(02-08-2017 03:34 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 12:47 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 12:25 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 11:51 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Former NIU and Minnesota strength coach Eric Klein hired at UConn.

Would have huge to bring Klein back here. The best S&C Coach we've had at NIU, IMO.

I always thought that Eric Klein was one of the more important, if not the most important, cog in Jerry Kill's incredible success at multiple stops in his career.

Kill didn't have incredible success at NIU or Minnesota. Are you thinking of SIU?

Kill built the success that was the Orange Bowl team. Look at how many of his recruits were on that team. Doeren's classes on the other hand weren't that good. he came in late on his first class and bailed on his second.

I'm always amazed how much love Novak gets, who has a career losing record and could never beat Toledo, and Doeren who reaped the benefits of others recruits and yet people rip on Kill?

(02-08-2017 08:30 PM)golf4501 Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 03:34 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 12:47 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 12:25 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 11:51 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Former NIU and Minnesota strength coach Eric Klein hired at UConn.

Would have huge to bring Klein back here. The best S&C Coach we've had at NIU, IMO.

I always thought that Eric Klein was one of the more important, if not the most important, cog in Jerry Kill's incredible success at multiple stops in his career.

Kill didn't have incredible success at NIU or Minnesota. Are you thinking of SIU?

Kill built the success that was the Orange Bowl team. Look at how many of his recruits were on that team. Doeren's classes on the other hand weren't that good. he came in late on his first class and bailed on his second.

I'm always amazed how much love Novak gets, who has a career losing record and could never beat Toledo, and Doeren who reaped the benefits of others recruits and yet people rip on Kill?

Novak built them from the ground up, that's why. He deserves the credit of building them to respectability. No other NIU coach has had a season when they beat 13th ranked Maryland, BAMA, and Iowa State in the same season. He brought them a long way from being the laughing stock of college football. The foundation remember?

Crazy thought: Novak, Kill, and Doeren were all good coaches

(02-08-2017 08:30 PM)golf4501 Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 03:34 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 12:47 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 12:25 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 11:51 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Former NIU and Minnesota strength coach Eric Klein hired at UConn.

Would have huge to bring Klein back here. The best S&C Coach we've had at NIU, IMO.

I always thought that Eric Klein was one of the more important, if not the most important, cog in Jerry Kill's incredible success at multiple stops in his career.

Kill didn't have incredible success at NIU or Minnesota. Are you thinking of SIU?

Kill built the success that was the Orange Bowl team. Look at how many of his recruits were on that team. Doeren's classes on the other hand weren't that good. he came in late on his first class and bailed on his second.

I'm always amazed how much love Novak gets, who has a career losing record and could never beat Toledo, and Doeren who reaped the benefits of others recruits and yet people rip on Kill?

I will always think of Kill as someone who kept the seat warm and maintained status quo, and a bridge between Novak and Doeren. Not a horrible coach, but he certainly did not elevate the program like Novak and Doeren did.

(02-08-2017 11:59 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 08:30 PM)golf4501 Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 03:34 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 12:47 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 12:25 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  Would have huge to bring Klein back here. The best S&C Coach we've had at NIU, IMO.

I always thought that Eric Klein was one of the more important, if not the most important, cog in Jerry Kill's incredible success at multiple stops in his career.

Kill didn't have incredible success at NIU or Minnesota. Are you thinking of SIU?

Kill built the success that was the Orange Bowl team. Look at how many of his recruits were on that team. Doeren's classes on the other hand weren't that good. he came in late on his first class and bailed on his second.

I'm always amazed how much love Novak gets, who has a career losing record and could never beat Toledo, and Doeren who reaped the benefits of others recruits and yet people rip on Kill?

I will always think of Kill as someone who kept the seat warm and maintained status quo, and a bridge between Novak and Doeren. Not a horrible coach, but he certainly did not elevate the program like Novak and Doeren did.

Disagree for 1 HUGE reason...recruiting. Kill is the one that brought in all the studs that Doeren won with. Doeren left before he really even had success with his own guys. Say what you want about who the best coach was, but Kill was easily the best recruiter and that what ended up turning the tide for the program and started this run that we've been on post Novak.

