Maddie could never handle the work load that Lynch went through in a season, but from a production stand point the two are incredibly similar.

Maddies 2016 stats modified to the same # of attempts as Lynch in 2013:

Maddie - passing 2,802 yds. 19 tds. 12 int.
JLynch - passing 2,892 yds. 24 tds. 08 int.

Maddie - rushing 1,986 yds. 25 tds.
JLynch - rushing 1,920 yds. 23 tds.

Wow, astonishing. I know it's hypothetical but interesting find.

I do believe if Maddie was a three or even two year starter he'd receive respect similar to that of Harnish. Def different players but similar outlook. Maddie never had significant playing time and likely didn't expect to play a down at qb this year and was very productive. Exactly what our system was built for.

If you look at 2014 season with the three backs, after northwestern he was never really given a shot and by no means looked bad at northwestern. I would love to see him come into 2017 with the ones and let the younger guys develop a year. That way 2018 has santa a junior, Hall a redshirt and maybe a surprise. Plenty of ready options.

(01-18-2017 04:44 PM)Suptroop Wrote:  I do believe if Maddie was a three or even two year starter he'd receive respect similar to that of Harnish. Def different players but similar outlook. Maddie never had significant playing time and likely didn't expect to play a down at qb this year and was very productive. Exactly what our system was built for.

If you look at 2014 season with the three backs, after northwestern he was never really given a shot and by no means looked bad at northwestern. I would love to see him come into 2017 with the ones and let the younger guys develop a year. That way 2018 has santa a junior, Hall a redshirt and maybe a surprise. Plenty of ready options.

Does anybody know how Maddie is doing in his recovery from injury? I hope it's something that doesn't linger into next season where he would be hesitant to run.

(01-18-2017 02:57 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Maddie could never handle the work load that Lynch went through in a season, but from a production stand point the two are incredibly similar.

Maddies 2016 stats modified to the same # of attempts as Lynch in 2013:

Maddie - passing 2,802 yds. 19 tds. 12 int.
JLynch - passing 2,892 yds. 24 tds. 08 int.

Maddie - rushing 1,986 yds. 25 tds.
JLynch - rushing 1,920 yds. 23 tds.

Please stop. Workload and production go hand in hand. The actual difference is about 3,000 yards, or about 2/3 of a season. And about 7 wins---again, about 2/3 of a season.

It's fun to play with numbers, but let's be realistic.

(01-18-2017 05:27 PM)JoeNovak Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 04:44 PM)Suptroop Wrote:  I do believe if Maddie was a three or even two year starter he'd receive respect similar to that of Harnish. Def different players but similar outlook. Maddie never had significant playing time and likely didn't expect to play a down at qb this year and was very productive. Exactly what our system was built for.

If you look at 2014 season with the three backs, after northwestern he was never really given a shot and by no means looked bad at northwestern. I would love to see him come into 2017 with the ones and let the younger guys develop a year. That way 2018 has santa a junior, Hall a redshirt and maybe a surprise. Plenty of ready options.

Does anybody know how Maddie is doing in his recovery from injury? I hope it's something that doesn't linger into next season where he would be hesitant to run.

Maddie was a senior and is done unless I missed something and he was somehow granted a medical redshirt.

(01-19-2017 01:40 AM)Dtownboys Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 05:27 PM)JoeNovak Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 04:44 PM)Suptroop Wrote:  I do believe if Maddie was a three or even two year starter he'd receive respect similar to that of Harnish. Def different players but similar outlook. Maddie never had significant playing time and likely didn't expect to play a down at qb this year and was very productive. Exactly what our system was built for.

If you look at 2014 season with the three backs, after northwestern he was never really given a shot and by no means looked bad at northwestern. I would love to see him come into 2017 with the ones and let the younger guys develop a year. That way 2018 has santa a junior, Hall a redshirt and maybe a surprise. Plenty of ready options.

Does anybody know how Maddie is doing in his recovery from injury? I hope it's something that doesn't linger into next season where he would be hesitant to run.

Maddie was a senior and is done unless I missed something and he was somehow granted a medical redshirt.

Only speculation on the board, but the thought is he will get a MR. Somebody mentioned he is registered for classes this spring, which could support that. Nothing official, though.

I'm as optimistic about Maddie as anyone but "cmon man" lol


Lynch is one of the best to ever play college football. If Maddie can be even 75% Lynch next year, we should have success.

Not insinuating Maddie can be Lynch, just that his style of play is closer to Lynch in what it produces. Lynch being the overwhelming focus of the offense gave him an incredible amount of touches. Just giving the other QBs a chance to be in that position, even though they never would be because they aren't like Jordan. I'm completely aware the situation dictates how the QB is used. This is all just for fun.


Same multiplier used to equal '13 Lynch touches for Hare and Graham

Hare '14: 2,877 pass, 22 Td, 3 int
1,652 Rush, 15 Td.

Hare '15: 3,084 pass, 22 Td, 6 int
700 Rush, 3 Td

Graham '16: 2160 pass, 25 Td, 18 int
1241 Rush, 0 Td.

Pass/run ratios per game:

Harnish 28/14
Lynch. 29/21
Maddie. 32/15
Hare. 25/12

# of plays run per game by offense:

'12 - 73
'13 - 77
'14 - 77
'15 - 75
'16 - 79

Lynch's best traits were he was tough as hell and he didn't turn the ball over. Any QBs who can move, stay healthy, and not turn the ball over will put up stupid good numbers is this system.

