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That foul on Thompson was called while Johnson literally had his forearm in JT's face.
01-20-2017 08:17 PM
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(01-20-2017 08:17 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  That foul on Thompson was called while Johnson literally had his forearm in JT's face.

That's how Akron has a 26 home game win streak.
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It is garbage.
Also, why did Steele come out? Seemed to be having a good second half.
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You've got to be kidding me! How is that a foul?!?!
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Nice little come back... with Steele back in. Too bad fell short.

Not a bad game, Single digit loss to Akron on the road is what I was expecting.

Refs sucked, while Lee, Mangum, and Thompson all had off games.
Akron's free throw shooting kept EMU in it.
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Glad that one is over. Had a chance to make it interesting at the end, but Akron was bailed out by two awful foul calls and some terrible shooting from Mangum. Why we weren't giving the ball to Thompson or Steele, I'll never know.
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EMU playing at Akron is like the Lions playing at Packers. Don't expect a win.
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(01-20-2017 08:38 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Glad that one is over. Had a chance to make it interesting at the end, but Akron was bailed out by two awful foul calls and some terrible shooting from Mangum. Why we weren't giving the ball to Thompson or Steele, I'll never know.

Yeah, that is a good point. When we need a bucket, give it to a big man. I think that is where EMU has the advantage over the MAC. We have 3 great guards but still...
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Not to mention that they had no real answer for Steele. He was too fast for big boy and too big for Cheatham. Murphy should've had the guards keep feeding him the ball either in the high post or near the basket.
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Baylee Steele with 10 points (5/6 shooting) and 8 rebounds. Really coming on...
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Toney with a real nice game too. 17 points (7/13 shooting) with 5 assists.

That is the nice thing about having 3 great guards, at least one of them will have a good game. In this case Toney kept EMU in the game.
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(01-20-2017 08:48 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Not to mention that they had no real answer for Steele. He was too fast for big boy and too big for Cheatham. Murphy should've had the guards keep feeding him the ball either in the high post or near the basket.

Great point again.

Also I find it peculiar that they made a little run with Steele in there around the beginning of the "fourth quarter". Then put in Madray. No knock on him, but they lost momentum. Wish they stuck with Steele. Wondering if he gets winded easily?
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(01-20-2017 08:56 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Toney with a real nice game too. 17 points (7/13 shooting) with 5 assists.

That is the nice thing about having 3 great guards, at least one of them will have a good game. In this case Toney kept EMU in the game.

Toney proves how valuable he is. Without him, we don't really have anyone that can get to the basket. Lee used to be able to do that, but hasn't shown it at all this year. Shame.
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#SilverLining : We played the toughest game on our schedule: @Akron.

The next one is or should have been @Ohio and that game is booked in the win column.

Good that we played them early in the schedule...
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(01-20-2017 09:24 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(01-20-2017 08:56 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Toney with a real nice game too. 17 points (7/13 shooting) with 5 assists.

That is the nice thing about having 3 great guards, at least one of them will have a good game. In this case Toney kept EMU in the game.

Toney proves how valuable he is. Without him, we don't really have anyone that can get to the basket. Lee used to be able to do that, but hasn't shown it at all this year. Shame.
Lee can get to the basketball better than anyone in the conference. When Lee is in the game the opposing team will have their best defender on him. After the suspension, his confidence has been reduced
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(01-20-2017 10:34 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(01-20-2017 09:24 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(01-20-2017 08:56 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Toney with a real nice game too. 17 points (7/13 shooting) with 5 assists.

That is the nice thing about having 3 great guards, at least one of them will have a good game. In this case Toney kept EMU in the game.

Toney proves how valuable he is. Without him, we don't really have anyone that can get to the basket. Lee used to be able to do that, but hasn't shown it at all this year. Shame.
Lee can get to the basketball better than anyone in the conference. When Lee is in the game the opposing team will have their best defender on him. After the suspension, his confidence has been reduced

He has been horrible at it this year. I agree with you, but it's "what have you done for me lately". Ray looks tentative and unsure of himself. Someone needs to remind him that he's a stud.
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(01-20-2017 10:34 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(01-20-2017 09:24 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(01-20-2017 08:56 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Toney with a real nice game too. 17 points (7/13 shooting) with 5 assists.