(02-08-2017 09:34 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Crazy thought: Novak, Kill, and Doeren were all good coaches

Naaaaah lol

Who was Kill's Recruiting Coordinator?

Doeren was the luckiest coach ever to pass through DeKalb. He inherited a loaded roster (Chandler Harnish, Jordan Lynch, Martel Moore, Cam Stingily, Rashaan Melvin, Jimmie Ward, Akeem Daniels, Trevor Olson, Logan Pegram, Scott Wedige, Tyler Loos, Nathan Palmer, Jason Schepler, Alan Baxter, Sean Progar, Joe Windsor, Nabal Jefferson, Da'Ron Brown, Jamaal Bass, Perez Ashford, Willie Clark), got a ton of breaks in games, and parlayed that into a multi-million dollar gig before having to deal with his own so-so recruiting at NIU. He wasn't a bad coach but he wasn't a great one either and his record at NIU could easily have been much worse than it was.

To me Kill, for his great recruiting, and Novak, for starting the program and leaving that loaded 2007 recruiting class, were well above Doeren.

Doeren gets credit because we finally won the MACC. Twice in 2 years. The only time we won after that, even with a strong team, was when we beat a Matt-Johnson-less BG team. And it was 1983 before that. And of course, we won a bowl game.

Kill recruited well but IIRC he didn't recruit Harnish, who was the biggest differentiator between winning a MAC and just getting close to winning it. And a lot of guys that Kill won with were still Novak's recruits from 3 years before. Though I agree that we don't know how good Doeren really was after only 2 years, and I'm not arguing against Kill being a good coach.

(02-09-2017 10:27 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Doeren was the luckiest coach ever to pass through DeKalb. He inherited a loaded roster (Chandler Harnish, Jordan Lynch, Martel Moore, Cam Stingily, Rashaan Melvin, Jimmie Ward, Akeem Daniels, Trevor Olson, Logan Pegram, Scott Wedige, Tyler Loos, Nathan Palmer, Jason Schepler, Alan Baxter, Sean Progar, Joe Windsor, Nabal Jefferson, Da'Ron Brown, Jamaal Bass, Perez Ashford, Willie Clark), got a ton of breaks in games, and parlayed that into a multi-million dollar gig before having to deal with his own so-so recruiting at NIU. He wasn't a bad coach but he wasn't a great one either and his record at NIU could easily have been much worse than it was.

To me Kill, for his great recruiting, and Novak, for starting the program and leaving that loaded 2007 recruiting class, were well above Doeren.

I'd say Doeren was put into a great position, but lets not act like everything was given to the man. He still had to coach up the team, and Doeren was the best in game manager I have seen on the sidelines for NIU since I began following the football team. There were multiple games during his tenure at NIU where most teams would have lost but he was able to make adjustments that ended up with NIU winning (2011 MAC Championship).

(02-09-2017 10:36 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Doeren gets credit because we finally won the MACC. Twice in 2 years. The only time we won after that, even with a strong team, was when we beat a Matt-Johnson-less BG team. And it was 1983 before that. And of course, we won a bowl game.

Kill recruited well but IIRC he didn't recruit Harnish, who was the biggest differentiator between winning a MAC and just getting close to winning it. And a lot of guys that Kill won with were still Novak's recruits from 3 years before. Though I agree that we don't know how good Doeren really was after only 2 years, and I'm not arguing against Kill being a good coach.

He did recruit Jordan Lynch though.

(02-09-2017 10:45 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 10:36 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Doeren gets credit because we finally won the MACC. Twice in 2 years. The only time we won after that, even with a strong team, was when we beat a Matt-Johnson-less BG team. And it was 1983 before that. And of course, we won a bowl game.

Kill recruited well but IIRC he didn't recruit Harnish, who was the biggest differentiator between winning a MAC and just getting close to winning it. And a lot of guys that Kill won with were still Novak's recruits from 3 years before. Though I agree that we don't know how good Doeren really was after only 2 years, and I'm not arguing against Kill being a good coach.

He did recruit Jordan Lynch though.

From what I remember someone saying on this board, Lynch's HS coach had to call up Kill and push Lynch as a possible recruit.

(02-09-2017 11:00 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 10:45 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 10:36 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Doeren gets credit because we finally won the MACC. Twice in 2 years. The only time we won after that, even with a strong team, was when we beat a Matt-Johnson-less BG team. And it was 1983 before that. And of course, we won a bowl game.

