(02-15-2017 09:43 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 06:53 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 04:45 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 04:34 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  You would have to lug goals up and down the access ramps every practice. That's not practical.

I just assumed this was what happened. Never attended a bball practice. You're telling me there's literally one court (2 hoops) for both basketball teams on-campus that we use for practices? I just assumed they brought down portable goals to make better use of the space for practices. While it's a pain, I'm more surprised that the teams DON'T do this. I assumed they did.

Hyper, this is my understanding as well. The practice situation is horrendous.

For a couple hundred grand we could get a tennis bubble and cover several practice courts right next to the convo.

I know it's not perfect but couldn't they practice at one of the 3 multi activity centers (2 courts each) or one of the 2 sports forums at UREC right next door?

Cost: $0

(02-15-2017 10:23 PM)JMUETC Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 09:43 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 06:53 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 04:45 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 04:34 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  You would have to lug goals up and down the access ramps every practice. That's not practical.

I just assumed this was what happened. Never attended a bball practice. You're telling me there's literally one court (2 hoops) for both basketball teams on-campus that we use for practices? I just assumed they brought down portable goals to make better use of the space for practices. While it's a pain, I'm more surprised that the teams DON'T do this. I assumed they did.

Hyper, this is my understanding as well. The practice situation is horrendous.

For a couple hundred grand we could get a tennis bubble and cover several practice courts right next to the convo.

I know it's not perfect but couldn't they practice at one of the 3 multi activity centers (2 courts each) or one of the 2 sports forums at UREC right next door?

Cost: $0

I think the provisions with the state funding will not allow UREC to be used for NCAA teams. Not positive on this.

I'm pretty sure that they collapse the bleachers on the one side of the Convo to create a practice court with extra goals. They probably don't do this every time though.

(02-16-2017 08:48 AM)DUKES NOW Wrote:  I'm pretty sure that they collapse the bleachers on the one side of the Convo to create a practice court with extra goals. They probably don't do this every time though.

This is what they do during the summer camps for the girls. They have quite a few goals going at once. I have no idea if this is feasible during the school year or what. FYI Coach O runs a great camp if you have a girl of that age who's interested.

(02-16-2017 02:06 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 10:23 PM)JMUETC Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 09:43 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 06:53 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 04:45 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I just assumed this was what happened. Never attended a bball practice. You're telling me there's literally one court (2 hoops) for both basketball teams on-campus that we use for practices? I just assumed they brought down portable goals to make better use of the space for practices. While it's a pain, I'm more surprised that the teams DON'T do this. I assumed they did.

Hyper, this is my understanding as well. The practice situation is horrendous.

For a couple hundred grand we could get a tennis bubble and cover several practice courts right next to the convo.

I know it's not perfect but couldn't they practice at one of the 3 multi activity centers (2 courts each) or one of the 2 sports forums at UREC right next door?

Cost: $0

I think the provisions with the state funding will not allow UREC to be used for NCAA teams. Not positive on this.

This wouldn't surprise me, but I find it funny.

One driver for a new arena is better practice space. Meanwhile, 8 new courts were built 200 yards away from the Convo but they can't be used because of some crazy funding rule. Now I get the issue. These facilities would be funded as student facilities and would potentially be monopolized by the NCAA teams.

Just seems silly to me. Perhaps a waiver for certain times and limited use? When do the hoops teams (men and women) usually practice?

(02-15-2017 06:57 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  JMU showing they will reward good coaches who run a clean program and graduate student athletes.

How does this statement align with Kenny Brooks' departure?

And be prepared for me to get my flame-thrower out if the answer is: "JMU could never keep Kenny from going to a P5 school" because that's nonsense & will be treated like nonsense!

I've never been to a basketball practice. I'm simply telling you what was conveyed to me by the coaches themselves at the coaches' caravan. I forget the reason they gave, but it is correct, they cannot use the URec goals for practice. Maybe BSKB has more info on this. Mine is limited to what I have provided.