If Maddie plays 12 games next year, I wouldn't be shocked if he won MAC MVP. That's a huge if though.

(01-19-2017 02:21 PM)7 Wrote:  Lynch's best traits were he was tough as hell and he didn't turn the ball over. Any QBs who can move, stay healthy, and not turn the ball over will put up stupid good numbers is this system.

If Maddie plays 12 games next year, I wouldn't be shocked if he won MAC MVP. That's a huge if though.

He is done isn't he?

(01-19-2017 02:21 PM)7 Wrote:  Lynch's best traits were he was tough as hell and he didn't turn the ball over. Any QBs who can move, stay healthy, and not turn the ball over will put up stupid good numbers is this system.

If Maddie plays 12 games next year, I wouldn't be shocked if he won MAC MVP. That's a huge if though.

You have to work at failing to not produce in this offense. I'm Not expecting miracles from Maddie if he does indeed play, but 2200 yds passing and 1200 rushing is doable for sure in 12 games. His running ability is crucial next season as we look for a new, true number 1 wr and also deal with an average O-line. His passing is suspect, but he only needs to be good enough to keep the D honest.

Also, Very curious to see the chemistry with old HS team mate Beebe if he too gets an extra medical year. That's still possible for Chad, right???? Both those are big ifs. Other wise it's Santa to Blake. That's too much uncertainty for me.

(01-19-2017 04:39 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 02:21 PM)7 Wrote:  Lynch's best traits were he was tough as hell and he didn't turn the ball over. Any QBs who can move, stay healthy, and not turn the ball over will put up stupid good numbers is this system.

If Maddie plays 12 games next year, I wouldn't be shocked if he won MAC MVP. That's a huge if though.

He is done isn't he?

From everything I've heard, I'll be shocked if he doesn't get a medical red shirt. I was told there was a "99.9" percent chance he'll be back.

(01-19-2017 04:48 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 02:21 PM)7 Wrote:  Lynch's best traits were he was tough as hell and he didn't turn the ball over. Any QBs who can move, stay healthy, and not turn the ball over will put up stupid good numbers is this system.

If Maddie plays 12 games next year, I wouldn't be shocked if he won MAC MVP. That's a huge if though.

You have to work at failing to not produce in this offense. I'm Not expecting miracles from Maddie if he does indeed play, but 2200 yds passing and 1200 rushing is doable for sure in 12 games. His running ability is crucial next season as we look for a new, true number 1 wr and also deal with an average O-line. His passing is suspect, but he only needs to be good enough to keep the D honest.

Also, Very curious to see the chemistry with old HS team mate Beebe if he too gets an extra medical year. That's still possible for Chad, right???? Both those are big ifs. Other wise it's Santa to Blake. That's too much uncertainty for me.

Beebe never took his regular redshirt and he didn't play a down last year, so he's back.

(01-19-2017 04:48 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 02:21 PM)7 Wrote:  Lynch's best traits were he was tough as hell and he didn't turn the ball over. Any QBs who can move, stay healthy, and not turn the ball over will put up stupid good numbers is this system.

If Maddie plays 12 games next year, I wouldn't be shocked if he won MAC MVP. That's a huge if though.

You have to work at failing to not produce in this offense. I'm Not expecting miracles from Maddie if he does indeed play, but 2200 yds passing and 1200 rushing is doable for sure in 12 games. His running ability is crucial next season as we look for a new, true number 1 wr and also deal with an average O-line. His passing is suspect, but he only needs to be good enough to keep the D honest.

Also, Very curious to see the chemistry with old HS team mate Beebe if he too gets an extra medical year. That's still possible for Chad, right???? Both those are big ifs. Other wise it's Santa to Blake. That's too much uncertainty for me.

The vast majority of us at this point last year would of said the same (too much uncertainty) of a scenario where Maddie was our QB. He turned out to be really effective. Players only get better by given the opportunity in game situations. We are clearly a better team with Maddie than any other QB, but Santa showed some true potential in limited time the last two games. His progress will unfortunately be slowed by Maddie's return. This is the only downside.

(01-19-2017 08:24 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 04:48 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 02:21 PM)7 Wrote:  Lynch's best traits were he was tough as hell and he didn't turn the ball over. Any QBs who can move, stay healthy, and not turn the ball over will put up stupid good numbers is this system.

If Maddie plays 12 games next year, I wouldn't be shocked if he won MAC MVP. That's a huge if though.

You have to work at failing to not produce in this offense. I'm Not expecting miracles from Maddie if he does indeed play, but 2200 yds passing and 1200 rushing is doable for sure in 12 games. His running ability is crucial next season as we look for a new, true number 1 wr and also deal with an average O-line. His passing is suspect, but he only needs to be good enough to keep the D honest.

Also, Very curious to see the chemistry with old HS team mate Beebe if he too gets an extra medical year. That's still possible for Chad, right???? Both those are big ifs. Other wise it's Santa to Blake. That's too much uncertainty for me.

The vast majority of us at this point last year would of said the same (too much uncertainty) of a scenario where Maddie was our QB. He turned out to be really effective. Players only get better by given the opportunity in game situations. We are clearly a better team with Maddie than any other QB, but Santa showed some true potential in limited time the last two games. His progress will unfortunately be slowed by Maddie's return. This is the only downside.

Knowing Maddie is a senior and injury prone, and also that Graham is emergency use only, I'd hope Santa gets as many garbage time game reps as possible. Maybe even alternate a few series here and there. But I'm thrilled Maddie MIGHT be here. I think it will bring confidence to the offense.