Kill recruited well but IIRC he didn't recruit Harnish, who was the biggest differentiator between winning a MAC and just getting close to winning it. And a lot of guys that Kill won with were still Novak's recruits from 3 years before. Though I agree that we don't know how good Doeren really was after only 2 years, and I'm not arguing against Kill being a good coach.

He did recruit Jordan Lynch though.

From what I remember someone saying on this board, Lynch's HS coach had to call up Kill and push Lynch as a possible recruit.

That's how a lot of recruitments are done. Having the relationship with the HS coach who picks up the phone thinking "Coach Kill will do right by this kid," is what allowed that to happen.

Also had to trust the coach and Lynch enough to stick with him at QB, whereas everyone else wanted him at safety.

I think let's just say all 3 are good coaches, yay coaches!

(02-09-2017 12:52 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  Also had to trust the coach and Lynch enough to stick with him at QB, whereas everyone else wanted him at safety.

I think let's just say all 3 are good coaches, yay coaches!

Mostly because he fit better as a QB in our offense than he did in most other offenses.

(02-09-2017 02:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 12:52 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  Also had to trust the coach and Lynch enough to stick with him at QB, whereas everyone else wanted him at safety.

I think let's just say all 3 are good coaches, yay coaches!

Mostly because he fit better as a QB in our offense than he did in most other offenses.

In Doeren's offense he did?l. In Kill's offense, though? Not really.

(02-09-2017 03:58 PM)7 Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 02:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 12:52 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  Also had to trust the coach and Lynch enough to stick with him at QB, whereas everyone else wanted him at safety.

I think let's just say all 3 are good coaches, yay coaches!

Mostly because he fit better as a QB in our offense than he did in most other offenses.

In Doeren's offense he did?l. In Kill's offense, though? Not really.

Even Harnish ran the ball a heck of a lot more under Kill than the QB would in the vast majority of college offenses. He ran even more under Doeren, but still. Most teams are looking for a passer-first guy.

(02-09-2017 10:44 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 10:27 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Doeren was the luckiest coach ever to pass through DeKalb. He inherited a loaded roster (Chandler Harnish, Jordan Lynch, Martel Moore, Cam Stingily, Rashaan Melvin, Jimmie Ward, Akeem Daniels, Trevor Olson, Logan Pegram, Scott Wedige, Tyler Loos, Nathan Palmer, Jason Schepler, Alan Baxter, Sean Progar, Joe Windsor, Nabal Jefferson, Da'Ron Brown, Jamaal Bass, Perez Ashford, Willie Clark), got a ton of breaks in games, and parlayed that into a multi-million dollar gig before having to deal with his own so-so recruiting at NIU. He wasn't a bad coach but he wasn't a great one either and his record at NIU could easily have been much worse than it was.

To me Kill, for his great recruiting, and Novak, for starting the program and leaving that loaded 2007 recruiting class, were well above Doeren.

I'd say Doeren was put into a great position, but lets not act like everything was given to the man. He still had to coach up the team, and Doeren was the best in game manager I have seen on the sidelines for NIU since I began following the football team. There were multiple games during his tenure at NIU where most teams would have lost but he was able to make adjustments that ended up with NIU winning (2011 MAC Championship).

I agree on DD being the best game manager and that is saying something because Kill was also very good. That SIÙ game when he was still there was impressive. The Purdue and the circle route to the fullback (Kyle). Both very good in tight games.

(02-09-2017 10:45 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 10:36 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Doeren gets credit because we finally won the MACC. Twice in 2 years. The only time we won after that, even with a strong team, was when we beat a Matt-Johnson-less BG team. And it was 1983 before that. And of course, we won a bowl game.

Kill recruited well but IIRC he didn't recruit Harnish, who was the biggest differentiator between winning a MAC and just getting close to winning it. And a lot of guys that Kill won with were still Novak's recruits from 3 years before. Though I agree that we don't know how good Doeren really was after only 2 years, and I'm not arguing against Kill being a good coach.

He did recruit Jordan Lynch though.

...actually the MT Carmel Head Coach told PJ that NIU should take Lynch.

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