That is the nice thing about having 3 great guards, at least one of them will have a good game. In this case Toney kept EMU in the game.

Toney proves how valuable he is. Without him, we don't really have anyone that can get to the basket. Lee used to be able to do that, but hasn't shown it at all this year. Shame.
Lee can get to the basketball better than anyone in the conference. When Lee is in the game the opposing team will have their best defender on him. After the suspension, his confidence has been reduced

He was not that great prior the suspension and lets agree that lee suspension was due to him
01-21-2017 08:17 AM
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(01-21-2017 08:17 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-20-2017 10:34 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(01-20-2017 09:24 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(01-20-2017 08:56 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Toney with a real nice game too. 17 points (7/13 shooting) with 5 assists.

That is the nice thing about having 3 great guards, at least one of them will have a good game. In this case Toney kept EMU in the game.

Toney proves how valuable he is. Without him, we don't really have anyone that can get to the basket. Lee used to be able to do that, but hasn't shown it at all this year. Shame.
Lee can get to the basketball better than anyone in the conference. When Lee is in the game the opposing team will have their best defender on him. After the suspension, his confidence has been reduced

He was not that great prior the suspension and lets agree that lee suspension was due to him

Before the suspension, Lee was the team's leading scorer. Listen, I'm not defending his on court-off court antics, but there is no guard in the MAC conference with Lee's offensive talent. The unstructured offense is hurting Lee.

Murphy's offense allows 1 on 1 play, and if a player makes more than he misses, he can have the green light. Before the suspension, both Lee and Mangum were given the green light. This means if each of them want to shoot contested 30 footers, it is ok. If you make more than you miss or close to 50/50, then you can shoot anytime. Unfortunately Lee went into a bit of a slump and was yanked immediately if a couple shots were missed. The unstructured offense left Lee debating whether or not he is allowed to keep shooting and when he took a bad shot, he got benched. This has frustrated Lee. To that end, who can tell me the shooting percentage for Mangum the last three games? It's terrible, terrible, terrible and so is Lee's percentage.

Both Lee and Mangum are awesome talents! I would put both of them in the discussion as top 5 guards in the entire conference. The problem with both Lee and Mangum is that both are allowed to shoot 30 foot contested shots with 25 seconds on the clock (although I believe Murphy has turned Lee's light from green to yellow).

If EMU wants to improve, both Mangum and Lee must stop jacking up 25-30 foot contested jump shots ) because both of them are hurting the team when they do this.

At the WMU game, I watched Mangum rush his shot because he was heavily guarded. When he caught the ball it was going up if he were 30ft out, double teamed, or with 25 seconds on the shot clock. However, in the flow of the game, Toney and Bond drove to the basket, help defenders collapsed on them, and they kicked the ball out to Mangum for a wide open 3 point shot and Mangum drained both of them that gave us separation and demoralized WMU. This is how Mangum should be used!!!!


Mangum has really developed his game and much credit goes to him and the coaching staff. However, both Mangum and Lee need their green lights switched to atleast YELLOW. If Murphy makes that adjustment, we become more consistent and I believe a favorite to win the MAC!!

Go EMU Eagles!!
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EMU79, On what basis do you have to determine he "was due" his suspension?

Can't say for certain, but my sense is that Ray Lee has had a bum rap since early in his career here. All this might just be a "gang-up-on" mentality because somehow at some point he was given the scarlet letter- justified or not.
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(01-21-2017 01:01 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  EMU79, On what basis do you have to determine he "was due" his suspension?

Can't say for certain, but my sense is that Ray Lee has had a bum rap since early in his career here. All this might just be a "gang-up-on" mentality because somehow at some point he was given the scarlet letter- justified or not.

I am also wondering if this designation has rattled his confidence, and resulted in his inconsistent play this season as you guys are noting. (Note, he is still the second leading scorer on the team, and single handling took on Pitt in the double overtimes. So he has still been productive).

I am not second guessing Murphy, I give him a lot of credit for what he has accomplished. But I think Lee would have been a better fit at a different program- more utilized, more productive, more notoriety, and happier. Anyway, I suggest we lay off the Ray Lee bashing on this forum.
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