(02-16-2017 10:21 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  I've never been to a basketball practice. I'm simply telling you what was conveyed to me by the coaches themselves at the coaches' caravan. I forget the reason they gave, but it is correct, they cannot use the URec goals for practice. Maybe BSKB has more info on this. Mine is limited to what I have provided.

Don't disagree with this, but this is similar to a lot of other schools, GMU for example. They only have the Pat center floor space to practice on and need to bring in extra goals for practice. True they don't need to move them down ramps, but it is still a similar issue. Lack of a practice facility was one of the reasons that Larranaga left.

To just bring it slightly back to topic, does the football team still practice on the grass field behind the old baseball field? Super inconvenient to get dressed in APC and schlep over there, but they make it work.

Yeah, Larranaga got promised upgrades that never materialized. So he bolted to Miami. Quite successfully!

(02-15-2017 06:26 PM)91Alum Wrote:  A) I'd say we "deserve" a lot of things. A new building for the College of Business for starters. How about better living facilities for our students than the crap Village? Can we give a facelift to Eagle while we're at it? It's such an eyesore and it's right there in plain view of 81. Yech.

Would I like a new Convo? Sure. Do we need a new Convo? Not for where we appear to be for the foreseeable future. Serious questions: (i) who in the CAA has a better facility, and (ii) if we are not leaving the CAA, why exactly do we "deserve" better?

B) Other conferences can consider us all they want. We're not considering them. Hence the lack of a need to spend $88M so we can sell the same number of bball tickets we sell today, and maybe host a Travis Tritt concert and a tractor show now and then. We'd have an $88M facility and a $260K coach. We've done nothing on either side of the hoops program in terms of financial support to show we're actually committed to winning, which in my mind makes the new facility a vanity project pure and simple.

But what do I know?

To answer your last question first, apparently not much.

A major COB expansion is in the works, and it will address what is seen from I-81.

A tear-down and rebuild of the Village is coming. It's all part of the JMU Master Plan.

Also, a "new Convo" isn't what's being built, it's an arena.

Sure will be glad when the arena is built too so we can stop this bickering about it.

(02-16-2017 01:51 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 06:26 PM)91Alum Wrote:  A) I'd say we "deserve" a lot of things. A new building for the College of Business for starters. How about better living facilities for our students than the crap Village? Can we give a facelift to Eagle while we're at it? It's such an eyesore and it's right there in plain view of 81. Yech.

Would I like a new Convo? Sure. Do we need a new Convo? Not for where we appear to be for the foreseeable future. Serious questions: (i) who in the CAA has a better facility, and (ii) if we are not leaving the CAA, why exactly do we "deserve" better?

B) Other conferences can consider us all they want. We're not considering them. Hence the lack of a need to spend $88M so we can sell the same number of bball tickets we sell today, and maybe host a Travis Tritt concert and a tractor show now and then. We'd have an $88M facility and a $260K coach. We've done nothing on either side of the hoops program in terms of financial support to show we're actually committed to winning, which in my mind makes the new facility a vanity project pure and simple.

But what do I know?

To answer your last question first, apparently not much.

A major COB expansion is in the works, and it will address what is seen from I-81.

A tear-down and rebuild of the Village is coming. It's all part of the JMU Master Plan.

Also, a "new Convo" isn't what's being built, it's an arena.

Sure will be glad when the arena is built too so we can stop this bickering about it.

You really are insufferable. I am fully aware that all those things are "in the works" (except the Eagle facelift, which will not be addressed by the COB building to my knowledge). That's why I listed them. My question/concern is one of priorities. What are the more pressing needs for us as a University?

In my view, the "new arena" is the least of those needs. Here's some food for thought: in all of D1, a total of 13 new basketball arenas have been built since 2010. The vast majority of D1 arenas were built before 1982 (when Convo went up). It just doesn't seem like most schools view this as a huge priority for capital investment. Why do we?

