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(01-20-2017 03:09 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-20-2017 09:18 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  They should put the steroid guys in since we have very few confirmed users

They'll get in eventually. As time passes, this realization will sink in: PED users are already in the Hall of Fame.

Doesn't mean they should let in admitted PED users and those who are grandfathered in like those already in the HOF.
01-20-2017 07:29 PM
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(01-20-2017 07:29 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(01-20-2017 03:09 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-20-2017 09:18 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  They should put the steroid guys in since we have very few confirmed users

They'll get in eventually. As time passes, this realization will sink in: PED users are already in the Hall of Fame.

Doesn't mean they should let in admitted PED users and those who are grandfathered in like those already in the HOF.

I think after a few more years, the voters will shrug their shoulders and vote 'em in. We're not as naive now about PEDs as we were 20 years ago. We know that if someone wins the Tour de France 7 years in a row and all his closest competitors were caught or admitted dopers, he wasn't riding "clean". We know that when a power pitcher looks almost as dominant after age 40 as he did at 32, it's not just because he takes Advil and rides a stationary bike between starts.
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01-20-2017 10:31 PM
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I hear what you're saying but unless people admit to their crimes, then it's not fair to turn it into a witch hunt and lump them in with admitted users and those who are highly suspected of using via credible sources (i.e. not hearsay and guilt by association).
01-21-2017 04:00 AM
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The HOF doesn't have to name all the PED users who were lucky enough to not be busted. All the voters have to do is accept that the usage was/is sufficiently widespread that they've already put dopers in the Hall, and that being an uncaught doper is not more noble or righteous than being a caught doper.
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We can agree to disagree and honestly, who cares? If you're a dedicated enough fan, you'll figure out who the best players were of each era and the stories behind them, such as all we've heard about Ty Cobb. I never got the big deal about making the Hall of Fame so exclusive, it's supposed to be celebrating the history of the game of baseball, not be some snobby elitist social club. Voters need to step back and ask themselves what terms like "first ballot HoF" even means, why can't a player that went some All-Star games but was never really too, too great go? I know you don't want to lower the bar too low but geesh, the ideology is idiotic.
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http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/18577...ers-get-in

Quote:The way Hall of Famer Frank Thomas sees it, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens might as well be enshrined if players linked to performance-enhancing drugs are getting elected.

The Big Hurt, a longtime critic of players using PEDs, spoke out again during the Chicago White Sox's annual fan convention Saturday.

"They should be in now, as far as I'm concerned," Thomas said. "They've let a few people in already we all know. It's uncomfortable at this point. I'm sure this year's going to be uncomfortable because we've got two great players going in, but they know. It's no secret. If they didn't do it, they would be stomping and kicking and in interviews saying, 'I didn't do it.'"
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