(01-20-2017 11:45 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:56 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  NMZOrange gets it, Fighting Muskie gets it, but you still don't get it, DavidSt!!! Not all state schools can afford football either!!! The state has s limited amount of $$'s to work with to begin with, and then you got to deal with the NIMBYs too!!!

A lot of schools to be honest are using football to get themselves into a better conference.

Buffalo was able to get an invite up to an FBS conference because they had a football team while Charlotte was stuck in a non-FBS conference for years until they made the decision to add football.

FBS conferences bring in TV revenue, be it CFP or conference deals neither of which you get in FCS or without football. It also gives the potential of hosting more established FBS schools to generate gate revenue. Larger marketing deals ect.

Where it becomes a bad for a G5 is when they go into debt for big ticket items and 3 million a year in coaching salaries to compete with elite P5 schools. A competition which will never ultimately happen.

Private schools in nice TV markets can build by signing local TV deals in a way their state school counterpart e.g. Southwestern Oregon State sitting 50 miles from town can't. Build revenue and support with a local TV deal then move up the basketball conference food chain. Move to DII and give the WAC a call to bring that shiny new arena to a DI conference.

For a small market state school though, starting a football program is your only hope of getting into a conference with a national TV deal.

Montevallo the state school listed by the OP hasn't found a DI conference yet which to me is the defining mark of a basketball only strategy working.

Basically , I just want my alma mater to move up to I-A. I wouldn't mind the occasional national tv presence, but it's not necessary! There is no room to put down a football field on the campus. None!!! But the U of Montevallo does have an excellent academic reputation, even better than Troy or even the U of Alabama, I might add. One of its peers is UNC-Pembroke, which to me, is nothing to sneeze at. Montevallo does have selective admissions,....

(01-20-2017 04:09 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(01-20-2017 11:45 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:56 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  NMZOrange gets it, Fighting Muskie gets it, but you still don't get it, DavidSt!!! Not all state schools can afford football either!!! The state has s limited amount of $$'s to work with to begin with, and then you got to deal with the NIMBYs too!!!

A lot of schools to be honest are using football to get themselves into a better conference.

Buffalo was able to get an invite up to an FBS conference because they had a football team while Charlotte was stuck in a non-FBS conference for years until they made the decision to add football.

FBS conferences bring in TV revenue, be it CFP or conference deals neither of which you get in FCS or without football. It also gives the potential of hosting more established FBS schools to generate gate revenue. Larger marketing deals ect.

Where it becomes a bad for a G5 is when they go into debt for big ticket items and 3 million a year in coaching salaries to compete with elite P5 schools. A competition which will never ultimately happen.

Private schools in nice TV markets can build by signing local TV deals in a way their state school counterpart e.g. Southwestern Oregon State sitting 50 miles from town can't. Build revenue and support with a local TV deal then move up the basketball conference food chain. Move to DII and give the WAC a call to bring that shiny new arena to a DI conference.

For a small market state school though, starting a football program is your only hope of getting into a conference with a national TV deal.

Montevallo the state school listed by the OP hasn't found a DI conference yet which to me is the defining mark of a basketball only strategy working.

Basically , I just want my alma mater to move up to I-A. I wouldn't mind the occasional national tv presence, but it's not necessary! There is no room to put down a football field on the campus. None!!! But the U of Montevallo does have an excellent academic reputation, even better than Troy or even the U of Alabama, I might add. One of its peers is UNC-Pembroke, which to me, is nothing to sneeze at. Montevallo does have selective admissions,....

Right. Not everyone wants to go to school on a land grant campus where they have to drive to class.

That is what some of these P5er's can't understand, you are paying for a 4 year experience.

The only way to get away from the disputes between football and non-football schools is by the football schools leaving the non-football schools behind and formed their own organization. Imaging the football schools have their own men's basketball tournaments without the Big Least like Villanova? I think the P5, G5 and FCS schools and some D2 schools can make a threat and see how many schools will scramble to add football to stay with them. As some of the ADs at the California Big West schools have said in interviews, they may need to add football just to stay with the FBS crowd to keep up with them since some of their schools do compete as an affiliates with the PAC 12.

Readin writin and rithmatic...or some such nonsense.

Cheers!

CFB that enriches the lives of students and brings a school together is good.

CFB that brings money into a school and shows it off is good.

CFB that's paid for by tuition dollars from 18 year old kids without a solid concept of money, who don't know what they're buying is bad.

CFB isn't always the make all, break all for a school, and there are plants of great schools where it doesn't make sense - at least not at a high level. And, many of those schools can make meaningful athletic contributions to their respective conferences without CFB.

(01-20-2017 11:01 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-20-2017 08:38 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Is this an AA meeting for non-football schools:

Hey my name is (insert name) and I go to a non-football school, but that is ok because.................

The jokes on the AAC schools who have poured 10's of millions into football when they'll never be elite.

It doesn't mean they can't join the P5 or make the playoff but even if they do they'll lose their HC to one of the 25-30 college football programs that put 70,000 fans in the stands. T Shirt level football programs where the whole state is watching you on Saturday.

Not sure where you are from but ECU is that school in NC our football fan base in state is equal or larger then anyone in state except for maybe UNC who is slowly fading away. NC State and ECU are the football schools in the state of NC. App State to their credit are starting to throw their hat in the ring, but still are a smaller program but growing.