Looking specifically at the CAA, the arenas are as follows (with capacity and year they were built):

Towson (SECU Arena) / 5,200 / 2013
Charleston (TD Arena) / 5,100 / 2008
Hofstra (Hofstra Arena) / 5,124 / 2000
Delaware (Carpenter Center) / 5,000 / 1992
JMU (Convocation Ctr) / 7,156 / 1982
UNCW (Trask Colosseum) / 5,500 / 1977
Drexel (Daskalakis Ctr) / 2,509 / 1974
W&M (Kaplan Arena) / 8,600 / 1971
Elon (Alumni Gym) / 1,585 / 1949
Northeastern (Matthews Arena) / 6,000 / 1910

The Convo has the second largest capacity, and is middle of the CAA pack in terms of age. I (and the vast majority of college administrations, it seems) see no reason at all to spend $88M on this non-issue.

Source

(02-16-2017 02:33 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 01:51 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 06:26 PM)91Alum Wrote:  A) I'd say we "deserve" a lot of things. A new building for the College of Business for starters. How about better living facilities for our students than the crap Village? Can we give a facelift to Eagle while we're at it? It's such an eyesore and it's right there in plain view of 81. Yech.

Would I like a new Convo? Sure. Do we need a new Convo? Not for where we appear to be for the foreseeable future. Serious questions: (i) who in the CAA has a better facility, and (ii) if we are not leaving the CAA, why exactly do we "deserve" better?

B) Other conferences can consider us all they want. We're not considering them. Hence the lack of a need to spend $88M so we can sell the same number of bball tickets we sell today, and maybe host a Travis Tritt concert and a tractor show now and then. We'd have an $88M facility and a $260K coach. We've done nothing on either side of the hoops program in terms of financial support to show we're actually committed to winning, which in my mind makes the new facility a vanity project pure and simple.

But what do I know?

To answer your last question first, apparently not much.

A major COB expansion is in the works, and it will address what is seen from I-81.

A tear-down and rebuild of the Village is coming. It's all part of the JMU Master Plan.

Also, a "new Convo" isn't what's being built, it's an arena.

Sure will be glad when the arena is built too so we can stop this bickering about it.

You really are insufferable. I am fully aware that all those things are "in the works" (except the Eagle facelift, which will not be addressed by the COB building to my knowledge). That's why I listed them. My question/concern is one of priorities. What are the more pressing needs for us as a University?

In my view, the "new arena" is the least of those needs. Here's some food for thought: in all of D1, a total of 13 new basketball arenas have been built since 2010. The vast majority of D1 arenas were built before 1982 (when Convo went up). It just doesn't seem like most schools view this as a huge priority for capital investment. Why do we?

Looking specifically at the CAA, the arenas are as follows (with capacity and year they were built):

Towson (SECU Arena) / 5,200 / 2013
Charleston (TD Arena) / 5,100 / 2008
Hofstra (Hofstra Arena) / 5,124 / 2000
Delaware (Carpenter Center) / 5,000 / 1992
JMU (Convocation Ctr) / 7,156 / 1982
UNCW (Trask Colosseum) / 5,500 / 1977
Drexel (Daskalakis Ctr) / 2,509 / 1974
W&M (Kaplan Arena) / 8,600 / 1971
Elon (Alumni Gym) / 1,585 / 1949
Northeastern (Matthews Arena) / 6,000 / 1910

The Convo has the second largest capacity, and is middle of the CAA pack in terms of age. I (and the vast majority of college administrations, it seems) see no reason at all to spend $88M on this non-issue.

Source

Sorry, not sorry for calling you out.

The justifications for building a new arena are many and have been explored and explained on these boards ad nauseam. I believe if you'll review those justifications with an open mind they have little to do with seating capacity.

Bottom line, those in control don't agree with your take on this priority, and neither do I. Again, the sooner this project finally gets built (and the start is quite near) the better. Then you can move on to questioning other priorities.

lol at building a bubble over a practice court. Hoping you were being sarcastic but that kind of short-sighted thinking is what hurts you in the long run.

Let's get this new arena built already.

(02-16-2017 06:08 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 02:33 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 01:51 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 06:26 PM)91Alum Wrote:  A) I'd say we "deserve" a lot of things. A new building for the College of Business for starters. How about better living facilities for our students than the crap Village? Can we give a facelift to Eagle while we're at it? It's such an eyesore and it's right there in plain view of 81. Yech.

