphis. I'd say New Orleans but it already has 2 or 3 bowls depending on the year.

The spots that have multiple bowls are New ORleans (Sugar, New Orleans), the Miami area (Orange, Boca Raton, Miami Beach), Orlando (Citrus, Citrus II ACC vs Big 12, Cure), Dallas-Fort Worth (Cotton, Heart of Dallas, Military), and San Diego (Holiday, Poinsettia). Three mega-tourist destinations, a top-ten metropolitan area, and, um, San Diego.

Would Memphis be able to carry a second bowl?

Meanwhile, you have ACC-SEC bowls in Charlotte, Jacksonville (1/2), Nashville (1/2), and--Shreveport. So maybe a Florida location--do the SEC and ACC bigfoot the American out of Miami Beach? The Bahamas? (People make fun of that bowl, but who's mad about a trip to the Bahamas? Stadium size might be an issue, though.)

(01-21-2017 06:51 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  The bowl's worked great in Shreveport for 40 years. It's Shreveport's claim to fame so they always do an excellent job hosting and have built up a lot of history doing so.

Moving this game would be a disaster and guaranteed net negative, especially as another city's second bowl.

I don't think the Bowl itself would move, I think the SEC and ACC would drop out and the bowl becomes a G5 vs G5 game, while the lowest-tier ACC-SEC matchup moves to a more desirable location.

You forgot about Phoenix. (Fiesta and Cactus).

Memphis considered a second game for the 2008 season and pushed the idea to 2009 to interfere with the 50th anniversary of the bowl. They wanted Sun Belt vs. CUSA but were looking to start with Sun Belt vs. MAC but backed out because adding a game apparently caused some tension in the relationship with the SEC.
The New Orleans Bowl is run by the Greater New Orleans Sport Foundation because the Sugar Bowl committee felt it would create issues with the SEC.

Shreveport does a great job with the game, has some pretty good dining options for a city of that size and of course casinos for the folks who enjoy that.

(01-21-2017 09:25 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 06:51 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  The bowl's worked great in Shreveport for 40 years. It's Shreveport's claim to fame so they always do an excellent job hosting and have built up a lot of history doing so.

Moving this game would be a disaster and guaranteed net negative, especially as another city's second bowl.

I don't think the Bowl itself would move, I think the SEC and ACC would drop out and the bowl becomes a G5 vs G5 game, while the lowest-tier ACC-SEC matchup moves to a more desirable location.

The implication of that is that the ACC and SEC would take away a more attractive (and by that I mean lucrative) bowl that currently is going to G5 schools. Is there such a bowl?