Would I like a new Convo? Sure. Do we need a new Convo? Not for where we appear to be for the foreseeable future. Serious questions: (i) who in the CAA has a better facility, and (ii) if we are not leaving the CAA, why exactly do we "deserve" better?

B) Other conferences can consider us all they want. We're not considering them. Hence the lack of a need to spend $88M so we can sell the same number of bball tickets we sell today, and maybe host a Travis Tritt concert and a tractor show now and then. We'd have an $88M facility and a $260K coach. We've done nothing on either side of the hoops program in terms of financial support to show we're actually committed to winning, which in my mind makes the new facility a vanity project pure and simple.

But what do I know?

To answer your last question first, apparently not much.

A major COB expansion is in the works, and it will address what is seen from I-81.

A tear-down and rebuild of the Village is coming. It's all part of the JMU Master Plan.

Also, a "new Convo" isn't what's being built, it's an arena.

Sure will be glad when the arena is built too so we can stop this bickering about it.

You really are insufferable. I am fully aware that all those things are "in the works" (except the Eagle facelift, which will not be addressed by the COB building to my knowledge). That's why I listed them. My question/concern is one of priorities. What are the more pressing needs for us as a University?

In my view, the "new arena" is the least of those needs. Here's some food for thought: in all of D1, a total of 13 new basketball arenas have been built since 2010. The vast majority of D1 arenas were built before 1982 (when Convo went up). It just doesn't seem like most schools view this as a huge priority for capital investment. Why do we?

Looking specifically at the CAA, the arenas are as follows (with capacity and year they were built):

Towson (SECU Arena) / 5,200 / 2013
Charleston (TD Arena) / 5,100 / 2008
Hofstra (Hofstra Arena) / 5,124 / 2000
Delaware (Carpenter Center) / 5,000 / 1992
JMU (Convocation Ctr) / 7,156 / 1982
UNCW (Trask Colosseum) / 5,500 / 1977
Drexel (Daskalakis Ctr) / 2,509 / 1974
W&M (Kaplan Arena) / 8,600 / 1971
Elon (Alumni Gym) / 1,585 / 1949
Northeastern (Matthews Arena) / 6,000 / 1910

The Convo has the second largest capacity, and is middle of the CAA pack in terms of age. I (and the vast majority of college administrations, it seems) see no reason at all to spend $88M on this non-issue.

Source

Sorry, not sorry for calling you out.

The justifications for building a new arena are many and have been explored and explained on these boards ad nauseam. I believe if you'll review those justifications with an open mind they have little to do with seating capacity.

Bottom line, those in control don't agree with your take on this priority, and neither do I. Again, the sooner this project finally gets built (and the start is quite near) the better. Then you can move on to questioning other priorities.

LOL. "Calling me out"? We disagree, and that's fine. I gave several facts to support my position, all of which you ignored or didn't address. Instinctively, you went to your stand-by of insults and name-calling. But fine, call me out (whatever that means). Enjoy that Travis Tritt concert.

On a side note, I find it amazing that a JMU faculty member has so much free time to be posting on these boards at all times of the day. You're a prime example of the smug, pompous administrative bloat that's ruining higher ed.

(02-17-2017 07:26 AM)91Alum Wrote:  ...Instinctively, you went to your stand-by of insults and name-calling. ...


... You're a prime example of the smug, pompous administrative bloat that's ruining higher ed.

This is a good way to win arguments

(02-17-2017 09:11 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 07:26 AM)91Alum Wrote:  ...Instinctively, you went to your stand-by of insults and name-calling. ...


... You're a prime example of the smug, pompous administrative bloat that's ruining higher ed.

This is a good way to win arguments

91 apparently doesn't know what qualifies as an insult or name calling.

How did a thread on Extensions and increases for the football coaches get stuck on the Convo?

(02-17-2017 08:18 PM)Dukester Wrote:  How did a thread on Extensions and increases for the football coaches get stuck on the Convo?

I think money is the common denominator.